Terminator Genisys

MrWalsh

e_e wrote: »

IMDB rating is always ridiculously inflated before release. Think last year Godzilla had a 9.2 or something close. :pac:

There was no rating until release. It just went up a couple of hours ago. It's down to 7.9 now while the tomatometer is on 17%.

All of it is pretty meaningless initially.

DoYouEvenLift

Mister Vain wrote: »

They should have got Christopher Nolan to direct it. It would be interesting to see what he'd do with it.

Not just direct but also write it with his brother Jona as well, they actually could do a decent job with the time travelling concept and their names attached alongside the franchise would instantly make it a >$500m blockbuster. He's a big enough director to be allowed more freedom as well.

Apparently he was sought after to direct a James Bond movie down the line. I wouldn't really like to see him doing franchises like this though, as good as he could do them. I'd rather he worked on more originals with his brother.

bullvine

Nolan is the only man who turn around this franchise!

pixelburp

Man if I had a penny everytime someone suggested Christopher Nolan as their dream director for a franchise! I don't think you'd need a Nolan to put the series back to rights; like a lot of other franchises I think the rot set in the moment it became a profit-making money-spinner and control moved to a studio. You can't recreate the kind of bottled lightning that would have existed with a grungy low-budget action-horror like The Terminator, it's practically the polar opposite to the methodologies of a major studio.

johnny_ultimate

Seriously, get Abbas Kiarostami, Tsai Ming Liang or Apichatpong Weerasethakul in, they're the only ones who can fix this franchise!

'Get Nolan to do it' isn't some magic fix all solution. Ignoring the fact that I see little in either his trademark style or the mood of the first two Terminators that make film and franchise a logical couple, as pixelburp said there's more fundamental issues here.

Not looking good...

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/terminator_genisys/

MrWalsh

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Not looking good...

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/terminator_genisys/

Thats still only 6 reviews though. Since yesterday?

the_monkey

There are some conflicting reviews up for sure ... imdb has some good user reviews (but they sound too good to be true) and some terrible ones.

7.8 on imdb (and falling)

RT 17% - avg. rating of 5.3/10 :eek:

I think I'll go and leave after the Arnie v Arnie fight :cool:

the_monkey

Looking forward to what Mark Kermode says about this too ..

frostyjacks

the_monkey wrote: »

Looking forward to what Mark Kermode says about this too ..

I'd like him to give it both barrels, but I expect he'll just give it a dithering review.

Cheered myself up with Peter Bradshaw's review of the original on it's re-release.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jun/25/the-terminator-review-return-of-the-classic-80s-action-behemoth

I love his description of Arnie's physique, "Each of his pecs is the size of a bull's flank".

the_monkey

This weekend I re watched both Cameron's films on bluray and reminded myself no matter how bad the new one or t3 or t. Salvation is - nothing touches the original masterpieces - it's not like a George Lucas job on re editing the originals to suit his new fantasy of the story - Cameron would never allow it.

Untouched classics.

Also will be going to a showing of T2 on the big screen soon

py2006

the_monkey wrote: »

Also will be going to a showing of T2 on the big screen soon

Who what where why when

the_monkey

py2006 wrote: »

Who what where why when

Barcelona sorry

http://www.phenomena-experience.com/programacion.php?p=2

py2006

I assume this has been spoken about already, but how/why was Matt Smith cut from this?

Edit: Or was he???

FortuneChip

py2006 wrote: »

I assume this has been spoken about already, but how/why was Matt Smith cut from this?

Edit: Or was he???

I don't think he was.

Seeing as the main trailer gave away such a "game-changing" spoiler, I imagine they've kept another twist up their sleeve, and I'm expecting it's to do with Matt's character.

Only a few more days until we find out.

py2006

FortuneChip wrote: »

I don't think he was.

Seeing as the main trailer gave away such a "game-changing" spoiler, I imagine they've kept another twist up their sleeve, and I'm expecting it's to do with Matt's character.

Only a few more days until we find out.

Oh I thought Matts character was

Johns redheaded friend that was on bike with him and at the arcade at the start of T2.

??

Mitch Connor

FortuneChip wrote: »

I don't think he was.

Seeing as the main trailer gave away such a "game-changing" spoiler, I imagine they've kept another twist up their sleeve, and I'm expecting it's to do with Matt's character.

Only a few more days until we find out.

My mate, a movie reviewer, has seen this - so don't read if you don't want an answer to this:

John Connor/Terminator thing is the twist in the movie, according to him. It is revealed late in the movie, and is the twist I feared it would be, so they ruined the movie with the trailer.

frostyjacks

I wish I could send a Terminator back to stop these crap sequels from being made.

doubledown

Okay. Just saw this. And I can't believe I'm about to say this but - it wasn't completely awful.

I mean, it wasn't very good. It had massive plot holes. Odd pacing. Dumb ideas.

But I enjoyed it. And the audience seemed to too.

Touches of humour. Decent effects. And a heart.

I'd even go so far to say that it was better than T3.

I'll probably never watch it again but it wasn't the complete car crash I was expecting.

Simon2015

doubledown wrote: »

Okay. Just saw this. And I can't believe I'm about to say this but - it wasn't completely awful.

I mean, it wasn't very good. It had massive plot holes. Odd pacing. Dumb ideas.

But I enjoyed it. And the audience seemed to too.

Touches of humour. Decent effects. And a heart.

I'd even go so far to say that it was better than T3.

I'll probably never watch it again but it wasn't the complete car crash I was expecting.

Where did you see it ?

doubledown

Simon2015 wrote: »

Where did you see it ?

The Savoy

Premiere / Multimedia / Press screening

melekalikimaka

Very mneh. When arnie is heads above rest in the acting front you know it's bad

nix

doubledown wrote: »

The Savoy

Premiere / Multimedia / Press screening

Just back from it too myself, but eh, it was a pretty crappy movie if im honest. Predictable and a horrible horrible cast for the main leads. Arnie was decent, but was mainly used as comedic relief. Emilia and Jai were cringe to watch, JK Simmons was great but not in it much, regarding

Matt Smith, he is hardly in it either and plays the form of skynet

The cast was actually pretty good thinking of it bar the main leads, there was potential to make a great movie but they shit the bed with the story in my opinion. Its just a roller coaster of OTT cgi action and cheesey acting with a boring predictable story.

It may have been alot more enjoyable if the trailers didnt give away every single possible plot twist that may have made one go "auh cool"

DoYouEvenLift

Lol so would you guys say they more than likely included those plot twists in the trailer as a desperate effort to interest people into seeing it?

Dair76

Clarke is terrible in Game of Thrones. No surprise she can't do it on the big screen either.

mark13

Was at the screening earlier and it brings me no joy to say, I really hated it. The first 20 mins was solid nostalgia and threw out some fun new ideas, but that's were the fun ended for me. If I may be pedantic, there's something small that really annoyed me about the movie, it was Arnie's performance.

I have an odd loyalty to Schwarzenegger, I've seen all his movies, some many times, since childhood he's been a hero of mine, I've enjoyed all of them, for one reason or another, but this was just terrible, it would seem time has caught up with him.

For the first Terminator he spent a month at a shooting range, practicing weapons stripping and reassembly blindfolded until the motions were automatic. During filming he spent hours at a shooting range, practicing with different weapons without blinking or looking at them while reloading or cocking. If you watch the movie, it's clear this paid off, his actions are precise, machine-like.

His performance in this was abysmal, it really took me out of it, his fingers are always moving, his eyes are darting around, as silly as this sounds, there's no sense of stillness, his delivery of the dialogue is all over the place - at no point would you think he's attempting to play a robot..unfortunately now he just looks like a well built 50 something in cargo pants and a hoodie.

The rest of the movie is boring time travel mumbo jumbo, without a single stand-out action sequence. As a big terminator fan I really wanted to enjoy it, but it's just a mess.

Arghus

There's been a lot of back and forth here over the last few pages about whether this movie needs glorious ultra-violence to succeed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba-IxExvKb0

If you're going to give me any kind of violence, make it movie-violence. That video is an audio-visual orgy of everything we can not expect from this Terminator, and I for one find that sad and depressing.

FortuneChip

Courtney is still bland, no surprises.
Matt Smith is criminally underused, I think they missed one here.
Emilia doesn't knock it out of the park, and she's not Linda Hamilton in terms of physique, but thought she was actually decent enough.
Arnie & Jason are up the task.

So, it's all a bit silly. Lots of time-travel "what if's" and half developed "theoretically" moments.
Action scenes are fine, none overly memorable but at the same time they're not bad, definitely not as bad as Salvation - Marcus & John getting thrown into brick walls again & again.
It's got plenty of levity as well, something Salvation was missing to no end.
Despite the plot contrivances (that tend to come with time travel), it's not too bad, and at least they tried to do something with the world.

I'd fairly low expectations, and I'd be happy enough to say it far exceeded them. This is the third best Terminator (it's up to you whether that classes as "good" or not).
I'd rather see this again than sit through Age Of Ultron a second time.

One thing for those that saw it

Did they forget to tell us who programmed Pops? Thought it was going to be explained after his arm got ripped off.

ps3lover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqxZlucOlhg

JustTheOne

Haven't seen it yet.

But what stood out for me from the trailers is arnie telling the other one I've been waiting for you

Like these are machines. There is no need to be telling eachother stuff like this, it just tells me the writers have no clue about the terminator universe.