Do you want to see the Dail Grow Up

WIZE

Ban Point scoring- Suits compulsory - Question dodging prohibited - compulsory attendance a number of days a year - Dail bar closed before and during Dail is in session - Horseplay banned.

Dail = Professional Politics

lkionm

I just hope when it grows up it will have boobies

Radiosonde

lkionm wrote: »

I just hope when it grows up it will have boobies

Tom Barry could fondle them.

Let them wear what they want. All we need to do is look around the world, and look at how many suit wearers cause untold misery.

I think the idea that someone wearing a suit is more professional, is unadulterated hogwash.

Aidric

I'm no old codger but the spectacle of having some deputies voting on a matter of the magnitude of abortion with a few drinks on board was extremely embarrassing.

hatrickpatrick

I was with you until the suits part. What someone wears is completely and utterly irrelevant to their skill at any particular job; Uniforms of any kind are a relic of a bygone era (unless working in a job in which a uniform is actually a practical necessity)

Peregrine

Deleted User wrote: »

Let them wear what they want.

Don't they already?

Have you heard of a certain Mick Wallace?

Nimrod 7

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

Don't they already?

Have you heard of a certain Mick Wallace?

Yup, I was just talking about the OP wanting suits to be compulsory.

kneemos

Aidric wrote: »

I'm no old codger but the spectacle of having some deputies voting on a matter of the magnitude of abortion with a few drinks on board was extremely embarrassing.

Everyone was voting yes anyway drunk or not,its not like they made up their mind on the night.

Peregrine

Deleted User wrote: »

Yup, I was just talking about the OP wanting suits to be compulsory.

Oops how did I miss that. Yeah that would be a stupid idea. Let them wear what they want.

Hande hoche!

They should just wear hessian sacks to cut costs.

goulders

big hats and red noses for the bunch of clowns

1ZRed

The Dail should be bulldozed. What a waste of space

Sh1tbag OToole

Just ban alcohol from that place altogether. People arent allowed to drink and drive lest they might kill themselves and maybe another person. Yet the lads in the Dail will vote for stuff that will affect people for generations, but somehow its acceptable to be after a few pints when you're doing that

P_1

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Just ban alcohol from that place altogether. People arent allowed to drink and drive lest they might kill themselves and maybe another person. Yet the lads in the Dail will vote for stuff that will affect people for generations, but somehow its acceptable to be after a few pints when you're doing that

It doesn't really matter if they're 3 sheets to the wind though, they've already been told what way to vote. Now they should get rid of the subsidy in the bar though

Sand

I wouldn't be in favor of suits as a rule tbh. Not in weather like this.

Hootanany

How much is a pint in the bar

WIZE

Hootanany wrote: »

How much is a pint in the bar

€3.50 I believe

BattleCorp

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Just ban alcohol from that place altogether. People arent allowed to drink and drive lest they might kill themselves and maybe another person. Yet the lads in the Dail will vote for stuff that will affect people for generations, but somehow its acceptable to be after a few pints when you're doing that

I can't be drunk in my workplace so why is acceptable for them to be drunk in theirs?

Aidric

kneemos wrote: »

Everyone was voting yes anyway drunk or not,its not like they made up their mind on the night.

P_1 wrote: »

It doesn't really matter if they're 3 sheets to the wind though, they've already been told what way to vote. Now they should get rid of the subsidy in the bar though

Seriously? By all means let them have a drink after the order of business has ceased for the day. Some deputies were drinking on the job, that cannot be excused. In any other job you're on the road for that, let alone in a job where you are voting on landmark state legislation.

HondaSami

kneemos wrote: »

Everyone was voting yes anyway drunk or not,its not like they made up their mind on the night.

Fair point but they could have at least stayed sober and shown some professionalism. The dail bar should be shut down, drinking at work is not acceptable anywhere else.
I'm sure they all stayed in Dublin for the night paid for by us tax payers.

Firefox11

We have a code of conduct where I work. Does one not exist for our public representatives? I certainly think they should be.

If any of that carry on that we saw in the dail went on where I work there would be serious reprimands handed out up to and including dismissal.:eek:

Redshift

It doesn't matter if the whip system dictates what way they vote. What they do is serious work which affects an entire nation of people. They should show us the people, their possition as representatives of us the people and the institution in which they serve a little more respect.

Drinking on the job is unacceptable everywhere in the private and public sector and so it should be in the dail. It is time for these people to remember who they work for, grow up and act like the professionals they would have us believe they are instead of the national embarrassment and constant disappointing shambles they actually are.

Aidric

Further still and a more important point, if you expect young people to become engaged in politics, bollixology like this isn't going to achieve that aim.

patrickbrophy18

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I was with you until the suits part. What someone wears is completely and utterly irrelevant to their skill at any particular job; Uniforms of any kind are a relic of a bygone era (unless working in a job in which a uniform is actually a practical necessity)

I'd be inclined to disagree with you. When representing a country in the Dail, suits should be mandatory or at the very least slacks, loafers, a shirt, a tie and a blazer. For instance, Mick Wallace is setting a very bad example given that his dress code not mention, hairstyle look like a novelty set. It really is taking the piss when a politician turns up to a professional (or supposed to be) conference looking like Harry from "Dumb & Dumber" gone wrong. It is also a bad reflection of the standards (or lack there of) in the country. Politicians should be professional in every sense including dress code.

Yakult

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

I'd be inclined to disagree with you. When representing a country in the Dail, suits should be mandatory or at the very least slacks, loafers, a shirt, a tie and a blazer. For instance, Mick Wallace is setting a very bad example given that his dress code not mention, hairstyle look like a novelty set. It really is taking the piss when a politician turns up to a professional (or supposed to be) conference looking like Harry from "Dumb & Dumber" gone wrong. It is also a bad reflection of the standards (or lack there of) in the country. Politicians should be professional in every sense including dress code.

Dress code won't do anything for those bunch of clowns. Clown suits would be more appropriate.

WumBuster

what id like to know is why is there need to debate something i.e a bill or legislation through when the voting process is already rigged and predetermined. Every elected person should be allowed to vote on their own merit, not what their party tells them. Its the biggest clique going. democracy my ass.

Aidric

WumBuster wrote: »

what id like to know is why is there need to debate something i.e a bill or legislation through when the voting process is already rigged and predetermined. Every elected person should be allowed to vote on their own merit, not what their party tells them. Its the biggest clique going. democracy my ass.

It's called a whip system.

So if a burglar raids a post office, or credit union, while wearing a suit, he's more professional and setting a better example, than the burglar wearing Canterbury sweatpants, and a pair of Donnay's?

Hotblack Desiato

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

For instance, Mick Wallace is setting a very bad example given that his dress code not mention, hairstyle look like a novelty set. ... It is also a bad reflection of the standards (or lack there of) in the country.

Mick Wallace isn't a bad reflection on the country. Just on the people who voted for him

WumBuster

Aidric wrote: »

It's called a whip system.

oh rite, thanks

Sir Humphrey Appleby

WIZE wrote: »

Ban Point scoring- Suits compulsory - Question dodging prohibited - compulsory attendance a number of days a year - Dail bar closed before and during Dail is in session - Horseplay banned.

Dail = Professional Politics

Nah, they are more fun this way!

Thwip!

The reveal about the bar being open till 5 was wholly embarrassing. We're already known the world over as heavy drinkers, when voting on something as heavy as abortion did we really need to send out that image of ourselves?

hatrickpatrick

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

I'd be inclined to disagree with you. When representing a country in the Dail, suits should be mandatory or at the very least slacks, loafers, a shirt, a tie and a blazer. For instance, Mick Wallace is setting a very bad example given that his dress code not mention, hairstyle look like a novelty set. It really is taking the piss when a politician turns up to a professional (or supposed to be) conference looking like Harry from "Dumb & Dumber" gone wrong. It is also a bad reflection of the standards (or lack there of) in the country. Politicians should be professional in every sense including dress code.

What difference does it make? The only thing that matters about a politician is their character, behavior and policies. I couldn't care less if they decide to come to work in clown suits as long as they do their job and aren't corrupt about it.
I apply that to everything though. If I ever end up running a company, idiotic and archaic things like that will be the first to go. What someone wears is completely and utterly irrelevant to whether they can get their job done or not.

hatrickpatrick

Aidric wrote: »

It's called a whip system.

Exactly, and it's wholly undemocratic. The question is still relevant: WHY debate anything in the Dail when we already know the outcome of any debate, regardless of its content?
The whip system removes the ability of the people to dictate how their representatives vote with public pressure, we can hardly call ourselves a democracy when that's how our government operates.

Whips should be left in the bedroom where they belong. :pac:

Hotblack Desiato

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The whip system removes the ability of the people to dictate how their representatives vote with public pressure

Yeah, like a mob is democratically representative.
YD protesting outside people's houses, and lone nutters putting sh1t through letterboxes and posting plastic foetuses is not democracy in action.

If I vote for a member of a party I expect them to represent a party position. 3 out of the 5 FG rebels are from Dublin constituencies, it's a safe bet that they did NOT represent the views of their constituents when they voted against the bill.

Who knew that a lot of the FG new intake of TDs were a bunch of closet religious nutters? I bet they kept quiet about that pre-election.

Dempsey

Aidric wrote: »

I'm no old codger but the spectacle of having some deputies voting on a matter of the magnitude of abortion with a few drinks on board was extremely embarrassing.

Its not like most of them had a choice in the vote. They voted whatever way their party leader told them to

Hotblack Desiato

Dempsey wrote: »

Its not like most of them had a choice in the vote. They voted whatever way their party leader told them to

And one of them couldn't even get that right.

wolfpawnat

1ZRed wrote: »

The Dail should be bulldozed. What a waste of space

What have you got against the Mansion House?

Leinster House is a beautiful building with a history outside of the politics since the 1920's, leave it alone.

OT - grow up? that would suggest the ability to develop in intelligence!

darkhorse

ninja900 wrote: »

And one of them couldn't even get that right.

He was probably looking at his hair in the mirror and pressed the wrong button.:eek:

hatrickpatrick

ninja900 wrote: »

Yeah, like a mob is democratically representative.
YD protesting outside people's houses, and lone nutters putting sh1t through letterboxes and posting plastic foetuses is not democracy in action.

If I vote for a member of a party I expect them to represent a party position. 3 out of the 5 FG rebels are from Dublin constituencies, it's a safe bet that they did NOT represent the views of their constituents when they voted against the bill.

Who knew that a lot of the FG new intake of TDs were a bunch of closet religious nutters? I bet they kept quiet about that pre-election.

If I vote for anyone I expect them to represent the people of the constituency. That's how democracy is supposed to work, by electing people you're voting for or against legislation by proxy. Their allegiance should be to the people of their constituency and not to any other subset, be that corporate interests, lobby groups, party leaders, or anyone else.