HPV Vaccine. Girls only?

MadsL

In a recent interview Michael Douglas has just linked his throat cancer with oral sex.

HPV can cause cancer. The Centre for Disease Control estimates that about 12,000 HPV-associated cancers occur each year in men; oropharyngeal cancers are the most common.

Why is the Irish state only vaccinating girls?

Fr_Dougal

Because...oh look, a penny....

Raging_Ninja

Because men don't have a vagina.

If the girls dont get the human papilloma virus then they can't pass it on.

And Michael Douglas is not a doctor and I doubt he carried out a study.

Christ the Redeemer

Why would people ask Michael Douglas about this?

clairefontaine

MadsL wrote: »

In a recent interview Michael Douglas has just linked his throat cancer with oral sex.

HPV can cause cancer. The Centre for Disease Control estimates that about 12,000 HPV-associated cancers occur each year in men; oropharyngeal cancers are the most common.

Why is the Irish state only vaccinating girls?

Because they don't want to spend the money.

Seaneh

MadsL wrote: »

In a recent interview Michael Douglas has just linked his throat cancer with oral sex.

HPV can cause cancer. The Centre for Disease Control estimates that about 12,000 HPV-associated cancers occur each year in men; oropharyngeal cancers are the most common.

Why is the Irish state only vaccinating girls?

In fairness, this would equate to less than 200 cases in Ireland, if you did a direct per-capita comparison.

How many more cases are there of HPV-associated cancers in women per year? I'd wager you're talking factors of tens.


That said, it makes more sense to vaccinate everyone against stuff like this.

MadsL

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Because men don't have a vagina.

If the girls dont get the human papilloma virus then they can't pass it on.

Is a vagina necessary for throat cancer??

What if a man has oral sex with a woman who hasn't been vaccinated?

And Michael Douglas is not a doctor and I doubt he carried out a study.

High-profile example; he merely said that his cancer may have been caused by HPV. Jesus, read the article will ya?

MadsL

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

Why would people ask Michael Douglas about this?

No-one.

He's an example not the expert.

Gatling

He was/is a smoker also linked to throat cancer

Kevo

Seaneh wrote: »

In fairness, this would equate to less than 200 cases in Ireland, if you did a direct per-capita comparison.

How many more cases are there of HPV-associated cancers in women per year? I'd wager you're talking factors of tens.

I would have thought so too but I had a look at some stats from the US here. It's reasonable to assume that the percentages would be similar.

While there is a bigger benefit in vaccinating women (10,300 cases of cervical cancer attributable to HPV between 2004 and 2008), there still does seem to be a big, though lower, benefit to vaccinating men (8,400 cases of cancer of the oropharynx attributable to HPV between 2004 and 2008).

So yes, the number would be smaller but not that much smaller.

Edit:

it does seem that women have a greater overall risk if you include all types of HPV related cancers.

Seaneh

Kevo wrote: »

I would have thought so too but I had a look at some stats from the US here. It's reasonable to assume that the percentages would be similar.

While there is a bigger benefit in vaccinating women (10,300 cases of cervical cancer attributable to HPV between 2004 and 2008), there still does seem to be a big, though lower, benefit to vaccinating men (8,400 cases of cancer of the oropharynx attributable to HPV between 2004 and 2008).

So yes, the number would be smaller but not that much smaller.

Jesus, stunned it's only twice as high (and no even actually twice as high)!

Kevo

Seaneh wrote: »

Jesus, stunned it's only twice as high (and no even actually twice as high)!

Yeah, same here. Wasn't expecting to find that.

Michael Douglas did not say he developed throat cancer because of oral sex, according to his publicist.

The Hollywood actor was quoted as telling the Guardian that the strain of cancer he was diagnosed with had been caused by the sexually transmitted HPV (human papillomavirus).

But a statement from the 68-year-old’s publicist sought to clarify his remarks and said Douglas was not talking about his own cancer.

A statement from Allen Burry, obtained by the BBC said: “No. He [Douglas] did not say oral sex was the cause of his cancer."

though he also allegedly says eating pssuy cures it

MadsL

Gatling wrote: »

He was/is a smoker also linked to throat cancer

In fairness he is Micheal Douglas, so whilst he may have smoked 10-20 cigs a day, his actual exposure to women may have been much higher

MadsL

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Because men don't have a vagina.

Also a rather discriminatory comment. Men also give BJs.

Lyssa

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One strain implicated in this study (HPV-16) also is believed to contribute to 60% of oral cancers, 60% of cervical cancers, and 80% of anal cancers.

More Info: http://bbc.in/1b9q3wP

my 5 year old was having his vaccinations in school recently, and I was told, when the time comes for HPV vaccine (11-12) then the boys may be getting it then too, but for now, it's only the girls.

MadsL

Countries vaccinating boys: UK and Austria.

spurious

I asked the nurses about this when they were giving the vaccine to the girls in our school. They agreed with me that it should be both, but that it was a money thing.

If it's hetero sex spreading it in the main, you'd think they'd want to knock it on the head for both halves of the team.

MadsL

Mylina wrote: »

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More Info: http://bbc.in/1b9q3wP

my 5 year old was having his vaccinations in school recently, and I was told, when the time comes for HPV vaccine (11-12) then the boys may be getting it then too, but for now, it's only the girls.

Wouldn't parents insist?

MadsL

spurious wrote: »

I asked the nurses about this when they were giving the vaccine to the girls in our school. They agreed with me that it should be both, but that it was a money thing.

If it's hetero sex spreading it in the main, you'd think they'd want to knock it on the head for both halves of the team.

Where does that come from ???

If it can be spread through oral sex, then everyone has a tongue.

Lyssa

MadsL wrote: »

Wouldn't parents insist?

I will pay for it, if I have to when the time comes... I *think* it's between 600-1000 euro to have it atm...

Edit: 3 vaccines, over 6 months, at 200 euro each....
http://www.womenshealthclinic.ie/cervical-cancer-vaccination.html?gclid=CNX084qC-7gCFexF2wod2X0Asg

April O Neill

MadsL wrote: »

In a recent interview Michael Douglas has just linked his throat cancer with oral sex.

And this was roundly dismissed by experts.

spurious

MadsL wrote: »

Where does that come from ???

If it can be spread through oral sex, then everyone has a tongue.

Sorry, I meant more people tend to have hetero encounters than gay ones. Where they put it is another story.

spurious

spurious wrote: »

Sorry, I meant more people tend to have hetero encounters than gay ones. Where they put it is another story.

LOL

MadsL

April O Neill wrote: »

And this was roundly dismissed by experts.

Sorry, HPV does NOT cause throat cancer???

Source?

MadsL

Mylina wrote: »

I will pay for it, if I have to when the time comes... I *think* it's between 600-1000 euro to have it atm...

Edit: 3 vaccines, over 6 months, at 200 euro each....
http://www.womenshealthclinic.ie/cervical-cancer-vaccination.html?gclid=CNX084qC-7gCFexF2wod2X0Asg

Yes, it was a tough one to wait a year when my daughter was looking likely NOT to get it. We were not looking forward to the €1000 bill.

hfallada

Because its costs like €400 per person to vaccinate. If vaccinate girls that covers a majority of people they could possible catch it except for gay guys who could still get it. But then most gay guys gets free hep a&b vaccinates but that isn't given to the general public

shopaholic01

It should be given to both boys and girls.

Another issue I have is that doctors only recommend it for people who have not been sexually active. Because HPV is so common there are estimates that at least 6 out of every 10 sexually active people have had at least one form of HPV in their lifetime, most never know or develop symptoms. So, you may already have been exposed to at least 1 strain, but I still think it would be worthwhile having the vaccination. Condoms only provide limited protection too, because there is still skin on skin contact.

I know another poster has given stats linking HPV to other cancers, but I do remember reading a report that suggested it may also be linked to penile and prostate cancers.

Peregrine

Both genders should be vaccinated. It's been shown that certain HPV infections do increase the risk of throat cancer.

spurious wrote: »

Where they put it is another story.

MadsL

hfallada wrote: »

Because its costs like €400 per person to vaccinate. If vaccinate girls that covers a majority of people they could possible catch it except for gay guys who could still get it. But then most gay guys gets free hep a&b vaccinates but that isn't given to the general public

What? WHAT?

Gay men aren't worth bothering with? Bisexual men not worth bothering with?

And anyone can go to a Gay men's health centre - they don't test that you know all the words to YMCA and I will survive before you can get a Hep A&B vaccine y'know.

Lyssa

hfallada wrote: »

Because its costs like €400 per person to vaccinate. If vaccinate girls that covers a majority of people they could possible catch it except for gay guys who could still get it. But then most gay guys gets free hep a&b vaccinates but that isn't given to the general public

The cost of the vaccine is a drop in the bucket compared to cancer treatment, and the cost of a life.....