Terminator Genisys

ZeitgeistGlee

6.5/10 is probably fair. Overall better than T3 and especially Salvation but quite a bit behind T2 and the original.

Lead casting was poor, Courtney and Clarke had zero chemistry with one another and as their even for them their deliveries were bland at times. Arnie, Jason Clarke and particularly J.K. Simmons picked up the slack well with their scenes though.

Matt Smith as Skynet

overacted IMO, I don't know if it was intentional or not but the scene at the time machine where he basically looks directly into the camera was facepalm inducing.

Avoided trailers for the movie so

Connor becoming a Terminator was actually a surprise for me

. I don't know whether the scriptwriters had played a lot of Mass Effect before writing TG but between that and

Genisys/Skynet's child hologram

I got serious flashbacks to ME3 (not a good thing). The CGI for

Connor's Terminator

reminded me of Age of Extinction's man-made Transformers as well though it raised the question of how

he travelled back in time if he's composed completely of nanites

, though the same could be said for the T1000.

Plot was about what I expected, felt overly complicated and yet at the same time pretty stupid in ways. Some nice homages to T1 and T2 though. For the life of me I still can't understand why Reese felt it was a good idea to

travel forward to the day Genisys comes online as against you know, a decent bit before so they weren't doing everything on the fly

.

Connor's take on his own necessity

to the timeline is questionable at best, delusional at worst. Ending felt oddly final when there's two sequels on the horizon.

Most enjoyable aspect of the movie for me was Arnie himself, he clearly had a lot of fun with the role while trying not to be the lead and yet still outshining his castmates whenever they were on-screen together.

"Old, not obsolete."

was a deceptively catchy line.

Overall it was alright, nothing special but better than the two which came before it. For the sequels I hope they drop Clarke and Courtney for better leads and cut out a lot of extraneous time-travel nonsense. Upping the age rating to have some more visceral action scenes might help too.

Did anyone else find that the humour, such as Arnold trying to smile, really didn't fit whatsoever?

SouthTippBass

ZeitgeistGlee wrote: »

Ending felt oddly final when there's two sequels on the horizon.

Theres a mid credit scene that shows

skynet survived. Yep, no character actually died in this movie. Not even Arnie this time, which is a first for the terminator series.

SouthTippBass

psinno wrote: »

He couldn't kill her as he still needs to be born. He was there to make sure Skynet was created since it couldn't be created from the terminator sent back to 1984 as Sarah destroyed that properly or at least didn't leave its cpu in the Cyberdyne Systems factory for them to make Skynet from.

Yeah, but

Does it even matter of he's not born in this time line any more? He's an immortal terminator now, with all of Johns memories. Sure what can a reborn John Connor bring to the table that he can't? Also, 20mins after this scene, he's trying to kill them again in a bus chase, so I just don't know what his motives were supposed to be.

the_monkey

Absolute drivel ...... utter utter utter twaddle.

The 1st 20 minutes I thought were pretty cool, I liked how they re did the T1 original scenes ... but my god , it just got worse and worse and worse.

Dialog between Sara Connor and Reece was cringeworthy .... John Connor was just ****e - all the time as good or bad John.

Arnie was actually better then the Arnie in T3 .. and I actually found some of the humour good.

But overall really terrible movie, didn't feel like a Terminator movie at all.
I mean who wrote this crap ? are they professional scriptwriters ? or did they just find some whino in MacDonalds and offered
him the gig ?





Only good thing was the cinema did a screening of The Terminator before this movie and it was my 1st time seeing the original on the big screen so that was great - pity it wasn't 2nd tho, to wash the Genisys crap from my mind.

the_monkey

I missed the mid credit scene , what happened ?

ZeitgeistGlee

SouthTippBass wrote: »

Theres a mid credit scene that shows

skynet survived. Yep, no character actually died in this movie. Not even Arnie this time, which is a first for the terminator series.

Really? Feck. Didn't bother staying after the credits started to roll. Ugh, damn Marvel for introducing that nonsense.

OU812

the_monkey wrote: »

I missed the mid credit scene , what happened ?

ZeitgeistGlee wrote: »

Really? Feck. Didn't bother staying after the credits started to roll. Ugh, damn Marvel for introducing that nonsense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bACKqMrhcZ8

It's not very good, or imaginative.

Also, how in the hell did Arnie become so knowledgeable about time travel?

ps3lover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXJiSZhA5cg

the_monkey

SouthTippBass

Deleted User wrote: »

Also, how in the hell did Arnie become so knowledgeable about time travel?

My thoughts as well, for an infiltration unit he had an awful lot of information. Seemed kind of strange at the time....

Also, everybody has a time machine now. Sure what does doing anything matter anymore when everyone can just go back in time again and again.

Carlos Orange

SouthTippBass wrote: »

My thoughts as well, for an infiltration unit he had an awful lot of information. Seemed kind of strange at the time....

It doesn't seem that strange since he was specifically modified for the task by whoever sent him back. Plus in any work of fiction things tend to move at the speed of plot.

Bacchus

As it was put in T2 by the t-800 itself...
"My CPU is a neural-net processor; a learning computer. But Skynet presets the switch to read-only when we're sent out alone."

So they all have the capacity to learn, they are just configured by Skynet to not think for themselves.

I'm pretty sure this links back into a theory as to why Skynet doesn't deploy T-1000's in the field. Skynet is afraid of it's own war machines, that maybe they'll get the idea that they don't like how things are run and turn against Skynet itself.

ZeitgeistGlee

Bacchus wrote: »

I'm pretty sure this links back into a theory as to why Skynet doesn't deploy T-1000's in the field. Skynet is afraid of it's own war machines, that maybe they'll get the idea that they don't like how things are run and turn against Skynet itself.

Sounds quite plausible, they were referred to directly as "an army of slaves" during the movie.

weemcd

This was much better than I was expecting. Think people are being very hard on it, don't go into this film with too much expectation and you might be surprised.

After watching the trailer with the John Connor reveal I was expecting a convoluted mess of time line travelling but the story remained fairly coherent.

Of course there were plot holes, like there is in any Sci Fi. However I actually quite liked it, some of the humour too. They also introduced a few ideas that have legs, that could be developed should they continue to make more.

It's 100 times better than Salvation and probably on par or slightly better than T3, which I'm due a re-watch of.

Also watching the Terminator Chronicles TV series, which again has been a pleasant surprise for me.

Goodshape

SouthTippBass wrote: »

My thoughts as well, for an infiltration unit he had an awful lot of information. Seemed kind of strange at the time....

SouthTippBass

Goodshape wrote: »

Thank you!

SirLemonhead

weemcd wrote: »

This was much better than I was expecting. Think people are being very hard on it, don't go into this film with too much expectation and you might be surprised.

After watching the trailer with the John Connor reveal I was expecting a convoluted mess of time line travelling but the story remained fairly coherent.

Of course there were plot holes, like there is in any Sci Fi. However I actually quite liked it, some of the humour too. They also introduced a few ideas that have legs, that could be developed should they continue to make more.

It's 100 times better than Salvation and probably on par or slightly better than T3, which I'm due a re-watch of.

Also watching the Terminator Chronicles TV series, which again has been a pleasant surprise for me.

Haha I was with you until the bit about the TV series

KingBrian2

Deleted User wrote: »

Also, how in the hell did Arnie become so knowledgeable about time travel?

He is a machine possessing the memory engrams of Skynet, he stores all kinds of technological knowledge.

B.A._Baracus

Saw this earlier tonight. Personally I think it's better than Salvation but not as good as Terminator 3. Let's be honest it could never beat terminator 1 or 2 so it's fair to not even compare it to them.

Have to agree with others and say the first 30 minutes or so is really good. The

1984 part

was quite enjoyable. But personally I think when the film

moves to 2017

it drops.

One of the biggest stupid things was

John Connor becoming a machine. It just doesn't make any sense what so ever. Almost like the writers said "wouldnt it be different if the main good guy of the series was actually bad?"

ZeitgeistGlee

Deleted User wrote: »

Also, how in the hell did Arnie become so knowledgeable about time travel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UylAeQ_0pq4

Gwynplaine

Jason Clarke is terrible. How did they think he'd be a good choice? And what the hell is going on with his teeth?

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Which backs my point - the drop off will be about 50% week on week so it'll be at around $65m next Monday and $80m the Monday after that and so on. Your standard wide release has three weeks to make its money in the States. Obviously overseas it takes longer as markets open at different points, some may take a while to be known.

Close enough to award myself a gold star!

Terminator: Genisys Par. $13,700,000 -49.3% 3,783 +25 $3,621 $68,718,000

TheDoc

Still torn on wether to go see this or not.

Absolute adore Terminator, love Arnie, but need to be selective with films I go to see. Something just screams wait for home viewing on this

Seanachai

TheDoc wrote: »

Still torn on wether to go see this or not.

Absolute adore Terminator, love Arnie, but need to be selective with films I go to see. Something just screams wait for home viewing on this

I think all the creative people unhappy with the state of film should go into film-making and try and reinstate the old values that have been lost. A lot easier said than done though .

Pepe LeFrits

As an aside, how is it Arnie is able to build a time machine on his own in 1984 but John Connor with vast resources struggles to do the same in 2017?

IIRC they presented the T800 chip as the missing link in the 1984 machine, but that doesn't really make any sense either - they can build Skynet in 2017, you'd think they could build a CPU for the machine too...

Anyway, this movie was not very good at all. Frankly, it was dull and pretty much never felt like a Terminator movie to me. If I could bring myself to rewatch it again, I'd probably even rank Salvation above it. That was equally bland but it did occasionally feel like part of the series. Whoever said Genisys feels like a fan-fic was spot on.

py2006

Just back from this, had its moments but definitely actor choice was poor. I got seriously bored midway with the dialogue between Sarah and Kyle.

Didn't help that the group of teens behind me couldn't stop talking. Seriously, people under 20 should not be allowed into a cinema.

ZeitgeistGlee

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

As an aside, how is it

Arnie is able to build a time machine on his own

in 1984 but

John Connor

with vast resources struggles to do the same in 2017?

IIRC they presented the T800 chip as the missing link in the 1984 machine, but that doesn't really make any sense either - they can build Skynet in 2017, you'd think they could build a CPU for the machine too...

The most logical explanation for me was

that Pops's home-made time machine would only work once before frying itself (and the CPU), hence why he had to take "the long way" instead of just waiting for his flesh to reseal and then making a second jump. He needed the T-800's CPU because processors of that era wouldn't have been strong enough to make the calculations, but also because we know from T2 Arnie/Pops himself that T-800s have at least some pre-programmed knowledge of temporal theory and mechanics.

John Connor's

/Skynet's time machine on the other hand has to make at least 7-10 jumps to various different time periods depending on how many timelines Genisys acknowledges, all within a very short space of time (only a few hours) and still be functional. Processor power or the calculations likely weren't a factor so much as sustainability was. I also got the feeling

Connor

had to pull his punches with regard to his "genius" or it may have aroused suspicion. It's clear he's seen as a Tony Stark-esque omnidisciplinary scientist already.

At least, that was the explanation that made sense in my head.

On a complete sidenote, I'm surprised most people are mentioning Pop's attempts to smile being so out of place, T2 Arnie does exactly the same thing with exactly as little success.

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

I'd probably even rank Salvation above it.

Now let's not go crazy and say things we can't take back.

Confession: I watched Salvation again recently and actually enjoyed it. I've never really understood why people didn't like it?