Raiders threaten to shoot 10 month old baby!

Sir Humphrey Appleby

It takes a special kind of utter scumbag to point a shotgun at a 10 month old baby and threaten to shoot her.
I hope these bástards are caught soon and I hope that the judge throws away the key on them!
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29469385.html

Fcuking animals

happyviolet

Oh my god.... :eek: How f**ked up would you have to be to even make a threat like that?!

Holyjebus

****, how terrifying, absolute scumbags. The poor parents!!
That's a different breed of f**cked up, hope they catch the evil f**ckers.

thebaz

horrible - the Guards will no doubt catch them , BUT my worry is will the judiciary be strong eneogh to sentence them accordingly - everyone deserves a fair trial , but sometimes , I think we have gone too far in being fair.

Lisha

I hope they catch them horrific ordeal for that family

bigneacy

Jesus Christ! What total animals. There's a special kind of scumbag in this world isn't there? Hope they are found and get what they deserve.

wendell borton

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

It takes a special kind of utter scumbag to point a shotgun at a 10 month old baby and threaten to shoot her.
I hope these bástards are caught soon and I hope that the judge throws away the key on them!
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29469385.html

Fcuking animals

Sure don't they come from deprived backgrounds and have drug dependency problems etc. they probably just need hug.:rolleyes:

chopser

See, I read that report and noted it's position on the Independent's website and thought the Independent has finally made the jump to becoming the Daily Mail.

Shelflife

thebaz wrote: »

horrible - the Guards will no doubt catch them , BUT my worry is will the judiciary be strong eneogh to sentence them accordingly - everyone deserves a fair trial , but sometimes , I think we have gone too far in being fair.

If there are caught, they will appear before the judge, give a terrible sob story about their awful upbringing and the judge will say -thats terrible, I know you have loads of previous convictions but i will give you 5 years each and Ill suspend the last two.

They will end up serving less then 2 years while the families that they have terrorised will be petrified in their own house for years after. They will lose sleep over every sound they hear out side and their hearts will leap into their mouths if someone comes to the door.

None of what was stolen will be returned to them.

The guards will carefully mind their manners in front of these scum incase god forbid any of THEIR civil rights are breached.

Judicary in this country are so far removed about what justice is that they are a joke.

They may well up hold the law, but they rarely dispense justice.

thebaz

chopser wrote: »

See, I read that report and noted it's position on the Independent's website and thought the Independent has finally made the jump to becoming the Daily Mail.

can you explain, I don't follow - are you saying it got too much exposure/position or too little - I don't follow

Pang

Absolutely sick, evil individuals. How you could even consider attempting this is beyond belief.

P_1

Animals. Nothing but sick animals.

No Pants

What a stupid thing to do. Like a baby could understand such a threat and comply.

Femme_Fatale

wendell borton wrote: »

Sure don't they come from deprived backgrounds and have drug dependency problems etc. they probably just need hug.:rolleyes:

... said nobody ever, apart from in the imaginations of some.

chopser wrote: »

See, I read that report and noted it's position on the Independent's website and thought the Independent has finally made the jump to becoming the Daily Mail.

What's Daily Mail about it? The Spindo is a rag, and not that different to the Fail, but it would be hard to tone down such an horrific story.

bucketybuck

I for one was shocked to hear that violent armed robbers were not nice people.

P_1

P_1 wrote: »

Animals. Nothing but sick animals.

Simply no comparison to the sadistic and barbaric nature of humans, compared to animals.

Femme_Fatale

bucketybuck wrote: »

I for one was shocked to hear that violent armed robbers were not nice people.

Putting the rifle to the baby's head is still shocking though.

anncoates

FumeRabblePCBrigadeFume

thebaz

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

What's Daily Mail about it? The Spindo is a rag, and not that different to the Fail, but it would be hard to tone down such an horrific story.

its not even the lead story in the Indo - they are leading with a fatal crash in Donegal - so I'm very confused.

Plug

Would love to castrate them all.

Cody Pomeray

anncoates wrote: »

FumeRabblePCBrigadeFume

A person pointed a gun in the face of a baby and threatened to shoot that baby.

I think that is a legitimate cause of anger. Can you explain to us what your PC Brigade reference is about?

I don't see how it's relevant.

bucketybuck

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Putting the rifle to the baby's head is still shocking though.

The baby catching hold of the barrel and swinging it hard enough to knock the raider out, now that would shock me.

Frank Lee Midere

thebaz wrote: »

its not even the lead story in the Indo - they are leading with a fatal crash in Donegal - so I'm very confused.

There is a class of left winger who sees guns pointed at babies and blame the anger on "right wing authoritarians" and we as a society. If they can blame the daily mail they do that.

minidazzler

I find it really strange that 3 of them had handguns. I'm gonna guess at least a few of them were airsoft pistols given, while you could get a handgun illegally here with the right connections, they'd be pretty expensive.

And if they were airsoft, the judge will let them off light because they're not real firearms..... never mind that the perceived threat is the exact same.

photofinish

No description of the raiders that is going to very useful is catching them.:rolleyes:

ScumLord

minidazzler wrote: »

And if they were airsoft, the judge will let them off light because they're not real firearms..... never mind that the perceived threat is the exact same.

As far as I know the law with regards using airsoft guns in crime is that it's dealt with as if they were carrying real guns. The effect on the victim is the same, they wouldn't know the gun is not real so if they use that as a defense it should be thrown out straight away.

Cody Pomeray

minidazzler wrote: »

I find it really strange that 3 of them had handguns. I'm gonna guess at least a few of them were airsoft pistols given, while you could get a handgun illegally here with the right connections, they'd be pretty expensive.

And if they were airsoft, the judge will let them off light

Even an air gun is considered a firearm for the purposes of aggravated burglary. The law does not dintinguish between types of firearms in that situation, and any person found guilty is liable to be convicted for life.

As an aside, even if it were an imitation firearm, i.e. a toy gun, it is also punishable with life imprisonment.

There's no reason to believe it was a toy, but I would agree that airsoft guns are not unlikely.

Christ the Redeemer

Scum, utter scum.

anncoates

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

A person pointed a gun in the face of a baby and threatened to shoot that baby.

So I gathered from reading the article.

Cody Pomeray

anncoates wrote: »

So I gathered from reading the article.

well done.

what has political correctness got to do with this article?

anncoates

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

well done.

what has political correctness got to do with this article?

Your tone reminds me of another poster.;)

PC Brigade is the kind of thing people that love these threads would say.

I mean what's the point of them? It's an awful thing to happen to the kid but its just about 100 pages of people saying the same thing.

And yes I know I don't have to read it etc.

StinkyMunkey

anncoates wrote: »

Your tone reminds me of another poster.;)

PC Brigade is the kind of thing people that love these threads would say.

I mean what's the point of them? It's an awful thing to happen to the kid but its just about 100 pages of people saying the same thing.

And yes I know I don't have to read it etc.

Your compassion fills my heart with warmth.

Cody Pomeray

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Even an air gun is considered a firearm for the purposes of aggravated burglary. The law does not dintinguish between types of firearms in that situation, and any person found guilty is liable to be convicted for life.

As an aside, even if it were an imitation firearm, i.e. a toy gun, it is also punishable with life imprisonment.

There's no reason to believe it was a toy, but I would agree that airsoft guns are not unlikely.

Is an airsoft gun a fake one that does nothing or does it shoot something harmless or what

wirehairmax

thebaz wrote: »

horrible - the Guards will no doubt catch them , BUT my worry is will the judiciary be strong eneogh to sentence them accordingly - everyone deserves a fair trial , but sometimes , I think we have gone too far in being fair.

The justice system in this country is a shambles. Judges are far too lenient on repeat offenders and Gardai are fed up and frustrated by the revolving door. These ****ers who terrorised this family didnt turn into animals overnight. They probably have years of criminal activity behind them.
Free legal aid is another cause for all this criminals being allowed to walk free sometimes without even being charged. I have no doubt from my own experience of being burgled that money and budgets are influencing the DPP when it comes to deciding whether to prosecute or not. FLA should be paid back to the state from dole payments for however long it takes. It's also a shame that there's so many spineless solicitors in this country who take these cases. In my mind they are every bit as bad as the scum who commit the crime. They might as well be part of the gangs as they are aiding and abetting these criminals and using the system to line their own pockets with essentially dirty money. A solicitor with a conscience is as rare as a hen with teeth.
I'd also like to see the "three strikes" rule brought in. Hard labour would also be a deterrent and I can't wait to see the super prison built although judges will pick on easy targets like tv licence and car tax to justify their existence and undeserved high salaries.

StinkyMunkey

bluewolf wrote: »

Is an airsoft gun a fake one that does nothing or does it shoot something harmless or what

Fires these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airsoft_pellets

Infini

Dont care what anyone else might think but trash like that threatening to shoot a 10 month old baby with a shotgun arent human anymore, theyre rabid animals and they should be put down for good without mercy like the animialistic scum that they are.

Geomy

anncoates wrote: »

Your tone reminds me of another poster.;)

PC Brigade is the kind of thing people that love these threads would say.

I mean what's the point of them? It's an awful thing to happen to the kid but its just about 100 pages of people saying the same thing.

And yes I know I don't have to read it etc.

I think what happened effects more than the kid.

Did you ever hear of the ripple effect?

I didn't have to read your comment, but was it was compelling to reply.

My name is URL

thebaz wrote: »

horrible - the Guards will no doubt catch them , BUT my worry is will the judiciary be strong eneogh to sentence them accordingly

It must be so disheartening for Gardai when absurdly lenient sentences are passed down. Look at how often you hear about guys with 80+ convictions being locked up after committing a particularly nasty crime.

How many of their man-hours must 80 successful convictions equate to.. only for the scrotes to be afforded leniency and understanding?

It pisses me off big time.. and I'm not saying that we should follow the mental & paranoid American '3 strikes' system, but a bit of common sense from our judiciary would be nice, though that would require common sense from politicians and the public too.. so not likely to ever happen.

crockholm

I fail to see how one could put a gun to an infant's head and threaten the babies life and be nonchalant or insouciant about it afterwards.At some point that thief will have to face his own actions,he may never be caught by the gardai,but he will know what he did,his accomplices know it too.

An action like that would surely eat away at a man.

Grayson

Infini2 wrote: »

Dont care what anyone else might think but trash like that threatening to shoot a 10 month old baby with a shotgun arent human anymore, theyre rabid animals and they should be put down for good without mercy like the animialistic scum that they are.

Devils advocate here, but does anyone actually believe that the guy had any intention of pulling the trigger? Because as nasty as pointing a toy guy, or even a real gun, at a baby is, it's nothing compared to actually killing a baby.

Assuming the safety was on, there's no difference between pointing a real gun and pointing a toy guy if there is absolutely no intention of pulling the trigger.

It's fcuking horrible beyond words for the parents. I can't even imagine what they're going through and it will probably take years to get over. But no-one was killed.

Although we have no way of knowing for certain, there's a HUGE difference between pointing a gun at a Baby and killing a baby so we can't assume one way or the other. Although this bit from the story implies that they were very violent but not killers since they did not follow through on threats "They told me to get down on my hands and knees and that they were going to blow my head off. One of them counted to three and then pulled me into the hallway and started beating me again."

I say lock em up for the maximum sentence for armed robbery and assault breaking and entry and whatever else they can be nicked for. That'll probably keep them away for a few decades.

Grayson

Geomy wrote: »

I think what happened effects more than the kid.

The baby is probably fast asleep right now and hasn't got a clue about what happened. The baby is probably the only person in the country who doesn't care. It's the parents who suffered in this.