Manning found guilty in 20 of 21 charges

20Cent

George Bush lied the US into war and got a second term.
The person who told the truth has been found guilty and could face 130 odd years. Not guilty of aiding the enemy though.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23506213
Pte Manning, 25, has been found guilty of 20 charges in total, including theft and computer fraud.

He had acknowledged leaking the documents to anti-secrecy organisation Wikileaks but said he did so to spark a debate on US foreign policy.

He faces a maximum sentence up to 136 years. His sentencing hearing is set to begin on Wednesday.

In addition to multiple espionage counts, he was also found guilty of five theft charges, two computer fraud charges and multiple military infractions.

The soldiers involved in this murder no action taken.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

Wacker The Attacker

And they say you should never question authority?

What an idiotic place America has become.

joe swanson

Justice. He broke the law and now will face the consequences. He knew the risks of his actions.

Wacker The Attacker

Deleted User wrote: »

What an idiotic place America has become.

This isn't unique to the U.S

tritium

joe swanson wrote: »

Justice. He broke the law and now will face the consequences. He knew the risks of his actions.

I wish there was an unthank button right now

20Cent

joe swanson wrote: »

Justice. He broke the law and now will face the consequences. He knew the risks of his actions.

So did Rosa Parks.

Sh1tbag OToole

joe swanson wrote: »

Justice. He broke the law and now will face the consequences. He knew the risks of his actions.

I hope to the good Lord that you are just trolling because it wouldnt be nice to think that there are people outside of Republican die-hard territory who see this as a good thing

OhHiMark

joe swanson wrote: »

Justice. He broke the law and now will face the consequences. He knew the risks of his actions.

Do you always blindly accept every law? I'm not passing comment on this case, but from the way you say that it sounds like you think any law that has been passed should be followed without question.

lkionm

To be fair he did break the law and all that stuff.

The government are hardly gonna give him a pat on the back and a high 5, they will probably just update their security and stuff so it will make I harder or this to happen

My name is URL

joe swanson wrote: »

Justice. He broke the law and now will face the consequences. He knew the risks of his actions.

Yeah.. because every single law in the history of man has been just and worthy of obligation.

You are right though.. he knowingly broke the law and will pay for it. Only fools would say that it's proper justice however.

lkionm

lkionm wrote: »

To be fair he did break the law and all that stuff.

The government are hardly gonna give him a pat on the back and a high 5, they will probably just update their security and stuff so it will make I harder or this to happen

If only he was the government, he could set up his own rules, to do whatever he wanted.

Smiles35

A lot of time ahead of him for a lot of embassy gossip.

karma_

Obama should immediately pardon him. Although, being the massive disappointment that he is I just can't see that happening.

fibonaccii

It was going to happen, to be made an example of, dont think many us soldiers will be releasing anymore info

mikeoneill893

he's in the army

he can't can't just leak whatever the fubar he want's

thats the system

MonaPizza

joe swanson wrote: »

Justice. He broke the law and now will face the consequences. He knew the risks of his actions.

What law did he break? The uniform code of military justice compels a soldier to expose criminality, war crimes and malfeasance as does the Nuremberg charter and the Geneva protocols which the us constitution states are the supreme law of the land. You can bury your head anywhere you want because you wouldn't ever have the balls to stand alone one principle and face death for your bravery. Manning is a man of galactic courage and integrity. You on the contrary aren't fit to shine his shoes.

bumper234

mikeoneill893 wrote: »

he's in the army

he can't can't just leak whatever the fubar he want's

thats the system

Thank god he is not as forward thinking as you then:rolleyes:

Zebra3

Manning exposed war crimes and gets jail.

Obama and Bush commit war crimes and human rights abuses and walk free.

Amirani

karma_ wrote: »

Obama should immediately pardon him. Although, being the massive disappointment that he is I just can't see that happening.

He's far more than a disappointment I'm afraid. He's active and complicit in numerous wrongdoings of the U.S. Federal Government.

c_man

Obama's America.

Chinaman666

Jesus Christ what a banana republic the US has become. A soldier did a service for people in every corner of the world and none of the journalists who have a bit of clout (and earn a lot of money) actually give any meaningful analysis of the facts. The scandal is not Manning releasing the information. The scandal proper is all documented in what was leaked.

MonaPizza

mikeoneill893 wrote: »

he's in the army

he can't can't just leak whatever the fubar he want's

thats the system

so if you were in the us army, an army where 1 in 3 females are raped or sexually assaulted, you wouldn't report these crimes. What a silver code of honour you live your life by.

Amirani

mikeoneill893 wrote: »

he's in the army

he can't can't just leak whatever the fubar he want's

thats the system

I suppose you feel the same about every Nazi below Hitler? Just following the rules they signed up for.

mikeoneill893

MonaPizza wrote: »

so if you were in the us army, an army where 1 in 3 females are raped or sexually assaulted, you wouldn't report these crimes. What a silver code of honour you live your life by.

ya i'd report rape


didn' he leak info


in the army you do what you're told

mikeoneill893

mikeoneill893 wrote: »

he's in the army

he can't can't just leak whatever the fubar he want's

thats the system

Ah!, the good ole 'National security' gimmick.

bumper234

mikeoneill893 wrote: »

ya i'd report rape


didn' he leak info


in the army you do what you're told

Your Sergeant says "Go and shoot that group of 5 year olds and then rape their mothers"

Do you do it?

mikeoneill893

of course AH is gonna back manning cos he done the right thing

but that's not realpolitik

mikeoneill893

mikeoneill893 wrote: »

ya i'd report rape


didn' he leak info


in the army you do what you're told

So when the army invade Vietnam, or Iraq, that's OK, because it's the army?

bumper234

mikeoneill893 wrote: »

of course AH is gonna back manning cos he done the right thing

but that's not realpolitik

Yeah, The fact that a very large % of the civilised world think he did the right thing kinda slips the minds of most Americans. If Manning or Snowdon had been from Russia, China, Iran North Korea the American government would have been shouting from the rooftops about how these brave heroes where just trying to let the world know about the despotic things that their governments had done.

mikeoneill893

Deleted User wrote: »

So when the army invade Vietnam, or Iraq, that's OK, because it's the army?

yes
you gotta fight if you in the army




if you ordered to kill some kids and rape their mommas that's different
-you should refuse


pretty sure you not allowed to leak info


it's called rules

Sand

MonaPizza wrote: »

so if you were in the us army, an army where 1 in 3 females are raped or sexually assaulted, you wouldn't report these crimes. What a silver code of honour you live your life by.

That just doesn't make any sense. At all.

As for Manning, he was never going to be found innocent, other than by some politically biased court. He freely admitted he took the information, that he knew was restricted and he just dumped it out without any concern or care for the impact it could have on anyone else. The only point up for discussion was if he did so "to aid the enemy".

It doesn't appear he did - he was simply an extremely troubled individual with a lot of personal issues that he needed to work through and the release of the information was a way for him to simultaneously feel powerful and also to get one over on the institution he was deeply unhappy working in. It is unclear why the U.S. Army maintained his security clearance and access to this information whilst he was quite clearly having a major breakdown. But the judgement essentially was fair.

Unfortunately for Manning neither the U.S. Army nor any serious US politician are ever going to condone "Feck it - here's access to secret information, feel free to download it and leak in bulk if you want. No hassle"

Amirani

mikeoneill893 wrote: »

if you ordered to kill some kids and rape their mommas that's different
-you should refuse

pretty sure you not allowed to leak info

it's called rules

I'm glad you consider that different. Where does the ethics based decision making stop though? If everyone else in the army was killing kids and raping their mothers, would you "leak" it or would you just stand by and watch, proud of the fact that it's not you doing it?

Every soldier in the U.S. Army who has witnessed the casual murder and maltreatment of Iraqi and Afghan citizens and has ignored it should feel just as guilty as those committing the crimes. They have innocent blood on their hands.

bumper234

mikeoneill893 wrote: »

yes
you gotta fight if you in the army




if you ordered to kill some kids and rape their mommas that's different
-you should refuse


pretty sure you not allowed to leak info


it's called rules

But you said

mikeoneill893 wrote: »

ya i'd report rape


didn' he leak info


in the army you do what you're told

So you can break one rule but not another?

Manning saw laws being broken and he reported them. Is this not encouraged in American army?

This is why the likes of Mai Lai was covered up for a long time

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/lai/up_7.html

Clandestine

You could have prevented this America

Ron Paul

mikeoneill893

bumper234 wrote: »

But you said



So you can break one rule but not another?

Manning saw laws being broken and he reported them. Is this not encouraged in American army?

This is why the likes of Mai Lai was covered up for a long time

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/lai/up_7.html

yes

you can refuse to kill kids and rape their mommas


get real


you're just being pedantic

Zebra3

Never even had a chance of a fair trial with Obama the child killer declaring him guilty long before the trial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KNz0eQgJS8

bumper234

mikeoneill893 wrote: »

yes

you can refuse to kill kids and rape their mommas


get real


you're just being pedantic

This is one of the things Manning leaked

http://www.policymic.com/articles/57263/collateral-murder-shooters-who-bradley-manning-exposed-go-free-while-he-goes-to-prison

The video shows the gunners shooting into a van that has KIDS in it, The gunners are free today while Manning is in prison. You think this is right?

Amirani

Sand wrote: »

But the judgement essentially was fair.

Legally yes, but morally no. Perhaps the fact that he shared so much information was reckless, but the exposure of war crimes should never be a crime, I'd suggest the opposite should be the case.

I'd like the see the laws in the area changed and some retrospective easing of his sentencing. I'm not against him spending some time in prison for his recklessness, but a potential 136 years is complete and utter bull****.

Amirani

mikeoneill893 wrote: »

yes

you can refuse to kill kids and rape their mommas


get real


you're just being pedantic

What about reporting fellow soldiers for doing it. Is that okay?

bumper234

bumper234 wrote: »

You think this is right?

Dems da Armee rulez!

bumper234

mikeoneill893 wrote: »

yes

you can refuse to kill kids and rape their mommas


get real


you're just being pedantic

So you would have kept something like Mai Lai a secret?

Sand

NiallSparky wrote: »

I'm glad you consider that different. Where does the ethics based decision making stop though? If everyone else in the army was killing kids and raping their mothers, would you "leak" it or would you just stand by and watch, proud of the fact that it's not you doing it?

Every soldier in the U.S. Army who has witnessed the casual murder and maltreatment of Iraqi and Afghan citizens and has ignored it should feel just as guilty as those committing the crimes. They have innocent blood on their hands.

It doesn't appear Manning was motivated by any particular incident of murder or maltreatment of individuals. If there was some particular case where Manning was the whistleblower, then there might be some moral argument for what Manning did. Might.

But he essentially just grabbed everything he could and dumped it out there, presuming "something" must be found. The diplomatic wires were essentially boring - apart from some embarrassing gossip about foreign dignitaries there was no behind the scenes secret conspiracy revealed. The same goes for the Afghan and Iraq: essentially nothing revealed that wasn't known already - except for the names of Afghans who assisted the Americans. I'm sure the Taliban appreciated Manning's help there. The Afghans themselves, probably not so much.

People are claiming Manning was some sort of heroic whistle-blower but apart from giving the papers fodder for a couple of weeks, nothing has resulted from it. Precisely because it didn't reveal any provable crimes, conspiracies or coverups that weren't already reported and under investigation.

Drakares

Land of the Free. This is one of many many reasons I wouldn't go on holidays to the States. Kip.

Amirani

Sand wrote: »

People are claiming Manning was some sort of heroic whistle-blower but apart from giving the papers fodder for a couple of weeks, nothing has resulted from it. Precisely because it didn't reveal any provable crimes, conspiracies or coverups that weren't already reported and under investigation.

This was a crime, and it was covered up. It may have been following the "rules of engagement", but if nobody has legally committed war crimes here then there's something seriously ****ed up with the system.

Exposing this to the World is a good thing, there's no denying that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

bumper234

Sand wrote: »

It doesn't appear Manning was motivated by any particular incident of murder or maltreatment of individuals. If there was some particular case where Manning was the whistleblower, then there might be some moral argument for what Manning did. Might.

But he essentially just grabbed everything he could and dumped it out there, presuming "something" must be found. The diplomatic wires were essentially boring - apart from some embarrassing gossip about foreign dignitaries there was no behind the scenes secret conspiracy revealed. The same goes for the Afghan and Iraq: essentially nothing revealed that wasn't known already - except for the names of Afghans who assisted the Americans. I'm sure the Taliban appreciated Manning's help there. The Afghans themselves, probably not so much.

People are claiming Manning was some sort of heroic whistle-blower but apart from giving the papers fodder for a couple of weeks, nothing has resulted from it. Precisely because it didn't reveal any provable crimes, conspiracies or coverups that weren't already reported and under investigation.

Really?

The video is called collateral murder try watch right to the end where they take the kids out of the van

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

Femme_Fatale

MonaPizza wrote: »

the us army, an army where 1 in 3 females are raped or sexually assaulted

One in three female US soldiers are raped or sexually assaulted by whom?

Zebra3

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

One in three female US soldiers are raped or sexually assaulted by whom?

Their male counterparts.

MonaPizza

mikeoneill893 wrote: »

ya i'd report rape


didn' he leak info


in the army you do what you're told

In the army you DON'T do what you're told. The UCMJ permits in fact obliges any soldier, airman or mariner to refuse to obey an order that he or she deems to be illegal or morally reprehensible. Maybe you're thinking of the mafia or a prison gang. But then again the suits and career thugs in bespoke shirts who are running the military these days don't differ much. Manning's only crime, like Snowden's or Joseph wilson's was that he caused embarrassment, and exposed criminality and they tried to destroy him as a warning to others who might strap on a pair and hold the executive branch and their bouncers in the military accountable for illegal activity. You want America to be shining light on bloody hill, a force for "good" in the world then man up and hold a standard or else just admit that the rules and laws don't apply. At least you'd earn some respect for being an honest criminal and not a hypocritical liar.

willmunny1990

Zebra3 wrote: »

Their male counterparts.

Source?

Femme_Fatale

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Source?

Yeh I'm finding that highly questionable. And I'm certainly not someone who wouldn't take rape/sexual assault seriously.