Phoenix Park Tunnel

eejoynt

Re the 16 route the long detour through the shantalla estate to serve a population is plain mad. Maybe the 83a solution of one detouring bus per hour would increase the effectiveness of this route

CaptainSkidmark

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/video-phoenix-park-tunnel-no-alternative-to-dart-underground-1.1499167

just seen this online now.

I wonder would it be feasible to run say 3 trains a day from Cork-Dublin into Connoly instead of Heuston and just bypass Heuston?

Jamie2k9

CaptainSkidmark wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/video-phoenix-park-tunnel-no-alternative-to-dart-underground-1.1499167

just seen this online now.

I wonder would it be feasible to run say 3 trains a day from Cork-Dublin into Connoly instead of Heuston and just bypass Heuston?

Luas would be quicker so pointless.

Grandeeod

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Luas would be quicker so pointless.

A very poorly informed opinion.

OP

Original discussion at the link below.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056996482

Jamie2k9

Grandeeod wrote: »

A very poorly informed opinion.

OP

Original discussion at the link below.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056996482

You point is what exactly, I know the other threat as I posted in it.

BonkeyDonker

CaptainSkidmark wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/video-phoenix-park-tunnel-no-alternative-to-dart-underground-1.1499167

just seen this online now.

I wonder would it be feasible to run say 3 trains a day from Cork-Dublin into Connoly instead of Heuston and just bypass Heuston?

I doubt you could run diesel through the tunnel, so unless you upgrade Cork-Dublin to electric I think this would be a non-runner.

murphaph

Of course diesel could run through the tunnel (tunnel has already hosted diesel passenger services in the past). There are no stations in the tunnel that would prevent diesel running.

Copyerselveson

murphaph wrote: »

Of course diesel could run through the tunnel (tunnel has already hosted diesel passenger services in the past). There are no stations in the tunnel that would prevent diesel running.

The 29000 class railcars are designed to run underground.

CaptainSkidmark

BonkeyDonker wrote: »

I doubt you could run diesel through the tunnel, so unless you upgrade Cork-Dublin to electric I think this would be a non-runner.

why not? they have always gone through the tunnel in cork?

Sheldons Brain

murphaph wrote: »

Of course diesel could run through the tunnel (tunnel has already hosted diesel passenger services in the past). There are no stations in the tunnel that would prevent diesel running.

Presumably it was designed for steam locomotives.

Victor

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cgcsb

BonkeyDonker wrote: »

I doubt you could run diesel through the tunnel, so unless you upgrade Cork-Dublin to electric I think this would be a non-runner.

tunnel was built for steam trains so it can of course take modern low emmission diesel.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

cgcsb wrote: »

tunnel was built for steam trains so it can of course take modern low emmission diesel.

Just a reminder, there is a video on youtube taken from a train going throgh the tunnel, posted here before.

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

A look inside, for those of us who haven't had the pleasure. (It goes completely dark for a few seconds, but persist.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THCivq-e6Pw

Grandeeod

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

You point is what exactly, I know the other threat as I posted in it.

My point is that you are basing your opinion on it being merely a connection between Heuston and Connolly, when clearly it is more than that. Simply stating that the luas is quicker and the project is pointless is a very poor assessment IMO.

corktina

Yes it's more than that....slow, and circuititous. The Luas would be quicker as stated (plus there are already capacity problems at Connolly

Grandeeod

corktina wrote: »

Yes it's more than that....slow, and circuititous. The Luas would be quicker as stated (plus there are already capacity problems at Connolly

Post resignalling, more capacity.
Project only feasible by 2015 after additional capacity is added.
Service operating to GCD.
The slow bit is only based on the current line speed of 30mph.
It is not a link between two stations, its a new service bringing commuters from Kildare/Portlaoise to Connolly, Tara St, Pearse and GCD.

In that context, explain what the luas is quicker at?

ArmaniJeanss

corktina wrote: »

Yes it's more than that....slow, and circuititous. The Luas would be quicker as stated (plus there are already capacity problems at Connolly

Circuitous? : isn't really a problem (or even unusual) for a train line I'd have thought. I'm sure theres plenty of commuter lines worldwide that use somewhat less than the most direct route possible but are still considered key and essential lines.

Slow? : well the Irish Times article suggests 8 minutes from Heuston to Connolly. Which seems unlikely.
But does anyone know what the actual comparison is?
Using say the average Luas wait time + average Luas time from H to C.

How would a journey from say Newbridge to Connolly compare over the two possible ways?

cython

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Slow? : well the Irish Times article suggests 8 minutes from Heuston to Connolly. Which seems unlikely.

Seeing as how the current timetable between Drumcondra and Connolly (which any transfer would have to pass along with the current alignment) varies between 4 and 7-8 mins for that leg, and considering that it's not unheard of for it to take even longer than timetabled due to having to pause between the two for inordinate periods, I would say that 8 mins between Heuston and Connolly is exceedingly optimistic!

end of the road

Grandeeod wrote: »

Post resignalling, more capacity.
Project only feasible by 2015 after additional capacity is added.
Service operating to GCD.
The slow bit is only based on the current line speed of 30mph.
It is not a link between two stations, its a new service bringing commuters from Kildare/Portlaoise to Connolly, Tara St, Pearse and GCD.

In that context, explain what the luas is quicker at?

thats the type of people we need, those who see the potential of something rather then what something sounds or looks like, the opening up of this resource has a lot of potential and can offer potential journeys without changing, it will take a bit of work to get up and running but it will be worth every penny, its not a replacement for dart underground but it will complament it, i know if this happens i will definitely use it where possible as it would mean not having to walk all the way out through connolly wait for luas which stops at traffic lights and so on

LXFlyer

Islandbridge Junction to Connolly is about 12 minutes at current line speeds.

As Grandeeod has pointed out, this is far more than just linking to Connolly, it's about linking to the CBD via Pearse and Grand Canal Dock.

Anyone going to the area along the Quays could be catered for by providing a connecting bus out of any train from Platform 10.

Grandeeod

lxflyer wrote: »

Islandbridge Junction to Connolly is about 12 minutes at current line speeds.

As Grandeeod has pointed out, this is far more than just linking to Connolly, it's about linking to the CBD via Pearse and Grand Canal Dock.

Anyone going to the area along the Quays could be catered for by providing a connecting bus out of any train from Platform 10.

While I hope it happens, it may not, due to a variety of circumstances. I still believe there is a very negative stance towards it within Irish Rail. I want to be proved wrong. However I just want it to be represented correctly in any public forum and be judged on what it could be instead of misguided BS, agenda's and small mindedness.

vektarman

Leo Varadker is making a decision early next year about reopening the Phoenix Park tunnel to commuter trains.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/varadkar-to-leave-phoenix-park-tunnel-decision-until-next-year-617273.html

Hungerford

I'm confused - Irish Rail are claiming it will cost €10 million to open up a tunnel which is already open??

ArmaniJeanss

Hungerford wrote: »

I'm confused - Irish Rail are claiming it will cost €10 million to open up a tunnel which is already open??

Perhaps they're only using one track at the moment whereas both tracks would be used if was used by commuter lines.
Presumably Platform Ten would need a re-fit, and possibly made wheelchair accessible.
Signalling system would need to be fixed to handle multiple trains.

It really doesn't seem a huge amount of money, pleasantly surprised how little it is.

corktina

on your bike, it "only" cost 10 times that to rebuild the whole WRC bit they rebuilt

loyatemu

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Perhaps they're only using one track at the moment whereas both tracks would be used if was used by commuter lines.
Presumably Platform Ten would need a re-fit, and possibly made wheelchair accessible.
Signalling system would need to be fixed to handle multiple trains.

It really doesn't seem a huge amount of money, pleasantly surprised how little it is.

does it include a station at Cabra? - would only be worth doing if they're planning on running trains in both directions all day, rather than just at rush hour.

LXFlyer

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Perhaps they're only using one track at the moment whereas both tracks would be used if was used by commuter lines.
Presumably Platform Ten would need a re-fit, and possibly made wheelchair accessible.
Signalling system would need to be fixed to handle multiple trains.

It really doesn't seem a huge amount of money, pleasantly surprised how little it is.

Both lines are in daily use, and platform 10 is already accessible.

I would assume that the money would be spent on a new crossover north of platform 10 to allow multi-directional use, and the balance on additional signalling and possibly increasing the line speed between Islandbridge Junction and Glasnevin Junction.

Donaldio

I dont see the point to go to Connolly via Cabra it seems really out of the way especially when there is already the Luas and Connolly is already a busy station with the Dart line Belfast trains, Sligo trains, and the Maynooth line which is fairly regular.

Victor

Donaldio wrote: »

I dont see the point to go to Connolly via Cabra it seems really out of the way especially when there is already the Luas and Connolly is already a busy station with the Dart line Belfast trains, Sligo trains, and the Maynooth line which is fairly regular.

If an 8-10 minute journey time is realistic, that is much better than the typical 16-17 minutes (with no evening service) + transfer time via Luas.

That's equivalent to 21-42 minutes from Heuston to Grand Canal Dock at the moment which might drop to 14-16 minutes.

LXFlyer

Donaldio wrote: »

I dont see the point to go to Connolly via Cabra it seems really out of the way especially when there is already the Luas and Connolly is already a busy station with the Dart line Belfast trains, Sligo trains, and the Maynooth line which is fairly regular.

This would only happen after the city centre resignalling project is completed, when capacity has increased.

As posted above this is far more than linking the Kildare line with Connolly, but also with the south city CBD.