The penny has finally dropped

Trhiggy83

I have been unemployed now for nearly 18 months at this stage. Money is very tight but i cant seem to find a job in the areas i'm qualified but im really gone to the stage now where im living week to week on the dole and cant afford any luxuries at all which is fair enough i suppose in the circumstances.

I see lots of friends around me who are currently working and they take money for granted (as i did a few years back) as they have a steady weekly wage comin in.My current stint of unemployment has not been nice but it has thought me well on how to survive on a very low budget. This can only be a good thing, as when i return to work i will appreciate the income i get more in future.

Naturally i know money makes life a bit more comfortable but i know im not going to starve in the morning but i will miss out on the luxuries that go with working.

I see people being controlled by money everyday, am i naive to think that i will be happier with more money coming in, as im not convinced. Although life isnt easy at the moment and i am living week to week, i know that i can survive which is reassuring. Some people automatically assume money = happiness but im not too sure. Im happy at the moment but bored because i have nothing to do during the week. I have tried to keep myself busy doing other things but there is only so much you can do before you realise that without a job your options are very limited.

I have retrained myself in the last 18 months to get into another sector as backup considering the way the construction sector is gone but im not sure i like the way this country is heading with all the stealth taxes. They seem to be taxing the middle income family disproportionately and i cant see the attraction of joining the rat race again in ireland so that i can pay disproportionate tax to a corrupt government. This country is corrupt to the core and i try to avoid paying any taxes that i dont agree with (especially the ones that are invented). I did not initially realise why so many people were emigrating but now i have finally realised that the government is screwing everyone they can and the best option is to leave.

Its sad but it has taken me 18 months to realise this and if i want to make a decent wage after tax, then ireland doesnt seem to be the right place.

I paid my tax for the last 9 years before i was made redundant so i think i have paid enough to justify my current stint on the dole. Like me there are thousands of others in the same situation, who with a bit of cop on realise that Ireland sadly is not where you want to live your life in the future.

The Backwards Man

You're rambling a bit there, you say money isn't everything, then you Ireland is a rubbish place to live.

Which is it?

I like money

Gongoozler

Ireland can be a good place to make money, but unfortunately you need to be good at something, know the right people or be lucky.

Jester252

Money is the best. Name anything else that feeds you, keeps you warm and allows you to have fun.

Andersonisgod

bluewolf wrote: »

I like money

Capitalist swine

harvester of sorrow

I like cake.

michael999999

Trhiggy83 wrote: »

I have been unemployed now for nearly 18 months at this stage. Money is very tight but i cant seem to find a job in the areas i'm qualified but im really gone to the stage now where im living week to week on the dole and cant afford any luxuries at all which is fair enough i suppose in the circumstances.

I see lots of friends around me who are currently working and they take money for granted (as i did a few years back) as they have a steady weekly wage comin in.My current stint of unemployment has not been nice but it has thought me well on how to survive on a very low budget. This can only be a good thing, as when i return to work i will appreciate the income i get more in future.

Naturally i know money makes life a bit more comfortable but i know im not going to starve in the morning but i will miss out on the luxuries that go with working.

I see people being controlled by money everyday, am i naive to think that i will be happier with more money coming in, as im not convinced. Although life isnt easy at the moment and i am living week to week, i know that i can survive which is reassuring. Some people automatically assume money = happiness but im not too sure. Im happy at the moment but bored because i have nothing to do during the week. I have tried to keep myself busy doing other things but there is only so much you can do before you realise that without a job your options are very limited.

I have retrained myself in the last 18 months to get into another sector as backup considering the way the construction sector is gone but im not sure i like the way this country is heading with all the stealth taxes. They seem to be taxing the middle income family disproportionately and i cant see the attraction of joining the rat race again in ireland so that i can pay disproportionate tax to a corrupt government. This country is corrupt to the core and i try to avoid paying any taxes that i dont agree with (especially the ones that are invented). I did not initially realise why so many people were emigrating but now i have finally realised that the government is screwing everyone they can and the best option is to leave.

Its sad but it has taken me 18 months to realise this and if i want to make a decent wage after tax, then ireland doesnt seem to be the right place.

I paid my tax for the last 9 years before i was made redundant so i think i have paid enough to justify my current stint on the dole. Like me there are thousands of others in the same situation, who with a bit of cop on realise that Ireland sadly is not where you want to live your life in the future.

Maybe you should look outside your chosen field of work, after 18 months maybe there is no work in that field. Or are you one of those people that sit on the dole because they believe it is below them to work in the local spar or MC Donald's.

As regards corruption in the country, didyou ever vote for fianna fail?

endacl

Jester252 wrote: »

Money is the best. Name anything else that feeds you, keeps you warm and allows you to have fun.

A parent?!?

Gone Drinking

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Frosty McSnowballs

I save my pennies

Duckworth_Luas

Stop dropping your pennies OP and you'd have more money

As Luciano Pavarotti once told me, "Save the pennies and the pounds will save themselves"

Sparks43

Find an area you are interested in and head to FAS/Local College and see what they have to offer.

You should be entitled to 2 years of VTOS and an extra 20 quid a week plus lunch and travel.

Been unemployed myself last 2 years but ive spent it studying IT and i am loving it.

Sir Osis of Liver.

You have a very negative view of this fine country.
Go if your going then and turn off the lights on your way out.

mikeoneill893

i thought ireland was low tax compared to europe average

according to the expsperts

Trhiggy83

The Backwards Man wrote: »

You're rambling a bit there, you say money isn't everything, then you Ireland is a rubbish place to live.

Which is it?

Bit of a ramble alright, after 18 months of the dole you will get that :P

Trhiggy83

harvester of sorrow wrote: »

I like cake.

so do i by the way, only on special occasions though

kneemos

The Backwards Man wrote: »

You're rambling a bit there, you say money isn't everything, then you Ireland is a rubbish place to live.

Which is it?

He was waiting for the penny to drop.

Artful_Badger

Trhiggy83 wrote: »

This can only be a good thing, as when i return to work i will appreciate the income i get more in future.

Yeah for about a month until you adjust your lifestyle to fit your income. No matter how much you have coming in you will always adjust the outgoings to keep yourself broke.

Trhiggy83

michael999999 wrote: »

Maybe you should look outside your chosen field of work, after 18 months maybe there is no work in that field. Or are you one of those people that sit on the dole because they believe it is below them to work in the local spar or MC Donald's.

As regards corruption in the country, didyou ever vote for fianna fail?

No never voted for FF, sadly i voted FG this time around be we all make mistakes.

Its not below me to work in mcdonalds or spar, i just dont want to work there. I have worked hard to get the experience i have got so would prefer to use it if possible. As a good man said to me last year year, its the country that is broke not you.

daddyorchips

Jester252 wrote: »

Money is the best. Name anything else that feeds you, keeps you warm and allows you to have fun.

Sheep

Jester252

endacl wrote: »

A parent?!?

And how to they get the food, fuel and fun?

Trhiggy83

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Yeah for about a month until you adjust your lifestyle to fit your income. No matter how much you have coming in you will always adjust the outgoings to keep yourself broke.

I think your right, will probably appreciate it a bit more though....serious reality check for me. A celtic tiger baby :P

Jester252

daddyorchips wrote: »

Sheep

Guess your from Kerry if you have fun with a sheep.

Samuri Suicide

OP, a very honest post.

What you wrote is affecting more people than anyone here will admit or know.

Trhiggy83

kneemos wrote: »

He was waiting for the penny to drop.

i was building up to it....nothin like a good intro to confuse AH

Gongoozler

harvester of sorrow wrote: »

I like cake.

You're not strobe! STOP PRETENDING TO BE STROBE!

endacl

kneemos wrote: »

He was waiting for the penny to drop.

That 'trickle down' thing is supposed to happen one penny at a time?!?

We don't even have pennies any more!!!

Trhiggy83

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Stop dropping your pennies OP and you'd have more money

As Luciano Pavarotti once told me, "Save the pennies and the pounds will save themselves"

If i had a penny for every time i heard that id be a millionaire

michael999999

Trhiggy83 wrote: »

No never voted for FF, sadly i voted FG this time around be we all make mistakes.

Its not below me to work in mcdonalds or spar, i just dont want to work there. I have worked hard to get the experience i have got so would prefer to use it if possible. As a good man said to me last year year, its the country that is broke not you.

Well stop complaining then, you can't have your cake and eat it!

Get a job in your local shop and apply for better jobs. The country owes you nothing, just because your qualified or have a degree in something doesn't entitle you to a job!

suicide_circus

Money, get back.
I'm all right Jack keep your hands off of my stack.
Money, it's a hit.
Don't give me that do goody good bull****.
I'm in the high-fidelity first class traveling set 
And I think I need a Lear jet.

Trhiggy83

Samuri Suicide wrote: »

OP, a very honest post.

What you wrote is affecting more people than anyone here will admit or know.

Bit of a ramble, have learnt a few lessons about myself and about others along the way too. Plenty of good people in this country but also plenty of bad.

An awful lot of people in my position and i actually consider myself lucky as i a can go abroad for work if needs must.

Trhiggy83

suicide_circus wrote: »

Money, get back.
I'm all right Jack keep your hands off of my stack.
Money, it's a hit.
Don't give me that do goody good bull****.
I'm in the high-fidelity first class traveling set 
And I think I need a Lear jet.

off the cuff no doubt

Artful_Badger

michael999999 wrote: »

Well stop complaining then, you can't have your cake and eat it!

Get a job in your local shop and apply for better jobs. The country owes you nothing, just because your qualified or have a degree in something doesn't entitle you to a job!

If the country owes him nothing then he owes the country nothing. Do whatever ya want OP, seems to be how everyone else gets by. There is no honour or integrity left in the Republic of Ireland so you'd be an utter fool to think there is any moral implications to taking the state for everything you can.

Trhiggy83

michael999999 wrote: »

Well stop complaining then, you can't have your cake and eat it!

Get a job in your local shop and apply for better jobs. The country owes you nothing, just because your qualified or have a degree in something doesn't entitle you to a job!

Anger management classes for u my man. I never said the country owes me anything ......back to the cake ....mmmmmmmm so creamy

beeroclock

Am I right in saying that rather than learn new skills you blame "Ireland"?

I'm responsible for my income, wealth, well being, health etc no one else and the day I realized that everything changed for the better.

kneemos

beeroclock wrote: »

Am I right in saying that rather than learn new skills you blame "Ireland"?

I'm responsible for my income, wealth, well being, health etc no one else and the day I realized that everything changed for the better.

Didn't see him blaming anything except the current circumstances.

Trhiggy83

beeroclock wrote: »

Am I right in saying that rather than learn new skills you blame "Ireland"?

I'm responsible for my income, wealth, well being, health etc no one else and the day I realized that everything changed for the better.

I have learnt new skills but if the economy is broke there is no future for anyone. How can i plan ahead if i dont know whether i will have a full time job next year.

I know i am responsible for all you listed above, but i am not in control of my own future in ireland at the moment. You can reskill until the cows come home but ireland is not in great shape to keep you in long term employment in the industry of your choice.

I never addressed that point... im not blaming Ireland, just saying that looking at what is happening with my eyes wide open, i realise its gonna get worse before better and i have had enough time to think about the options open to me.

beeroclock

kneemos wrote: »

Didn't see him blaming anything except the current circumstances.

Apologies OP for misinterpreting

beeroclock

Trhiggy83 wrote: »

I have learnt new skills but if the economy is broke there is no future for anyone. How can i plan ahead if i dont know whether i will have a full time job next year.

I know i am responsible for all you listed above, but i am not in control of my own future in ireland at the moment. You can reskill until the cows come home but ireland is not in great shape to keep you in long term employment in the industry of your choice.

I can appreciate what you are saying. The economy is certainly broke in certain sectors but booming in others

Best of luck with whatever you chose to do hope things improve for you

sydthebeat

beeroclock wrote: »

I can appreciate what you are saying. The economy is certainly broke in certain sectors but booming in others

Best of luck with whatever you chose to do hope things improve for you

I will probably need to retrain / move jobs very soon.... What sectors do you see as 'booming' ?

humbert

If you can be happy poor and single then you don't have much to fear in life.

You can't question whether money can bring happiness and then suggest high taxes are a good reason to leave the country!

beeroclock

sydthebeat wrote: »

I will probably need to retrain / move jobs very soon.... What sectors do you see as 'booming' ?

I would consider IT (tech support, programming, web development) as booming, I believe there are posts in alternative energies etc..
I am no expert by the way that's my humble opinion!

dmc17

Jester252 wrote: »

Money is the best. Name anything else that feeds you, keeps you warm and allows you to have fun.

A pub that serves food?

Trhiggy83

humbert wrote: »

If you can be happy poor and single then you don't have much to fear in life.

You can't question whether money can bring happiness and then suggest high taxes are a good reason to leave the country!

I just did.... it was a convoluted post but i did make a bit of sense somewhere.. i think

smcgiff

beeroclock wrote: »

Apologies OP for misinterpreting

Right. Apart from blaming the politicians, job opportunities, insufficient social welfare, the rat race and taxation system.

Trhiggy83

beeroclock wrote: »

I would consider IT (tech support, programming, web development) as booming, I believe there are posts in alternative energies etc..
I am no expert by the way that's my humble opinion!

I done a post grad in green energy myself but the investment is not as forthcoming as initially expected

Artful_Badger

beeroclock wrote: »

I would consider IT (tech support, programming, web development) as booming, I believe there are posts in alternative energies etc..
I am no expert by the way that's my humble opinion!

I wouldnt say its booming necessarily. Its just still growing steadily but there is going to be a hell of a lot of people retraining for jobs in IT as well as a huge increase in school leavers going into IT so there will be limited opportunities there in a few years too same as everywhere.

stevenmu

Trhiggy83 wrote: »

This country is corrupt to the core and i try to avoid paying any taxes that i dont agree with (especially the ones that are invented)

For what it's worth all taxes are "invented".

It's also worth pointing out that these taxes are what is paying for your dole, even the ones you don't agree with. Incidentally, if we all stopped paying the taxes that we don't agree with, I'm pretty sure you'd find your dole money would dry up pretty quickly, along with the healthcare system, education system, law enforcement etc.

Anyway, if you're so worried about taxes being too high, why don't you get a job. We all know construction is dead, give it up and find a job doing something else, anything else. Flip burgers at McDonalds, sweep floors in a hotel, start a business doing/selling something. If everybody who could work was working taxes would collapse in no time.

Trhiggy83

smcgiff wrote: »

Right. Apart from blaming the politicians, job opportunities, insufficient social welfare, the rat race and taxation system.

I dont think i could put my argument forward on all of the above in one post. I never said the social welfare was insufficient to be fair.

I dont agree with the current tax rates and cutoffs so lets just leave it at that or we could be here all day.

Job opportunities is an issue for 450 thousand people not just me

SCOOP 64

stevenmu wrote: »

For what it's worth all taxes are "invented".

It's also worth pointing out that these taxes are what is paying for your dole, even the ones you don't agree with. Incidentally, if we all stopped paying the taxes that we don't agree with, I'm pretty sure you'd find your dole money would dry up pretty quickly, along with the healthcare system, education system, law enforcement etc.

Anyway, if you're so worried about taxes being too high, why don't you get a job. We all know construction is dead, give it up and find a job doing something else, anything else. Flip burgers at McDonalds, sweep floors in a hotel, start a business doing/selling something. If everybody who could work was working taxes would collapse in no time.

Have to say after reading this , it seems so easy , why has no one ever done a post like this before, if all the 450,000 on the dole read this and done something about it ,this country would be on the mend in no time.