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Redwater

  • 01-08-2013 4:18pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,316 ✭✭✭


    Had to give a blood transfusion to a cow today with redwater. She is on an outfarm and i didnt keep a close enough eye on them. My vet reckons its deadly weather for redwater at the moment. Good article about it in the journal this week.
    It is a lot easier to prevent it than cure it for sure. Normally use bayticol on the outfarm but didnt bother with it this year.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭KatyMac


    I spend about an hour standing in the middle of my heifers as they are on an awful outfarm for redwater. They are dosed with Bayticol every 3 weeks, even this year when I haven't seen any ticks yet. Almost never leave the field until I've seen them all pass water - time consuming nuisance, but necessary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,316 ✭✭✭tanko


    Surely if you are using bayticol every three weeks then they wont get redwater?
    I used it on the outfarm every year til now and never had a case of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,761 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    If you have one who is bad/weak, give them guinness, molasses, glycerine, glucose. I mixed them together and not sure if I added some water to it. I did this years ago with one who was very weak and she got better.
    They have a sweet tooth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    Of all years I didn't think it'd be bad for it, what with grass being ate to the butt during 'the drought of 2013'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭Bodacious


    KatyMac wrote: »
    I spend about an hour standing in the middle of my heifers as they are on an awful outfarm for redwater. They are dosed with Bayticol every 3 weeks, even this year when I haven't seen any ticks yet. Almost never leave the field until I've seen them all pass water - time consuming nuisance, but necessary.

    Hi Katy,

    Get Imizol bottle from your vet and give 1ml per 50kg under the skin and pour a nice glass of wine for yourself at home!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Marooned75


    Bayticol every 6 weeks best dose for it know its expense but it works the best of all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭redzerologhlen


    Bodacious wrote: »
    Hi Katy,

    Get Imizol bottle from your vet and give 1ml per 50kg under the skin and pour a nice glass of wine for yourself at home!

    Imizol all the way here. If you do them when the ticks are on them they are immune forever more. Not cheap though, I think it was 20 quid for the last shot I got for a 700kg bull. I wouldnt trust myself to remember to put the bayticol on them every 6 weeks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭KatyMac


    Can you only get Imizol from vet? I was trying to remember what it was called earlier this year and couldn't, so went with the Bayticol. Are they definitely immune for evermore? I wouldn't know what to do with myself if all were done and I didn't have to watch them like a hawk. About 3 years ago I was late with a dose of Bayticol and lost a 16month old heifer, so am a bit paranoid! She charged me in the field with no warning and then collapsed at my feet - have never been so scared. Vet said her brain was starved of blood and she didn't know what she was doing. Died as we were preparing a transfusion, And this was with me watching out for them!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭hugo29


    what age do cattle start to get susceptible at ,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭DanielGibbons


    RobertKK wrote: »
    If you have one who is bad/weak, give them guinness, molasses, glycerine, glucose. I mixed them together and not sure if I added some water to it. I did this years ago with one who was very weak and she got better.
    They have a sweet tooth.

    yeah same as. apparently guinness stout (the little bottles) does the best job


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭redzerologhlen


    hugo29 wrote: »
    what age do cattle start to get susceptible at ,

    Around here everything gets it as a calf and I doenst really bother them and they become immune after, I cant say at what age it becomes life threatning to them because we never had a case of it in my memory. Wont buy anything unless im sure they are out of a ''sound'' place.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭redzerologhlen


    KatyMac wrote: »
    Can you only get Imizol from vet? I was trying to remember what it was called earlier this year and couldn't, so went with the Bayticol. Are they definitely immune for evermore? I wouldn't know what to do with myself if all were done and I didn't have to watch them like a hawk. About 3 years ago I was late with a dose of Bayticol and lost a 16month old heifer, so am a bit paranoid! She charged me in the field with no warning and then collapsed at my feet - have never been so scared. Vet said her brain was starved of blood and she didn't know what she was doing. Died as we were preparing a transfusion, And this was with me watching out for them!

    They will become immune if you do them when the ticks are on them, they are normally to be found inside the front legs if they are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭Bodacious


    bought in a FR X JR to suckle a calf that cow kept putting bed out..

    Had her a month and no redwater

    gave her 10ml imizol as a preventative jab on july 26th thinking she'd have the ticks on her by now and get lifetime immunity

    4 weeks later she has redwater:confused:

    Just by chance I spotted her today, brought her in gave her jar of treacle, margarine, Guinness and six eggs down the hatch... got vet to send out 8ml of imizol tonight and she got that too.

    he told me to hold off on the salt as she is skittering away, she bright as a button and eating and drinking all ahead of her so im hoping the shot she got 4 weeks ago might help her to fight it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭ceannfort


    Keep bottling her with glucose and water every few hours to keep the toxins flushed out of her system.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭arais


    Bodacious wrote: »
    bought in a FR X JR to suckle a calf that cow kept putting bed out..

    Had her a month and no redwater

    gave her 10ml imizol as a preventative jab on july 26th thinking she'd have the ticks on her by now and get lifetime immunity

    4 weeks later she has redwater:confused:

    Just by chance I spotted her today, brought her in gave her jar of treacle, margarine, Guinness and six eggs down the hatch... got vet to send out 8ml of imizol tonight and she got that too.

    he told me to hold off on the salt as she is skittering away, she bright as a button and eating and drinking all ahead of her so im hoping the shot she got 4 weeks ago might help her to fight it


    she is in the early stages so,
    ,
    remember that it is usually the dry mourn that kills .. keep fluids into her and move with treacle/molasses/liquid parraffin if she begins to get bound up , hopefully the imizol will have given immunity and she will recover quickly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭redzerologhlen


    Bodacious wrote: »
    bought in a FR X JR to suckle a calf that cow kept putting bed out..

    Had her a month and no redwater

    gave her 10ml imizol as a preventative jab on july 26th thinking she'd have the ticks on her by now and get lifetime immunity

    4 weeks later she has redwater:confused:

    Just by chance I spotted her today, brought her in gave her jar of treacle, margarine, Guinness and six eggs down the hatch... got vet to send out 8ml of imizol tonight and she got that too.

    he told me to hold off on the salt as she is skittering away, she bright as a button and eating and drinking all ahead of her so im hoping the shot she got 4 weeks ago might help her to fight it

    Have an 8 year old cow that we bred ourselves here passing red water too this morning, what else can cause them to pass blood in their water? I very much doubt its the tick based redwater because we have never had it in cattle we raised ourselves, Our land is riddled with ticks and they become immune as calves. Shes bright eyed and bushy tailed, only happened to notice it because we had her in the crush for dosing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,316 ✭✭✭tanko


    Have an 8 year old cow that we bred ourselves here passing red water too this morning, what else can cause them to pass blood in their water? I very much doubt its the tick based redwater because we have never had it in cattle we raised ourselves, Our land is riddled with ticks and they become immune as calves. Shes bright eyed and bushy tailed, only happened to notice it because we had her in the crush for dosing.

    I had a ten year old cow like that once. She had some kind of kidney infection which didnt respond to whatever treatment she got. Sold her calf and sent her to the factory.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭redzerologhlen


    tanko wrote: »
    I had a ten year old cow like that once. She had some kind of kidney infection which didnt respond to whatever treatment she got. Sold her calf and sent her to the factory.

    I'll keep a close eye on her for a few days before I do anything, stunned me a bit when I saw it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭Bodacious


    she got 9ml of imizol under the skin lastnight and vet reckoned she be right by today.

    I ran here up the crush and gave her full of lifeline bucket of treacle warm water and Guinness in a 200ml dosing gun... holding her and dosing on your own is a balls!!

    But she is clear, she walked out and pissed clear as a bell... don't stand behind her though as she will destroy you.. I must have got her early:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭KatyMac


    Glad to hear she is on the recovery route. I hate to see a beast with it. I've been fighting a battle with it for what seems like forever!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭KatyMac


    A heifer calved last night, calf was stuck for a while, but was taken without any mad pulling. Today the heifer is passing water that is red> I don't know if she has redwater or just red water! She is bright in herself, eating, passing dung. I've got guinness, glucose for her. Her calf died, unfortunately. It's the first death I've had in 3 years, so I suppose my luck couldn't last forever.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭Bodacious


    KatyMac wrote: »
    A heifer calved last night, calf was stuck for a while, but was taken without any mad pulling. Today the heifer is passing water that is red> I don't know if she has redwater or just red water! She is bright in herself, eating, passing dung. I've got guinness, glucose for her. Her calf died, unfortunately. It's the first death I've had in 3 years, so I suppose my luck couldn't last forever.


    hi katy,

    sorry to hear about your loss, I wouldn't take too much notice of bloody bits/ discharge in urine one day post calving, keep an eye on her but it's unlikely


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭KatyMac


    Bodacious wrote: »
    hi katy,

    sorry to hear about your loss, I wouldn't take too much notice of bloody bits/ discharge in urine one day post calving, keep an eye on her but it's unlikely
    Thanks Bodacious! She's in shed with a plenty to eat and drink and doesn't seem sick, so I'm hoping. I'll get vet tomorrow if there isn't any clear up - it will make me feel happier even if she doesn't need it!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭SomethingElse


    KatyMac wrote: »
    Thanks Bodacious! She's in shed with a plenty to eat and drink and doesn't seem sick, so I'm hoping. I'll get vet tomorrow if there isn't any clear up - it will make me feel happier even if she doesn't need it!!!

    Better to be safe than sorry!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭KatyMac


    Vet came and you've never seen a healthier looking animal! Urine still red though. No temperature, no obvious infection, no signs of trauma at her rear end. He gave her (I think) phospous (bad spelling!) and told me to give her more beer!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭kingdom fan


    I stopped using Imizol this year as the retention period is massive for meat, I think it's bout 200 days, im using Ivomec super every 6 weeks or so but I think it's not a bad year for red water as I have a pure bog with 6 cows on it and no ticks, cattle are usually infested with ticks but not this year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭KatyMac


    I stopped using Imizol this year as the retention period is massive for meat, I think it's bout 200 days, im using Ivomec super every 6 weeks or so but I think it's not a bad year for red water as I have a pure bog with 6 cows on it and no ticks, cattle are usually infested with ticks but not this year

    My vet said that. he reacons it must be something to do with use of pour ons, lime, fert and weather. i've noticed less ticks on my clothes this year as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,316 ✭✭✭tanko


    I'm planning to move some yearlings to the outfarm where redwater can be a problem. How long before i move them would i need to have put Bayticol on them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭I said


    tanko wrote: »
    I'm planning to move some yearlings to the outfarm where redwater can be a problem. How long before i move them would i need to have put Bayticol on them?

    Bayticol is the only job apply and move them it's effective straight away.always use it for first dose and then spot on every six weeks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,316 ✭✭✭tanko


    I said wrote: »
    Bayticol is the only job apply and move them it's effective straight away.always use it for first dose and then spot on every six weeks.

    I didn't know that spot on prevented red water, I suppose it's a fair bit cheaper than Bayticol?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭I said


    tanko wrote: »
    I didn't know that spot on prevented red water, I suppose it's a fair bit cheaper than Bayticol?

    Poron sp


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭poor farmer


    I have a good fr cow that is rearing calves with redwater this evening.
    She was a bit dull/empty looking this morning and I wasn't sure what was up but spent a bit of time with her this eve and low and behold .
    I never saw it on this farm before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,301 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I said wrote: »
    Bayticol is the only job apply and move them it's effective straight away.always use it for first dose and then spot on every six weeks.

    How much Bayticol would do 8 yearlings , and can it be got in quantities less than 1 l if i dont need that much ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭I said


    cjmc wrote: »
    How much Bayticol would do 8 yearlings , and can it be got in quantities less than 1 l if i dont need that much ?

    Only ever got 1lt don't think it can be got in smaller sizes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,301 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I said wrote: »
    Only ever got 1lt don't think it can be got in smaller sizes

    Is it an injecrion or pour- on ?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭I said


    cjmc wrote: »
    Is it an injecrion or pour- on ?

    Pour on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭roosky


    Marooned75 wrote:
    Bayticol every 6 weeks best dose for it know its expense but it works the best of all.


    I thought baytocol only lasted 2 weeks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭epfff


    Get imozal injection from your vet
    More expensive but still better value


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,316 ✭✭✭tanko


    epfff wrote: »
    Get imozal injection from your vet
    More expensive but still better value

    Do you use it to prevent Red water, like a vaccination?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭I said


    tanko wrote: »
    Do you use it to prevent Red water, like a vaccination?

    213meat withdrawal period for the injection


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,316 ✭✭✭tanko


    I said wrote: »
    213meat withdrawal period for the injection

    True, that's the big down side to it but it's a super cure if given early enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 734 ✭✭✭longgonesilver


    As far as I know it is the only cure. You have a choice between the dead lorry or the injection, and if the animal is not two far gone it will work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭poor farmer


    I have a good fr cow that is rearing calves with redwater this evening.
    She was a bit dull/empty looking this morning and I wasn't sure what was up but spent a bit of time with her this eve and low and behold .
    I never saw it on this farm before.

    Update; Got 10 ml imizol of the vet, gave it to her yesterday eve also dosed 1litre
    liquid parafin. Still quite dull this am gave 3 tins treacle .
    I think she's on the mend this evening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭Rushy Fields


    Just wondering.... do i us baytocol on 2yr old heifers that were on the same piece of ground last summer orhave they immunety? can i use spot on as a general cover?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,316 ✭✭✭tanko


    nealger wrote: »
    Just wondering.... do i us baytocol on 2yr old heifers that were on the same piece of ground last summer orhave they immunety? can i use spot on as a general cover?

    If it's not the same ground they were on for their first year i wouldn't assume they have immunity. Cattle need to be on redwater prone ground when theyre calves to get immunity i think. I know it's expensive but I'd use the Bayticol again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,719 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    yeah same as. apparently guinness stout (the little bottles) does the best job

    Ahh lads the whole Guinness being good was a mistake, then the iron content was measured years ago some knob recorded it with the decimal place wrong giving the impression that there was ten times the amount of iron in Guinness than there actually is. This spurred a whole "Guinness is good for you" campaign, you'll notice that they don't claim this any more nor have they for about 25 years.

    It seems engrained in the Irish that there is some magical strength gaining property to Guinness when in fact you may as well be giving the cow pints of Carlsberg.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭RD10


    Bought 10 replacement heifers at the back end of last year. One heifer with redwater last night. Seemed to have Caught her early according to vet. Just by chance i was standing behind her wen she urinated. I wouldnt have seen her otherwise.
    How long before they go downhill with it? fairly quickly i'd imagine?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,125 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    You know the day that you are in a rush and only quickly count the cattle. That's the day that you will miss redwater.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,316 ✭✭✭tanko


    Didn't spot one for a few days, she was cold to touch and starting to get unsteady on her feet. Had to give her a blood transfusion from another cow and she recovered thankfully.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭massey woman


    Do any of you just get the cure
    Round here thats the solution
    Nationally there are several people with the "Cure of the Bleed" afaik


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