Woman orchestrates false rape accusation against her own brother

dotsman

Couldn't see a thread about this:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0715/462647-rape-complainant-admits-lying-to-gardai/

For those who can't access it:

RTE wrote:

A Galway man who pleaded guilty to raping his niece has been allowed to change his plea after the complainant admitted she had been lying.
The girl, who is now aged 18, told gardaí that her mother made her file a complaint when she was about ten years old claiming her uncle had abused her.

The 41-year-old man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, had maintained his innocence until the trial but pleaded guilty on the day because he said he was "completely terrified" of going to prison.

He believed a guilty plea offered the best chance of avoiding a jail sentence.
He had pleaded guilty at the Central Criminal Court to rape and serious sexual assault at a house in Galway city on a date between 1 September 2004 and 28 February 2005.

Conor Devally SC, prosecuting, said the man's older sister approached gardaí in April this year and admitted she made her young daughter write to the gardai and make allegations about her brother.

She said this was done because she suffered from depression and anorexia and wanted her brother out of the house.

"I told her a lot of stuff to say, to blame him and what kind of things he did. It took a lot of time to get her to understand, she didn't want to do it.”
The woman admitted she had been cruel to make her daughter say this.

A statement written by the accused was read out in court by his counsel, Feargal Kavanagh SC, in which the man said he could not understand the allegations and had always instructed his solicitor that he was innocent.

The man said at the time of the allegations he had been drinking an enormous amount of alcohol, and could not recall that period of his life with any degree of accuracy.

"I knew there were days I could not account for as I had been drinking so much. My memory was never good; it's almost non-existent now," the man said.

The court heard that the man has a mild intellectual disability and has spent time in hospital for mental health issues. He is the youngest of a very large and extremely dysfunctional family, counsel said.

He said he was "overcome by panic" and in a state of near nervous collapse at the thought of going to prison, and was terrified that he would be preyed upon by other prisoners.

He said a member of his family convinced him to plead guilty to at least one of the allegations in the hope that he would get a suspended sentence.
Ms Justice Iseult O'Malley granted the man's application to change his plea, and adjourned the case for mention.

She remanded the man on unconditional bail, removed him from the sex offender's register and excused him from attending court on the next date.

I can't believe how someone would do this, let alone to their own (intellectually disabled) brother. What's worse is that I can't imagine our judicial system will punish her is any meaningful way.

She destroyed her brother's life, screwed up her daughter's and makes it harder for real victim's of rape to get justice.

Femme_Fatale

Conor Devally SC, prosecuting, said the man's older sister approached gardaí in April this year and admitted she made her young daughter write to the gardai and make allegations about her brother.

She said this was done because she suffered from depression and anorexia and wanted her brother out of the house.

"I told her a lot of stuff to say, to blame him and what kind of things he did. It took a lot of time to get her to understand, she didn't want to do it.”

Sweet suffering Jesus...

Amirani

Not a very nice thing to be doing really.

1ZRed

Some people are sick f*cks, simple as. She had nothing to gain out of this and destroyed her brother's life and damaged her daughter's as well for no reason at all.

I hope she's the one that gets thrown in jail, make her learn the severity of calling rape on someone like it's nothing.

anncoates

Just give her the maximum jail sentence for the crime she fabricated and put her on the sex offenders register to see how she likes it.

Redhairedguy

It's actually distressing how easy an accusation can be made, and essentially end someone's life as they know it.

Obviously not taking away from the numerous real cases in Ireland every year. The mother/sister should be made to face prosecution, or at least massive compensation to her brother.

Surprising that the daughter didn't come out earlier with the truth, there's no way that could rest easily on a young person's conscience... YOLO and all that jazz.

Femme_Fatale

Redhairedguy wrote: »

Surprising that the daughter didn't come out earlier with the truth, there's no way that could rest easily on a young person's conscience... YOLO and all that jazz.

Personally I wouldn't be inclined to lay any responsibility at the young girl's feet. Who knows what way her memories could be distorted and what coercion she could have been under (and who's to say she wouldn't have spoken out eventually) by that mother of hers, who IMO is fully to blame and deserves to go to prison for perverting the course of justice.

bizmark

anncoates wrote: »

Just give her the maximum jail sentence for the crime she fabricated and put her on the sex offenders register to see how she likes it.

ya but that wont happen its only a guy after all maybe this poor oppressed women felt scared

Wacker The Attacker

NiallSparky wrote: »

Not a very nice thing to be doing really.

No sh1t

zenno

The woman admitted she had been cruel to make her daughter say this.

Talk about the understatement of the century. Jesus. What a heinous thing to do to a man, Utterly odious and wicked.

Conmaicne Mara

anncoates wrote: »

Just give her the maximum jail sentence for the crime she fabricated and put her on the sex offenders register to see how she likes it.

Agree, false claim should be met with max sentence of the crime. Which should go to the mother rather than a girl who was 10 at the time.

cheesefiend

The damage this would have done to her own daughter is incomprehensible. Very sad situation all around.

Gatling

That feffing crazy absolutely shocked for once on here .

I hope both mother and daughter are dragged to there nearest station and charged ,

Amazing to think arrested ,charged ,sentenced without any evidence against you

zenno

dotsman wrote: »

Couldn't see a thread about this:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0715/462647-rape-complainant-admits-lying-to-gardai/

For those who can't access it:



I can't believe how someone would do this, let alone to their own (intellectually disabled) brother. What's worse is that I can't imagine our judicial system will punish her is any meaningful way.

She destroyed her brother's life, screwed up her daughter's and makes it harder for real victim's of rape to get justice.

There is something seriously wrong regarding our judicial system.

I hope he brings charges against her. That cannot be acceptable to let that so-called woman away with something so mentally damaging for both folk.

This judicial system here in Ireland makes my head spin 180 degrees, it's a nutcase system.

Femme_Fatale

Gatling wrote: »

I hope both mother and daughter are dragged to there nearest station and charged

The mother yeh, but the daughter was a 10-year-old kid when her mother got her to make the statement. The mother basically did it, just used her daughter as the tool to bring it to fruition.

woodoo

This is happening a lot. She has to get some serious jail time.

Ace Attorney

Wow, just wow what a fcuking bitch to ruin her brothers life like that, deffo should be some sort of law and jail time for someone that sells these sorts of lies, absolutly disgusted

AudreyHepburn

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0715/462647-rape-complainant-admits-lying-to-gardai/

I was so appalled when I read this I just had to post this...stories like this really make be loose faith is society and our legal system.

At no point in this process did anyone ever consider that the child could have lied...it makes me wonder how many other innocent men have had their lives ruined in this way.

Chucken

Thread here already:http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056993350

Caliden

I think the saddest part of this is that, even though the man knew he was 100% innocent, he was willing to plead guilty in the hope he would get a lenient sentence.

I just can't imagine being in a situation like that

TheLastMohican

In before the merger

TheLastMohican

Was the woman not arrested there and then? So many charges can be pinned on her: Child abuse, wasting police time, slander/libel, wasting taxpayers' money etc. And her excuse? Depression!

BeerWolf

Fabricated rape accusations are so easy for a woman to do, and hard to disprove unless you have a solid alibi. More so if a woman rapes a man.

I can imagine there are a LOT of people in prison for rape they have never committed.

Women like these really need to spend the amount of time in prison to the same extent as murder, cause they've ruined people's lives...

Festy

Hang her !!!

suicide_circus

woodoo wrote: »

This is happening a lot. She has to get some serious jail time.

this happens a lot? I've actually never heard of a similar case in my life ever.

Meangadh

The whole thing is very sad. Not excusing the woman, who I think should be punished for what she did, but there's obviously a very sad background to the whole thing for her to do something as horrific as that to both her brother and her daughter. I really hope her daughter and brother have good support from other family and friends at this time.

Some people are seriously seriously disturbed and our mental health facilities in this country, despite the hard work of many, are just sadly inadequate.

why did he plead guilty poor man

B0jangles

BeerWolf wrote: »

Fabricated rape accusations are so easy for a woman to do, and hard to disprove unless you have a solid alibi. More so if a woman rapes a man.

FYI false rape claims are actually very rare.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/13/rape-investigations-belief-false-accusations

(Not a comment on this particular case where obviously all my sympathies are with the poor man who was lied about so cruelly.)

spoofilyj

That is bloody awful.

Its disgusting for this to have happened.
That poor man must have been in terrible distress to plead guilty.

On the flip side stories like this make it more difficult for girls/women who have really been raped to report the crime and go through the process.

That women should be charges and sent away for a while to teach her a lesson.

SuperGrover

And yet on here, if you don't support death, torture, castration or prison rape for anyone who is convicted, you're in the 'pc brigade'.

Bipolar Joe

SuperGrover wrote: »

And yet on here, if you don't support death, torture, castration or prison rape for anyone who is convicted, you're in the 'pc brigade'.

What the fuck does that have to do with the case?

SuperGrover

Well, at the time of conviction, most people here on AH would have happily supported torture or death for this chap.

Turns out he was innocent.

That's what the fcuk does that has to do with the case.

kylith

Deleted User wrote: »

why did he plead guilty poor man

Because he was an alcoholic and his memory is so destroyed that he couldn't remember whether he'd done it or not, so he pleaded guilty in the hopes of a lesser sentence.

Speisekarte

B0jangles wrote: »

FYI false rape claims are actually very rare.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/13/rape-investigations-belief-false-accusations

(Not a comment on this particular case where obviously all my sympathies are with the poor man who was lied about so cruelly.)

That just mentions the number of people convicted of making false rape allegations. We don't actually know the true number of false rape accusations. It's obviously a lot more.

Badly Drunk Boy

Deleted User wrote: »

why did he plead guilty poor man

He had a drinking problem and the associated memory lapses. Also, pleading guilty was his best chance of not doing jail time.

The man said at the time of the allegations he had been drinking an enormous amount of alcohol, and could not recall that period of his life with any degree of accuracy.

He believed a guilty plea offered the best chance of avoiding a jail sentence.

Bipolar Joe

SuperGrover wrote: »

Well, at the time of conviction, most people here on AH would have happily supported torture or death for this chap.

Turns out he was innocent.

That's what the fcuk does that has to do with the case.

It's a good thing the judge forgot to check what AH thinks at the time, then, isn't it? Phew for all involved!

efb

BeerWolf wrote: »

Fabricated rape accusations are so easy for a woman to do, and hard to disprove unless you have a solid alibi. More so if a woman rapes a man.

I can imagine there are a LOT of people in prison for rape they have never committed.

Women like these really need to spend the amount of time in prison to the same extent as murder, cause they've ruined people's lives...

You said in prison- the facts disagree

Super-Rush

Its a testament to the justice system in this country that if you plead guilty you get a more lenient sentence.

later12

I wonder what kind of sh1t the daughter has gone though, presumably growing up believing she was raped as a child. I presume she has grown up with the side effects of sexual abuse, ironically without it having happened. That is in itself a form of sexual abuse.

Obviously in terms of the uncle, this is probably the cruellest allegation you could make against another person. It's disturbing how people can be willing to abuse its seriousness.

SuperGrover

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

It's a good thing the judge forgot to check what AH thinks at the time, then, isn't it? Phew for all involved!

Well, actually, yes, it's a very good thing.

Karl Stein

Treacherous bitch.

SeanW

B0jangles wrote: »

FYI false rape claims that are detected are actually very rare.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/13/rape-investigations-belief-false-accusations

FYP. Besides your argument links to the Guardian, a leftist rag that's as far left as the Daily Mail allegedly is right wing.

So the question of leftist spin and outright mendacity arises (on the part of the Guardian).

daveyeh

Scummy bint. Should be put down.

EazyD

Two lives ruined, and it's described as "cruel"? Much akin to calling a murderer "naughty". 20 years minimum in the slammer would be my call.

frank reynolds

what a horrible b!tch.

B0jangles

SeanW wrote: »

FYP. Besides your argument links to the Guardian, a leftist rag that's as far left as the Daily Mail allegedly is right wing.

So the question of leftist spin and outright mendacity arises (on the part of the Guardian).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2177524/Director-Public-Prosecutions-Keir-Starmer-Nine-rapes-unreported.html

Happy?

Speisekarte

B0jangles wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2177524/Director-Public-Prosecutions-Keir-Starmer-Nine-rapes-unreported.html

Happy?

Do you have any figures for the unreported false rape claims? Which would be slightly more in keeping with thread topic.

efb

How would have figures if they were unreported?

B0jangles

Speisekarte wrote: »

Do you have any figures for the unreported false rape claims? Which would be slightly more in keeping with thread topic.

I only posted that to counter the poster who dismissed the original link because it came from The Guardian - I thought the Daily Mail would be accepted as coming from the opposite end of the scale.

Speisekarte

efb wrote: »

How would have figures if they were unreported?

How are their figures for unreported rape cases then in Bojangles attached link?

efb

Speisekarte wrote: »

How are their figures for unreported rape cases then in Bojangles attached link?

From the rape crisis centre