The policing you dont see- MI5 in Northern Ireland.

pablomakaveli

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

FYI
It is The Republic in common parlance, Ireland or Eire officially, not the free state.
It is Northern Ireland, a constituent part of The United kingdom of Great Britain and Nortern Ireland, not the occupied six counties.
Impossible to respect the veiwpoint of anyone who insists on disrespecting my country by persistantly calling it by a deregatory name.

It's the ridiculous assumption that calling NI and the ROI by another name somehow makes it not a real entity. The equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "la la la you're not real la la la"

Xantia

Posters are talking about polls in Ireland should look back at the original poll of the Irish General Election of 1918.
As far as I know it was the last all Ireland poll?
Anyhow Sinn Fein led by Eamon de Valera won 73 out of the 105 seats (a sizeable 69.5% of seats)

Technically you could blame the Germans for partition as well
The then Imperial Government of Germany (pre WW1) sent arms to the Ulster Volunteers (which became the UVF) in 1914
After that they sent arms to the Irish Volunteers in the same year. They were actively promoting political tension in what was then the United Kingdom of GB and Ireland in the years leading up to the 'great war/the war to end all wars'.

After this poll the lines were drawn.
Even Carson (who was elected as an MP for the University of Dublin) fought against the Tory idea of partition but eventually had to give way as the other option was home rule for all of Ireland which his supporters were against.

Carson said "What a fool I was! I was only a puppet, and so was Ulster, and so was Ireland, in the political game that was to get the Conservative Party into Power."
In other words it suited the British Tory party at that time to ignore the overwhelming results of an election because they got back into power as a result.

Coillte_Bhoy

Xantia wrote: »

Posters are talking about polls in Ireland should look back at the original poll of the Irish General Election of 1918.
As far as I know it was the last all Ireland poll?
Anyhow Sinn Fein led by Eamon de Valera won 73 out of the 105 seats (a sizeable 69.5% of seats)

Technically you could blame the Germans for partition as well
The then Imperial Government of Germany (pre WW1) sent arms to the Ulster Volunteers (which became the UVF) in 1914
After that they sent arms to the Irish Volunteers in the same year. They were actively promoting political tension in what was then the United Kingdom of GB and Ireland in the years leading up to the 'great war/the war to end all wars'.

After this poll the lines were drawn.
Even Carson (who was elected as an MP for the University of Dublin) fought against the Tory idea of partition but eventually had to give way as the other option was home rule for all of Ireland which his supporters were against.

Carson said "What a fool I was! I was only a puppet, and so was Ulster, and so was Ireland, in the political game that was to get the Conservative Party into Power."
In other words it suited the British Tory party at that time to ignore the overwhelming results of an election because they got back into power as a result.

Interesting you use the % number of seats they won and not the more accurate % share of the vote which was less than 50%

Xantia

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Interesting you use the % number of seats they won and not the more accurate % share of the vote which was less than 50%

They are both accurate figures.

Xantia

Here is the percentage results:
The full set of constituency results for all 103 Irish constituencies (two of which elected two MPs) is given below. Sinn Fein won 73 seats out of 105 (and they constituted themselves as the first Dáil); Unionists won 22, plus 3 from the satellite "Labour Unionist" grouping; the Irish Nationalist Party won 6 seats in Ireland, plus also a seat in Liverpool; and one independent Unionist was elected from Dublin University (ie Trinity College Dublin). The total vote (bearing in mind that Sinn Fein won 25 seats without a contest) was as follows:


Sinn Fein 476,087 46.9%
Unionists 257,314 25.3%
Nationalists 220,837 21.7%
"Labour Unionists" 30,304 3.0%
Labour 12,164 1.2%
Ind Un 9,531 0.9%
Ind Nats 8,183 0.8%
Ind Lab 659 0.1%
Ind 436 0.0%

While it is clear that Sinn Fein did not get an overall majority it is also clear that Nationalists plus Sinn Fein (those in favour of home rule) did.

Coillte_Bhoy

Xantia wrote: »

Here is the percentage results:
The full set of constituency results for all 103 Irish constituencies (two of which elected two MPs) is given below. Sinn Fein won 73 seats out of 105 (and they constituted themselves as the first Dáil); Unionists won 22, plus 3 from the satellite "Labour Unionist" grouping; the Irish Nationalist Party won 6 seats in Ireland, plus also a seat in Liverpool; and one independent Unionist was elected from Dublin University (ie Trinity College Dublin). The total vote (bearing in mind that Sinn Fein won 25 seats without a contest) was as follows:


Sinn Fein 476,087 46.9%
Unionists 257,314 25.3%
Nationalists 220,837 21.7%
"Labour Unionists" 30,304 3.0%
Labour 12,164 1.2%
Ind Un 9,531 0.9%
Ind Nats 8,183 0.8%
Ind Lab 659 0.1%
Ind 436 0.0%

While it is clear that Sinn Fein did not get an overall majority it is also clear that Nationalists plus Sinn Fein (those in favour of home rule) did.

SF would have had a clear majority though if those 25 seats had been contested, they were mainly in areas where SF were dominant

Xantia

Yes that is correct.

It seems pretty certain that Sinn Féin would have had a majority of the votes if all the seats had been contested. In the contested seats where they won, the total valid vote was 617,262 of an electorate of 907,903 (68.0%); and SF got 414,394 votes out of 619,649 (66.9%). The 25 uncontested constituencies had a total electorate of 474,778; if we assume an identical average turnout and SF vote share, that gives 322,790 extra votes cast, 216,703 for SF and 106,087 for others. This gives SF at least 692,790 votes of a notional Ireland-wide total of 1,306,465, or at least 53.0%. The 66.9% vote share for SF in constituencies they would have won is a very conservative estimate; in nine of the contested constituencies they got over 80% of the vote and their likely vote share in the uncontested seats must be nearer that end of the scale. For their total vote share to be less than 50% (assuming the 68.0% turnout) their vote share in the 25 uncontested seats would have had to be an unrealistically low 54.7%.

Oakboy

Sand wrote: »

Do you think there is more transparency and accountability in policing by the militant groups looking to re-establish this Irish Republic OP?

That makes everything all right then, let's carry on

micosoft

SoulandForm wrote: »

Good question- honestly Im not sure.

However while the elite that rule the Free State might easily be described as evil they are in no way as evil as the elite that rules the occupied six counties though personally I would like to see both go and the Irish Republic re-established.

So that you can stick your own elite in?

BFDCH.

micosoft wrote: »

So that you can stick your own elite in?

they've done such a good job with governing the 26 counties, it would only be right and proper for us to inflict our elite on the the other 6 too