Catch records of the Owenmore River in County Kerry... From 1989 - 1993

danbrosnan

Taught id share these that i have had for a while... Great insight into a river, when managed and free of nets can produce serious fish...

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Snowc

Free of nets are you joking ? poaching was rife back then and was accepted as a means of fishing by most

danbrosnan

Please can you elaborate on what you are saying.. its a very expansive statement... are you saying people on the catch records were poachers...

Snowc

danbrosnan wrote: »

Please can you elaborate on what you are saying.. its a very expansive statement... are you saying people on the catch records were poachers...

i will of course pal.you said free of nets which i offered my opinion on .

danbrosnan

Snowc wrote: »

i will of course pal.you said free of nets which i offered my opinion on .

Exactly your opinion, which doesn't stand for much because its invalid information from unknown person behind a made up name... I have uploaded information on a river which is absolutely true, I have the photos, videos, newspaper clippings, researched documents, court proceedings, etc.... To prove it.... In 1989 there was a total of 26 nets seized in the cloghane estuary... Do you want to see the photos or the court proceedings? If so I will gladly pm them to you.... I am coming from a completely unbiased point of view... All this information is being included in a YouTube documentary... Now the Brandon area is full of nets again and has been for many years... Maybe you and me have got off on the wrong foot.... I understand that people know that the place has being plagued with illegal salmon fishing for centuries... But there was a period of time when the place was actually free of nets and the prove is in the catch records... I have 1000,s of photos to prove it... Please stop wastin my time please, I'm 27 and I have learned not to listen to opinions but to go out and find things out myself face to face with people....

danbrosnan

Snowc wrote: »

i will of course pal.you said free of nets which i offered my opinion on .

And by the way I am not your pal....

Snowc

danbrosnan wrote: »

Waffle

If you want to go around with your head in the clouds thats your choice,i am doing with this thread

danbrosnan

Snowc wrote: »

If you want to go around with your head in the clouds thats your choice,i am doing with this thread

Good man...

Toshi101

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

danbrosnan

Toshi101 wrote: »

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

The pen is mighter than the sword lol.... I think snowie knows there beaten.... Lol...

yoloc

danbrosnan wrote: »

All this information is being included in a YouTube documentary...

Is the documentary uploaded yet, if not when will it be. Would be really interested in viewing it. Would this poaching documentary be just for this river or all over the country

danbrosnan

yoloc wrote: »

Is the documentary uploaded yet, if not when will it be. Would be really interested in viewing it. Would this poaching documentary be just for this river or all over the country

Check out www.youtube.com/plightofthesalmon

Some snippets there but the full documentary gonna be near the end of 2013...

yoloc

danbrosnan wrote: »

Check out www.youtube.com/plightofthesalmon

Some snippets there but the full documentary gonna be near the end of 2013...

Cant wait to watch this. I know a local poacher who has poached the moy and few other rivers that branch of it and hes been doing this for 60 years. He doesnt get out much now because he's in his 80's and even some water keeper's know what he's at but turn a blind eye because he's well known and only takes one fish every few months. He would be perfect for an interview for your documentary just as long as his identity was kept hidden. Would he be willing to be in it is another matter though.

I also know a few other young guys but they rip the arse out of it taking 5 and 6 fish a time. I've reported them to the local water keeper's because IMO that just aint on. Back in the 70s and 80s i had no problem with people poaching but now i would because of the decrease in the salmon numbers here in ireland.

danbrosnan

yoloc wrote: »

Cant wait to watch this. I know a local poacher who has poached the moy and few other rivers that branch of it and hes been doing this for 60 years. He doesnt get out much now because he's in his 80's and even some water keeper's know what he's at but turn a blind eye because he's well known and only takes one fish every few months. He would be perfect for an interview for your documentary just as long as his identity was kept hidden. Would he be willing to be in it is another matter though.

I also know a few other young guys but they rip the arse out of it taking 5 and 6 fish a time. I've reported them to the local water keeper's because IMO that just aint on. Back in the 70s and 80s i had no problem with people poaching but now i would because of the decrease in the salmon numbers here in ireland.

There be no point interviewing anyone with there identity hidden, I am swapped under with stuff to try and get done, this is a story of a fishery officer and his battle against poachers and with no help from the state.... It will tell the bad parts and the good parts... Nobody perfect and my dad isn't perfect he made more mistakes then most men.... What people have to understand is that as a family we were burnt outta house and home twice , our vans and cars were burnt on a regular occurrence....all for Atlantic salmon... I feel compelled to tell the story and will have no regrets even tho I know there will be consequences...

yoloc

danbrosnan wrote: »

There be no point interviewing anyone with there identity hidden, I am swapped under with stuff to try and get done, this is a story of a fishery officer and his battle against poachers and with no help from the state.... It will tell the bad parts and the good parts... Nobody perfect and my dad isn't perfect he made more mistakes then most men.... What people have to understand is that as a family we were burnt outta house and home twice , our vans and cars were burnt on a regular occurrence....all for Atlantic salmon... I feel compelled to tell the story and will have no regrets even tho I know there will be consequences...

Jesus is it that bad, getting your house burnt,cars,vans etc.. I think i'd let the salmon get poached when it got that bad. Infact i think id join the poachers lol. TBH with you here, i think your silly putting you and your families life at risk over salmon. This poaching will go on even if you still try and highlight it as much as possible.

danbrosnan

yoloc wrote: »

Jesus is it that bad, getting your house burnt,cars,vans etc.. I think i'd let the salmon get poached when it got that bad. Infact i think id join the poachers lol. TBH with you here, i think your silly putting you and your families life at risk over salmon. This poaching will go on even if you still try and highlight it as much as possible.

Did you watch the videos?? on the link i gave you??

danbrosnan

yoloc wrote: »

Jesus is it that bad, getting your house burnt,cars,vans etc.. I think i'd let the salmon get poached when it got that bad. Infact i think id join the poachers lol. TBH with you here, i think your silly putting you and your families life at risk over salmon. This poaching will go on even if you still try and highlight it as much as possible.

Would you consider people that work for greenpeace, silly???

Or people that try and save critically endangered wales in the southern oceans, silly people??

danbrosnan

http://youtu.be/klMuQwDiEU0

danbrosnan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klMuQwDiEU0

yoloc

danbrosnan wrote: »

Would you consider people that work for greenpeace, silly???

Or people that try and save critically endangered wales in the southern oceans, silly people??

They dont have madmen burning down their house/cars etc.. and making their lives hell. And if you have kids, i strongly believe you need to change your attitude because one day it might come back to haunt you all that stuff with trying to save a few salmon. I would never put me or my kids lives at risk for something like this, NEVER!!

danbrosnan

yoloc wrote: »

They dont have madmen burning down their house/cars etc.. and making their lives hell. And if you have kids, i strongly believe you need to change your attitude because one day it might come back to haunt you all that stuff with trying to save a few salmon. I would never put me or my kids lives at risk for something like this, NEVER!!

A few salmon........!!!!!!!!!

Every man dies, not every man really lives

yoloc

danbrosnan wrote: »

A few salmon........!!!!!!!!!

Every man dies, not every man really lives

No salmon is worth the price of mine or my kids lives, not 1 or 1 million of them!


Are you saying you feel alive because of what you do ?

danbrosnan

yoloc wrote: »

No salmon is worth the price of mine or my kids lives, not 1 or 1 million of them!


Are you saying you feel alive because of what you do ?

I am only writing a story my friend, i am not a fishery officer, and i would never be one, i in the middle of my studies, one thing i learned from my whole experience as a child with all the madness going on was that if you want to make a difference educate yourself to the hilt, and get to the top because you cant make a difference without being at the top... fishery officers will never make a difference on the ground cause the fighting a losing battle, they under resourced and the people they catch get left off with a 200 hundred euro fine and go back at it again two days later...

danbrosnan

yoloc wrote: »

Are you saying you feel alive because of what you do ?

I feel alive every day whats that got to do with anything??

thereitisgone

just looked at that video, it could be quite interesting but the newspaper text changes so fast in some places it cant be read and that music is def not for your target audience, but the story looks interesting, just simple pictures of the newspaper clippings might be more informative.

Mr Bumble

Well worth doing Dan....keep at it. Know a few fisheries men in your area and know how bad it can get. I know the Owenmore well and the man looking after it now has his work cut out. They've been taking fish that pass by Brandon on their way to all the rivers in the south west and south for years and nobody seems to be able to deal with them. Very well organised, violent and ruthless men.
I fished it during the time mentioned and it was remarkable. First time i stood on the bridge their was a 100 sea trout and a half dozen salmon in off the tide. There was a padre who used to sit on a deck chair on the rock in the middle of the pool above the bridge with a box of worms and a small spinning rod. Used to catch outrageous numbers of sea trout and the odd salmon without getting out of his seat.

yoloc

Mr Bumble wrote: »

There was a padre who used to sit on a deck chair on the rock in the middle of the pool above the bridge with a box of worms and a small spinning rod. Used to catch outrageous numbers of sea trout and the odd salmon without getting out of his seat.

Whats wrong with that ?

Mr Bumble

Did I even suggest there was something wrong with that? No. I didn't. It was simply a story to illustrate how prolific a river it can be.
As it happens, said padre had to stop when the water was made fly only.
If you want an opinion about the rights and wrongs of what he was doing, it was clearly wrong as far as the law of the land, the river owner and the bailiff were concerned and if you can't see anything wrong with killing 20 sea trout and a couple of salmon in one session and repeating that over a month every summer, you're no angler.
The proverbial dog with a hammer up it's arse can clean out a small pool on a river this size with a box of worms.It's just poaching by another name.
From your responses so far in this thread, you have no real understanding of the subject matter at all and seem to want a row.
Your argument that you wouldn't put any of your children at risk for "one salmon" is just nonsense. The events relayed by Dan are real and are still happening. Should we all just roll over and let them at it with the nets and gaffs? Wouldn't want you in a trench beside me

copeyhagen

lot of touchy people in this thread.

danbrosnan

Mr Bumble wrote: »

Well worth doing Dan....keep at it. Know a few fisheries men in your area and know how bad it can get. I know the Owenmore well and the man looking after it now has his work cut out. They've been taking fish that pass by Brandon on their way to all the rivers in the south west and south for years and nobody seems to be able to deal with them. Very well organised, violent and ruthless men.
I fished it during the time mentioned and it was remarkable. First time i stood on the bridge their was a 100 sea trout and a half dozen salmon in off the tide. There was a padre who used to sit on a deck chair on the rock in the middle of the pool above the bridge with a box of worms and a small spinning rod. Used to catch outrageous numbers of sea trout and the odd salmon without getting out of his seat.

The man you mentioned was called the priest... I think he used to stay in the green acres caravan park and give all the fish he caught to the residents... He was from Belfast and he taught me all there is to know about trotting worms for sea trout... came to the river for years and stopped when my father left... I met Martin Macguinness and Jack Charlton on that river fishing when i was a young fella, the prove is in the catch records, the river was full of fish...

The reality is that the estuary was free of nets, what people have to understand is to deal with these people you have to fight fire with fire thats all the understand... this might sound incredible to some people but you need to break the law to break these people cause the law on there side not on the side of the salmon..

danbrosnan

thereitisgone wrote: »

just looked at that video, it could be quite interesting but the newspaper text changes so fast in some places it cant be read and that music is def not for your target audience, but the story looks interesting, just simple pictures of the newspaper clippings might be more informative.

Thanks for your help... They were thrown up and the main piece will be a lot better...

danbrosnan

Mr Bumble wrote: »

I fished it during the time mentioned and it was remarkable. First time i stood on the bridge their was a 100 sea trout and a half dozen salmon in off the tide.

Very sad you dont see this anymore...

Mr Bumble

danbrosnan wrote: »

The man you mentioned was called the priest... I think he used to stay in the green acres caravan park and give all the fish he caught to the residents... He was from Belfast and he taught me all there is to know about trotting worms for sea trout... came to the river for years and stopped when my father left... I met Martin Macguinness and Jack Charlton on that river fishing when i was a young fella, the prove is in the catch records, the river was full of fish...

The reality is that the estuary was free of nets, what people have to understand is to deal with these people you have to fight fire with fire thats all the understand... this might sound incredible to some people but you need to break the law to break these people cause the law on there side not on the side of the salmon..

I was there when Jack was there too.....it was around the time the whole system was up for sale........fished the white lake last year and had sea trout to 4lb.....fantastic place

danbrosnan

Mr Bumble wrote: »

I was there when Jack was there too.....it was around the time the whole system was up for sale........fished the white lake last year and had sea trout to 4lb.....fantastic place

What a river for sea trout.. that whole area has good sea trout fishing all the way along the dingle peninsula....

Mr Bumble

have boat on currane so do most of my fishing in that neck of the woods....don't know the rest of the area too well but i have fished the stream you cross on the way to Cloghane. Think it's called Scairt na Mbó. I've seen very (very) large salmon in it up in the hills....bit of a hike but worth it when you get to the deep pools....i've only fished Adoon once or twice and didn't do well but I'm told if ya get it on the right day it's impressive....big run of grilse piling up at the moment....next rain will produce some serious fishing

danbrosnan

Mr Bumble wrote: »

have boat on currane so do most of my fishing in that neck of the woods....don't know the rest of the area too well but i have fished the stream you cross on the way to Cloghane. Think it's called Scairt na Mbó. I've seen very (very) large salmon in it up in the hills....bit of a hike but worth it when you get to the deep pools....i've only fished Adoon once or twice and didn't do well but I'm told if ya get it on the right day it's impressive....big run of grilse piling up at the moment....next rain will produce some serious fishing

I know the 'scairt na bo' river, I call it mochanabo because thats the name of the valley, it has become a serious spot for downhill mountain biking... I had one salmon out of it last year and seen another fish seriously about 15 pound... What a fish, very such a small river.... There is a pool at the end of the road in the valley that holds the fish, unfortunately it is well known by poachers from town, but they can't kill them all so a few survive every year the reproduce... Thank god...

The adoon river must the scorid river, it runs out of loch an dun, my French friends had a sea trout of five pounds out of there but you really need to get the rivers in spate and from August on are the best months, as you obviously know, yourself, I have the worms dug and I will be flat out all through fishing all them rivers, I will let you know how I get on...

Mr Bumble

Adoon's the second stream okay.....i've seen bigger than 15....maybe 25+ in mochananbo ....some say it has the biggest fish in Kerry which would be amazing if true given the size of it.....i know the pool. It's very deep and i'm told it's not that easy to poach. The big fish are still there I'm told. I got a grilse there in 2007 but was broken a half dozen times on the same day....started on 4lb and finally got one to stick with 12lb line on.....put me in my place!!!!

danbrosnan

Mr Bumble wrote: »

Adoon's the second stream okay.....i've seen bigger than 15....maybe 25+ in mochananbo ....some say it has the biggest fish in Kerry which would be amazing if true given the size of it.....i know the pool. It's very deep and i'm told it's not that easy to poach. The big fish are still there I'm told. I got a grilse there in 2007 but was broken a half dozen times on the same day....started on 4lb and finally got one to stick with 12lb line on.....put me in my place!!!!

If I could ask, what month? And was it after the spate or on spate... I only had luck there last year, for me the rest of the river is not great for fishing, only that pool, the banks go away under so maybe that's why it's hard to poach... Thank god.. There be noting left for us...

Mr Bumble

Late July and after a thunderstorm......rose and fell very quickly, two or three hours in it and I was lucky.......was told to fish it at that time over the owenmore so the man who told me knew his stuff....saw one huge fish and he wasn't surprised when i mentioned it. Fished the Laune a few days later and said it to a lad i know there. He had a similar experience in the early 80s so they're hangin in there.
Where do you reckon has the biggest in Kerry? There was a 28lb fish taken in currane a few years back tho no photo and it went back. I came across a huge hen fish dead in the blackwater in the same year which was 25+. I remember seeing 30lb fish taken in the nets down by the cashen when I was a kid and I've also heard that Glencar has big things tho i've never had much luck there.

yoloc

Mr Bumble wrote: »

I remember seeing 30lb fish taken in the nets down by the cashen when I was a kid and I've also heard that Glencar has big things tho i've never had much luck there.

Are you sure it just didnt look like a 30+lber when you were a kid. The reason why i ask is that salmon mesh aloud back then was 4.5inch and only caught upto 25lb salmon. You would need 6inch mesh for the 30+ salmon and that was banned back then, still is i think

danbrosnan

yoloc wrote: »

Are you sure it just didnt look like a 30+lber when you were a kid. The reason why i ask is that salmon mesh aloud back then was 4.5inch and only caught upto 25lb salmon. You would need 6inch mesh for the 30+ salmon and that was banned back then, still is i think

I'd say the boys in Cashen that time were completely law abiding and put back the fish... And used the proper mesh...

danbrosnan

danbrosnan wrote: »

I'd say the boys in Cashen that time were completely law abiding and put back the fish... And used the proper mesh...

A well known angler from the feale told me they using herring nets at the cashen at night... Anybody with a bit of interest check out the the nomad of the seas... They a group of scientists from Ireland studying sea trout, they caught tiny lehane sea trout with net marks... Sure the feale is a example of how a river can suffer from complete non management, catch and release up to may, and very low catch numbers all the way through, the feale should be one of the best rivers in Europe never mind ireland...

Mr Bumble

You might be right.......kids eyes see things big......we went down to Ballyb for July every year tho and I was used to seeing salmon.....remember one year when there were so many that they were piling them ten deep and twenty high in banks along the estuary. They were towing currachs out through the fast water so they could set nets off the beach ........was there last year for a day and the only lads pulling nets were in their 60s and older.....sad in one way but the Feale is having a woeful year so far for rods even without the nets on.
I have a photo somewhere of two men after a day on the blackwater with a clothes rack of salmon and two of them are 30+ or I'm a frog....I think it's from the 50s.

danbrosnan

Ya but i do believe commercial netting for salmon should be completely banned.. its worth too much financially from a tourism point of view..

danbrosnan

Owenmore river now catch and release… doesn't not have sufficient stock for angling, a sad day for the dingle peninsula…

dazza161989

danbrosnan wrote: »

Owenmore river now catch and release… doesn't not have sufficient stock for angling, a sad day for the dingle peninsula…

all year??? Very sad day dan but often these measures are neccesary..... Hopefully we will follow the trend of scotland and wales with regards to salmon and seatrout, and introduce the correct protocols and measures needed to restore our rivers former glory.

danbrosnan

dazza161989 wrote: »

all year??? Very sad day dan but often these measures are neccesary..... Hopefully we will follow the trend of scotland and wales with regards to salmon and seatrout, and introduce the correct protocols and measures needed to restore our rivers former glory.

You got to stop the salmon being killed all over our coast day and night by illegal nets. Your own river the feale is being fleeced night and day around the cashen. Catch and Release is a joke when you have paying anglers from all over europe coming here to fish for the salmon and our own authorities can't stop the poaching thats widespread. Its all a con and now we have highly educated people who have no experience out in the field telling us what to do. There is four places on the dingle peninsula where there is nets all year around, Brandon, Lispole, Aughcalsa and Ananscual. Any body thats out fishing and knows the land, will tell you this. All the rivers in them localities are catch and release and they wondering why that is.

dazza161989

danbrosnan wrote: »

You got to stop the salmon being killed all over our coast day and night by illegal nets. Your own river the feale is being fleeced night and day around the cashen. Catch and Release is a joke when you have paying anglers from all over europe coming here to fish for the salmon and our own authorities can't stop the poaching thats widespread. Its all a con and now we have highly educated people who have no experience out in the field telling us what to do. There is four places on the dingle peninsula where there is nets all year around, Brandon, Lispole, Aughcalsa and Ananscual. Any body thats out fishing and knows the land, will tell you this. All the rivers in them localities are catch and release and they wondering why that is.

i live dwn at the cashen myself...... Its not near as bad as it used to be but of course there are still the usual suspects!!! Do you fish anascaul often??

danbrosnan

dazza161989 wrote: »

i live dwn at the cashen myself...... Its not near as bad as it used to be but of course there are still the usual suspects!!! Do you fish anascaul often??

I started competition shore angling last year and that has taken over to be honest, i have fished anascual once last year caught a lovely fish in the lake he was either a big sea trout or small salmon, lost him on the bank due to barbless hooks which you have to use now fishing there.. It makes it almost impossible to land fish.. i fished the river twice and caught noting but the place has small big fish in it…

I fished mochnoboo or the glenahoo river twice again hooked a beauty of a salmon but again lost him, and i fished the laune once and again guess what lost him too…. so i was out five times and lost three fish.. disaster.. People wouldn't believe you but i have bought a head camera this year to upload videos onto youtube etc…

Anascual a beautiful river really is, i remember seeing a pool above the second bridge in august five years full with sea trout, there had to be close to 300 sea trout in the one pool… Un believable stuff…

dazza161989

danbrosnan wrote: »

I started competition shore angling last year and that has taken over to be honest, i have fished anascual once last year caught a lovely fish in the lake he was either a big sea trout or small salmon, lost him on the bank due to barbless hooks which you have to use now fishing there.. It makes it almost impossible to land fish.. i fished the river twice and caught noting but the place has small big fish in it…

I fished mochnoboo or the glenahoo river twice again hooked a beauty of a salmon but again lost him, and i fished the laune once and again guess what lost him too…. so i was out five times and lost three fish.. disaster.. People wouldn't believe you but i have bought a head camera this year to upload videos onto youtube etc…

Anascual a beautiful river really is, i remember seeing a pool above the second bridge in august five years full with sea trout, there had to be close to 300 sea trout in the one pool… Un believable stuff…

ya it can take a while to get used to barbless hooks but there grand as long as you keep pressure/tension.

danbrosnan

dazza161989 wrote: »

ya it can take a while to get used to barbless hooks but there grand as long as you keep pressure/tension.

your dead right, hard to land the fish and not retrieve on tension… it won't happen this season…