Terminator Genisys

TinCool

**** it. I'm off to see this tomorrow night with zero expectations. De den den de den.

Mr Freeze

doncarlos wrote: »

During the credits there is a very short clip to suggest there will be another movie.

There was one of those at the end of Masters of the Universe too, and I am stilling waiting :pac:

ps3lover

Mr Freeze wrote: »

There was one of those at the end of Masters of the Universe too, and I am stilling waiting :pac:

And Street Fighter, The Last Airbender, The Golden Compass.

SouthTippBass

Mr Freeze wrote: »

There was one of those at the end of Masters of the Universe too, and I am stilling waiting :pac:

I never knew that.

FunLover18

frostyjacks wrote:

I don't get any satisfaction out of reading these bad reviews; Terminator was a big part of my childhood and it's sad to see it dying a slow death. Not long to wait for the Kermode review (the only one that really matters).

Dying a slow death! Are you serious, the original 2 are still there and still great. There's no obligation for you to see Genysis or even acknowledge it. Die Hard 4 & 5 are not very good but Die Hard is still my favourite film because it stands on its own

ps3lover wrote:

I've a feeling this will be the last Terminator movie we get for a long time.

Don't the rights revert back to Cameron in 2019?

Corvo

Re-watched Salvation last night in preparation of watching Genisys at the weekend.

It wasn't as bad as I originally thought, though I felt the final section with the T-800 was a bit confusing - one moment it has it's target dead to rights, next it throws said target against wall to once again pursue.

The whole storyline of the infiltration unit (Marcus) was going in the right direction however. Unfortunately, they too often steered from that direction and some of the action sequences were over the top.

But all in all, I kind of enjoyed it in sections.

Guess that's all I can hope for with Genisys too.

Roar

Surprised by how much I enjoyed that. Went in with absolutely zero expectations but I thought the two hours flew by - I didn't look at my watch once.

It's got problems obviously but they didn't get in the way of my enjoyment of it.

Delighted I avoided all the trailers - watching them now and I can't believe how much they gave away.

It's a solid three star flick and I'm not in any particular hurry to watch it again - next viewing will be on a hungover Sunday on the couch way down the line.

Itssoeasy

So i went to see terminator genisys today and even though i was sceptical having seen the trailer as we all know it had a huge spoiler.

But you know what it wasn't as bad as i though having seen the trailers.

matt smith is in the film but barely and its as skynet. Or at least as a human form

The nods to the previous films were nice touches but werent over done.
The action scenes were well done even if the CGI looked iffy in places with the t-1000.

Is it as good as the first two films ? Of course not and it was never going to be but its certainly not the worst of the five.

OU812

Numbers are in and it did a disappointing $9.8m on Wednesday against a cost of $155.

Magic Mike 2 did $11.5m against a cost of $15m same night.

They'd predicted an opening five day weekend of $55m which isn't great for a tent pole movie anyway. It'll be lucky if it does $45m by Monday at this rate. It's open in 60% of territories with cams starting to appear online already.

Looks like the holiday weekend will belong to Jurassic World & Inside Out.

I'm predicting a flop.

ps3lover

OU812 wrote: »

Numbers are in and it did a disappointing $9.8m on Wednesday against a cost of $155.

Magic Mike 2 did $11.5m against a cost of $15m same night.

They'd predicted an opening five day weekend of $55m which isn't great for a tent pole movie anyway. It'll be lucky if it does $45m by Monday at this rate. It's open in 60% of territories with cams starting to appear online already.

Looks like the holiday weekend will belong to Jurassic World & Inside Out.

I'm predicting a flop.

Those numbers are wrong, Terminator did $8.9 while Magic Mike did $9.3. That includes Tuesday's preview numbers.

geecee

Dunno why so many people in this thread want to pan and knock this movie before they have even seen it!

Like the few people above that HAVE actually seen the move i really enjoyed it... i went in with middling expectations and came out pleasantly surprised.

Good action, unexpected plot twists, nice comedy moments and a set up for the trilogy... what else could anyone else want!

rockatansky

geecee wrote: »

Dunno why so many people in this thread want to pan and knock this movie before they have even seen it!

Like the few people above that HAVE actually seen the move i really enjoyed it... i went in with middling expectations and came out pleasantly surprised.

Good action, unexpected plot twists, nice comedy moments and a set up for the trilogy... what else could anyone else want!

I suppose like myself, many people who post on this thread would be very big fans of the first 2 movies. It's sad to see just how bad the quality of both story and acting has deteriorated over the past 2 movies, so why would we expect anything to change with this one?

I'm sure it may live up to some peoples expectations as a stand alone movie. The fact that you mention 'nice comedy moments' already tells me a lot about this latest offering. I remember very clearly the first time I saw Terminator 3 and Arnie first appears wearing stupid big glasses, my heart sank. I knew then I was in for one of the biggest disappointments ever in a movies, and I wasn't wrong.

The only way I can ever seeing the rot stopping is when Cameron gets the rights back in 2019. Please god he'll put all this right once and for all and end this madness.

Bacchus

geecee wrote: »

Dunno why so many people in this thread want to pan and knock this movie before they have even seen it!

Like the few people above that HAVE actually seen the move i really enjoyed it... i went in with middling expectations and came out pleasantly surprised.

Good action, unexpected plot twists, nice comedy moments and a set up for the trilogy... what else could anyone else want!

To be fair, the movie is only JUST out. People have only had the trailers and early reviews to go by, and from that expectations are very low.

As rockatansky also said, T1 and T2 are iconic movies in cinema history and this looks like a cash-in designed to reach the widest audiences by reducing the violence/horror elements in favour of a Terminator called "Pops" and hitting a load of nostalgia beats (T-1000, Arnie vs Arnie, "come with me if you want to live", etc.) to lure in fans. You can see why fans would be skeptical.

Thargor

Feck it, changed my mind, I'm going to go see it...

TerrorFirmer

I'm just back from this now. I am a huge Terminator fan, and the original is by far my favorite of the franchise, with T2 an excellent sequel and T3 an acceptable one in my eyes. Firstly, I can say that the film is a decent amount better than some of the trailers suggest it would be - but it's not without it's major flaws.

It has some nice action scenes, the portrayal of the war in the yet-to-be-determined future are strong, Emilia Clarke is actually nowhere near as bad as Sarah Connor as the trailer might suggest, and some of the subtle comedy is surprisingly good -and Arnold, it has to be said, still has the charm. Whether that charm belongs in a Terminator movie at this point is entirely subjective so I'm not even going to get into it, but it worked for me in this context.

In the opposite corner, a great deal of the humor is the furthest thing from subtle and rather cringe-inducingly forced like a square peg into a circular hole. Script is also cliche in spots, and I still just can't like the eternally generic Jai Courtney. It's not to say he's bad but it's just he's never more than that - competent but forgettable. He sure as hell is a long way down the ladder from Michael Biehn's Kyle Reese. Some of the action is just too over the top for the sake of satisfying the 'summer blockbuster' criteria. The menacing tone of the first movie is almost entirely absent, which I know is understandably a major focal point for some.

It's not an amazing film. But it's entertaining and a major improvement on Terminator Salvation. I would say it's reasonable to say that if you liked Terminator 3 for what it was, then you'll probably like this as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone creates a fan-edit in time that removes several select minutes of dialogue that would go a long way towards altering the overall tone of the film. But for what it is I found it an entertaining watch that I'd be content enough to see more of down the line. It may not be the Terminator we know and love but it's a competent enough continuation that does enough to justify it's existence - I'm not sure if I liked it more or less than T3 but the fact that I'm not sure is an argument I didn't think I'd be having with myself after seeing that first trailer.

OwaynOTT

Surely this should have been called Terminator Megadrive in Europe.




I kinda liked the film but it often felt like an over the hill rock group playing their greatest hits on their second but definitely final farewell tour. Some of the nods to the older films were uninspired and just going through the motions of adding in Easter eggs.

ancapailldorcha

As long as you're not expecting anything of the same quality as the first 2 (or 3?) films then you'll find this to be perfectly serviceable popcorn fodder.

As with most Marvel films, there's an over-reliance on humour which is more miss than hit which just ends up killing off any tension or drama. Fortunately, the film seems to realise this and the humour is dumped about half way through and the latter half of the film is much stronger for it.

The whole film feels completely unnecessary as it merely digs up old ground while of adding very little that's new. There are a few nice ideas such as

Kyle finding out that he's John's father and that he died in the original story

but naturally such ideas are quickly mentioned and then promptly discarded.

The action scenes are the usual fare; CGI heavy and over the top. It's fine popcorn fodder as noted above as long as your expectations are suitable adjusted.

Tenzor07

Seen it yesterday, went in knowing a lot of the plot twists from the trailer, but was still enough in there to keep things interesting.

Jai Courtney, erm... he looks like he's a bit lost in the movie, wooden acting, a poor imitation of Michael Biehn.
Emilia Clarke, completely unconvincing as Sarah Conor Warrior princess! Maybe her age, but she looks like she'd be more comfortable in some teen movie?
Jason Clarke, yea grand, didn't make much of an impact in his character.
J.K Simmons, not really given too much to do.

Thankfully good old Arnie was there to babysit the main characters through the movie and try keep them on track!

All in all, yea definitely go see it, but all the messing with the timeline, is just like how they scrambled up Star Trek!

Looper007

I find it sad from some people who already saw it that basically the vibe I'm getting is "It's so-so but go see it anyway cause you know it's a Terminator film", that's the problem with us cinema goers today, we're happy to accept any old rubbish they give us.

Mr Freeze

Looper007 wrote: »

I find it sad from some people who already saw it that basically the vibe I'm getting is "It's so-so but go see it anyway cause you know it's a Terminator film", that's the problem with us cinema goers today, we're happy to accept any old rubbish they give us.

I agree with ya, vote with your wallet.

TerrorFirmer

Looper007 wrote: »

I find it sad from some people who already saw it that basically the vibe I'm getting is "It's so-so but go see it anyway cause you know it's a Terminator film", that's the problem with us cinema goers today, we're happy to accept any old rubbish they give us.

Speak for yourself. Personally, I'm sick of this persistent whinging about how the masses are seemingly happy to lap up any drivel going - happy to accept any old rubbish, as you put it. It's used as a stick far too often to beat down films deemed irredeemable crap by those who often ironically haven't even seen the movies they're bashing.

The Fast and Furious franchise springs to mind, absolute tool on the 'worst films' thread constantly moaning about it, at one point stating that it's mindless drivel for 'mouth drooling imbeciles'. It later emerged on the same thread that he hadn't even seen any of the movies.

I choose to go and see Terminator Genisys and I enjoyed it. Some people seem to think that 'entertaining' is synonymous with 'rubbish'. It's not. A bad film is simply a bad film; Terminator Genisys isn't a brilliant Terminator film but it's a decent and entertaining one and I certainly wouldn't consider it a bad film and certainly not rubbish. If I only went to see critically acclaimed films, I wouldn't see a fraction of the movies I do on an annual basis - and I do see rubbish films on a regular basis, but the vast majority at least justify the ticket price and mostly exceed that expectation, Genisys included.

No-one is forcing you to 'accept' the film. Don't go and see it, it's a personal choice, and the original films are still there for you to enjoy now and forever more.

Dempsey

Arnie looked like he was there to babysit the franchise.

All the non cameron films are weak in their own ways and this is no different. They managed to stitch a poor story around all the cgi they had, unlike Cameron where the story came first and foremost.

The acting was by the numbers stuff from everyone and there was stuff they could have focussed more on.

Popcorn fodder, nothing more. I thought the 3D in this was a joke tbh

Looper007

Looper007 wrote: »

I find it sad from some people who already saw it that basically the vibe I'm getting is "It's so-so but go see it anyway cause you know it's a Terminator film", that's the problem with us cinema goers today, we're happy to accept any old rubbish they give us.

Or maybe some people, myself included enjoy going to the cinema and watching something a little fun that doesn't take itself too seriously. I love the first two Terminator films and enjoyed 3 and 4 and everything I've seen and heard about Genisys seems to indicate that it's an enjoyable blockbuster than entertains. Looking out the window, on my day off work and I'm thinking that an afternoon screening is in order. People writing the film off based on a few trailers are just wrong and those writing it off based on the rating it received are down right idiots, I'm all for voting with my wallet, it's why I never preorder a game but advising people to downland the film, as many are doing only hurts us in the long run.

I think that because of channels like HBO, people now a days mistake gratuitous sex and violence as being the defining characteristics of serious, adult entertainment. This isn't the case, some of the most adult television is happening not on premier cable channels like HBO bur rather on basic cable. Shows like Longmire and Mr. Robot tackle serious adult issues and never use over the top sex or violence to appeal. I have no doubt that Genisys is going to be pretty easy to watch fluff but a 12 or PG13 rating does not mean that a film cannot be adult. I'd much prefer a 12 rated film that tackled adult issues than I would an 18 cert that was just needless sex and violence.

Corvo

Deleted User wrote: »

Or maybe some people, myself included enjoy going to the cinema and watching something a little fun that doesn't take itself too seriously. I love the first two Terminator films and enjoyed 3 and 4 and everything I've seen and heard about Genisys seems to indicate that it's an enjoyable blockbuster than entertains. Looking out the window, on my day off work and I'm thinking that an afternoon screening is in order. People writing the film off based on a few trailers are just wrong and those writing it off based on the rating it received are down right idiots, I'm all for voting with my wallet, it's why I never preorder a game but advising people to downland the film, as many are doing only hurts us in the long run.

I think that because of channels like HBO, people now a days mistake gratuitous sex and violence as being the defining characteristics of serious, adult entertainment. This isn't the case, some of the most adult television is happening not on premier cable channels like HBO bur rather on basic cable. Shows like Longmire and Mr. Robot tackle serious adult issues and never use over the top sex or violence to appeal. I have no doubt that Genisys is going to be pretty easy to watch fluff but a 12 or PG13 rating does not mean that a film cannot be adult. I'd much prefer a 12 rated film that tackled adult issues than I would an 18 cert that was just needless sex and violence.

Nail on the head Darko

frostyjacks

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Or maybe some people, myself included enjoy going to the cinema and watching something a little fun that doesn't take itself too seriously. I love the first two Terminator films and enjoyed 3 and 4 and everything I've seen and heard about Genisys seems to indicate that it's an enjoyable blockbuster than entertains. Looking out the window, on my day off work and I'm thinking that an afternoon screening is in order. People writing the film off based on a few trailers are just wrong and those writing it off based on the rating it received are down right idiots, I'm all for voting with my wallet, it's why I never preorder a game but advising people to downland the film, as many are doing only hurts us in the long run.

I think that because of channels like HBO, people now a days mistake gratuitous sex and violence as being the defining characteristics of serious, adult entertainment. This isn't the case, some of the most adult television is happening not on premier cable channels like HBO bur rather on basic cable. Shows like Longmire and Mr. Robot tackle serious adult issues and never use over the top sex or violence to appeal. I have no doubt that Genisys is going to be pretty easy to watch fluff but a 12 or PG13 rating does not mean that a film cannot be adult. I'd much prefer a 12 rated film that tackled adult issues than I would an 18 cert that was just needless sex and violence.

Do you know what "gratuitous" means? Unnecessary; uncalled for. Violence in a Terminator movie is absolutely necessary. This is what they do.

If you remove that element from the story, then it's going to feel a little flat. Would you expect people to go see a comedy that had all the funny jokes removed? I'm sure Genysis is not altogether bad, but don't label people idiots for stating the obvious flaws with this money-spinner.

ancapailldorcha

frostyjacks wrote: »

Do you know what "gratuitous" means? Unnecessary; uncalled for. Violence in a Terminator movie is absolutely necessary. This is what they do.

If you remove that element from the story, then it's going to feel a little flat. Would you expect people to go see a comedy that had all the funny jokes removed? I'm sure Genysis is not altogether bad, but don't label people idiots for stating the obvious flaws with this money-spinner.

There's nothing wrong with violence, sex, etc being present in films as long as they serve the narrative. It's when they're deployed as a means of padding or to "sex up" the film that those elements become gratuitous.

Genisys is a laugh. If you like the look of the trailer, go see it. I prefer serious films but I like a treat now and then as well.

ps3lover

Has anyone been telling people to download this movie? I don't think I've seen that, not here anyway.

the_monkey

Kermode's review should be available soon , afaik his show on radio 5 was on today ..

AMKC

Deleted User wrote: »

Fast and Furious 5 is the best in the franchise and one of the best big budget blockbusters ever made.

Really I was dissapointed with 5 did not think it was the best and was way over hyped to me 6 is the best.

Paleface

I think its a damning indictment of this movie when people say its good just because it happens not to be the the worst in the history of the franchise. In other words if it had never been made no one would have missed out.

The sad part for me is that this franchise is only still in existence as people are trying to make money from it. If they tried harder to make a good movie that was anyway close to the standard of James Cameron's originals they would absolutely clean up at the box office.

The idea of making something mediocre and then counting on people to go along in there droves knowing that its mediocre from reading reviews etc. seems like a dumb strategy.