Average putts per round...???

millerj

I am really struggling at the moment trying to play to my handicap (11) and again today shot a 92 gross in the Intermediate Scratch Cup at Muskerry G.C. Although my overall game is poor enough at the moment I counted up my putts and had 38 today for 17 holes as I chipped in on one. Basically I am averaging somewhere around 2.25 putts per hole at this rate which seems awful. What should an 'average Joe' be striving for as I am sure this is the single biggest problem with my game. The frustration is mounting following last Saturday's 96 in Tralee and Thursday's 95 at East Cork........again on both days putting was the major issue..!!, is it time for a change of putter, length of putter, grip, lesson, etc. or all of the above. Or is it simply that my confidence is so shook and if so how do you repair this?

eagle eye

Well its hard to actually tell if its all down to putting but you should be averaging around 30 putts per round and at worst 32.

You should buy a putting mat to practice 6' putts at home. Watch some putting tips on youtube or wherever you can find them. I always thought that Dave Peltz was great and really helpful and Tina Mickelson is pretty good too.

Go through their lessons and if that doesn't work then have a look at your putting grip.

DuckSlice

I average 1.84 putts per hole, I enter all my cards into golfshot which is great for keeping track of stats. Remember if you putt from the fringe that doesn't count as a putt it's an approach shot.

mag

30 for me so far this yr

mike12

Putting is a funny stat. If you are hitting 18 greens per round but more than 20 feet from the hole then 36 putts per round is great and better than PGA tour average. Putts per GIR or putts from certain distances are better stats to keep.
Mike

mag

my putts per gir (which is 49%) is 1.91

Senna

And I wonder why I went from a 15 to a 16hcp this year:rolleyes:

Ben1977

I average 33 putts so far this year. What seems to happen to me is when every think else is going well the putter lets me down.
Eg last 2 rounds

83 strokes with 32 putts
85 strokes with 38 putts

Have to learn not to aim outside the hole for those 3 to 4 footers

Mr. Larson

Here's your brother. I'm averageing 36 putts per round. I hit driver, hybrid, hybrid into a gale today to reach a Par 5 in 3 and walked off with a 7. May start practicing at home on the carpet simple as that.

Kace

millerj wrote: »

I am really struggling at the moment trying to play to my handicap (11) and again today shot a 92 gross in the Intermediate Scratch Cup at Muskerry G.C. Although my overall game is poor enough at the moment I counted up my putts and had 38 today for 17 holes as I chipped in on one. Basically I am averaging somewhere around 2.25 putts per hole at this rate which seems awful. What should an 'average Joe' be striving for as I am sure this is the single biggest problem with my game. The frustration is mounting following last Saturday's 96 in Tralee and Thursday's 95 at East Cork........again on both days putting was the major issue..!!, is it time for a change of putter, length of putter, grip, lesson, etc. or all of the above. Or is it simply that my confidence is so shook and if so how do you repair this?

For comparison, I have the same handicap as yourself - my putting average is 1.81 per hole.

michael1930

My average this year is 35, my target is 31. My handicap is 8. I would love to see others average putts, expected putts and handicap. It is a game within a game.

GreeBo

I'm 1.88 per hole and 2.04 per GIR off 8.

DuckSlice

1.84 per hole and 2.0 per GIR off 14

Dolph Starbeam

1.90 putts per round and 2.00 putts per GIR off 7.

Really struggle at times, have good days and bad days, try and tell myself before every round that I'll have no 3 putts today, have gained a lot of confidence using a Super Stroke grip from about 10 feet and in.

mag

1.66 per hole, 1.90 per gir, hc 4

coddlesangers

Anything below 2 per GIR is good. For me, any round below 33 putts is decent as i do hit a lot of greens, my irons being the strongest part of my game. Actually puts an amount of pressure on my long putts, which sometimes results in a nasty 3 stab as a consequence. Long game generally remains pretty constant, difference between good scores and poor scores is all around the green. Off 9 at the moment. Would love to have my time back as a junior again, I'd spend almost all of it around the green

saintastic

I used to use statdoctor before I started using GolfShot Lite. It was very good mainly because it compared your stats to a "bogey" golfer which I assume is 18 and a scratch golfer.

Anyway, for putting they reckon you should be looking at:


0 handicap = 29.88 putts per round
18 handicap = 33.84 putts per round

They also have similar grading for other stats and I have attached the screenshot.

I am not affiliated with statdoctor, just thought it was a practical guide over time.

LightningBolt

YayaBanana wrote: »

1.90 putts per round and 2.00 putts per GIR off 7.

Really struggle at times, have good days and bad days, try and tell myself before every round that I'll have no 3 putts today, have gained a lot of confidence using a Super Stroke grip from about 10 feet and in.

How do you lads manage to keep track of putts per round? How is GIR calculated? Surely that's not 2 shots to get onto the green given 3.9 shots per hole would leave you with a score of 70 or so per round? Not questioning your numbers just how you keep track of them!

DuckSlice

LightningBolt wrote: »

How do you lads manage to keep track of putts per round? How is GIR calculated? Surely that's not 2 shots to get onto the green given 3.9 shots per hole would leave you with a score of 70 or so per round? Not questioning your numbers just how you keep track of them!

I personally use golfshot to track all my stats, which gives you putts per round and putts per GIR. All averages.

PARlance

LightningBolt wrote: »

How do you lads manage to keep track of putts per round? How is GIR calculated? Surely that's not 2 shots to get onto the green given 3.9 shots per hole would leave you with a score of 70 or so per round? Not questioning your numbers just how you keep track of them!

Many of us use something like this http://golfshot.com/ to keep a record LB.

GIR is hitting the green in 1 (Par 3), 2 (Par 4), 3 (Par 5).
Having an average of 2.0 putts for a GIR means that someone is getting a Par on every hole (on average) where they hit a GIR.
If Yaya hit all GIR's then he would be shooting Par.
He isn't hitting all GIR's though (he mustn't be that good at all ), the best GIR stat on the PGA tour is 73%.

He's playing off 7 so he isn't a million miles from going around in par, where he is gaining the 7 shots is in the holes that he doesn't hit a GIR.

It's more likely that your putting numbers will be better for non GIR's as you are taking an extra shot to get onto the green... this extra shot will in most cases be taken from closer to the green so, in theory, you should be getting it closer to the hole and take less putts as a result.

I don't know all Yaya's stats but this may look like one of his rounds
9 GIR's and 2.0 putts per GIR = Level Par for 9 holes
9 Non GIR's and 1.8 putts per non GIR = 7.2 over for 9 holes... 9 holes multiplied by the additional 0.8 he is taken above par.
(Over the course of that round, his average putt would be 1.9 as he stated)

A lot of assumptions there but hope it gives you a feel/understanding of how it works.

Rikand

only have a couple of rounds on golfshot but

1.81 per hole

1.97 per GIR

Need to work on my putting

Anatom

I had 38 putts in my last round - just counted them up there - so an average of 2.1111 which isn't great. That included a single putt for birdie from about two feet (Unfortunately, I wasn't in the twos that day!).

My problem is just not putting the ball up to the hole. Its something I really, really need to work on. Especially with the Heritage coming up!!!!

WHIP IT!

Man, I wish I'd never opened this thread

I don't log every single round on GolfShot but going back over the last 20 rounds or so that I have logged, I've averaging exactly 2.2 putts per GIR... an astonishing amount of three-putts (and one four-putt!) in there...

GreeBo

WHIP IT! wrote: »

Man, I wish I'd never opened this thread

I don't log every single round on GolfShot but going back over the last 20 rounds or so that I have logged, I've averaging exactly 2.2 putts per GIR... an astonishing amount of three-putts (and one four-putt!) in there...

For us average Joes though thats expected.
When we are hitting GIR typically we are miles away.
The lower PPR comes from the fact that we miss greens and then chip and putt.

WHIP IT!

GreeBo wrote: »

For us average Joes though thats expected.
When we are hitting GIR typically we are miles away.
The lower PPR comes from the fact that we miss greens and then chip and putt.

Very true, I must admit though, I always feel extra pressure when putting after hitting a GIR... give me a 30-foot Par putt and I'll likely two-putt for a steady bogey more often than not... but a 30-foot birdie putt seems to bring the Golfing Pansy out in me!

WHIP IT!

Just delved a little deeper into my GolfShot stats actually (the boss aint here)... for my last 20 rounds, my putts per GIR is 2.3, but for the last five it's exactly 2.0 so that's a good sign, I guess... hitting some red-hot form on the greens!

I also hit over 26% of greens which, for a career mid-handicapper is decent, right, one-in-four? Just shows, it's the short game that's holding me back...

PARlance

WHIP IT! wrote: »

Just delved a little deeper into my GolfShot stats actually (the boss aint here)... for my last 20 rounds, my putts per GIR is 2.3, but for the last five it's exactly 2.0 so that's a good sign, I guess... hitting soem redhot form on the greens! .

Or you could look at it another way and say that you're due to average 2.6 over the next 5 rounds

WHIP IT!

ajcurry123 wrote: »

Or you could look at it another way and say that you're due to average 2.6 over the next 5 rounds

Ha! Two more rounds to be played this week... I hope to be back with more ever-improving putting stats on Saturday afternoon! :pac:

PARlance

WHIP IT! wrote: »

Ha! Two more rounds to be played this week... I hope to be back with more ever-improving putting stats on Saturday afternoon! :pac:

Form is temporary, mediocrity is permanent is my moto

WHIP IT!

ajcurry123 wrote: »

Form is temporary, mediocrity is permanent

That'll be my epitaph...

chud1234

34.5 putts per round
.
funny thing is I feel im a good putter inside 4 feet but say outside 8 no good useless .

cjfitz

14 hc
Averaging 32.6 putts per round for my last 8 rounds.

Miley Byrne

Last 20 rounds. 10 h/c

1.78 putts per hole (32.04 per round)
2.00 putts per GIR

Fairways 65%
GIR is 37%

GIR is poor compared with fairways hit but then the greens
at my home course are smaller than average. Still gotta work on the irons though.

charlieIRL

I just checked there and I had 40 putts in my last round after hitting 63% of GIR :(

ssbob

charlieIRL wrote: »

I just checked there and I had 40 putts in my last round after hitting 63% of GIR :(

WTF are you still doing parading around as a 20+ handicapper, at most I hit 3/4 greens per round, you have tour stats!!!!

For me my putting average is 34.2 putts per round, GIR stats are a woeful 2.3 though!!

If you have Golfshot and use it regularly then buy golfplan by Paul Azinger and it will show you where you are at per your handicap versus people of the same level as you who are also on Golfshot! Great App only €1.89 or something!

charlieIRL

ssbob wrote: »

WTF are you still doing parading around as a 20+ handicapper, at most I hit 3/4 greens per round, you have tour stats!!!!

For me my putting average is 34.2 putts per round, GIR stats are a woeful 2.3 though!!

If you have Golfshot and use it regularly then buy golfplan by Paul Azinger and it will show you where you are at per your handicap versus people of the same level as you who are also on Golfshot! Great App only €1.89 or something!

was only one round on a relatively easy course with very very receptive greens - once a year job!!

mike12

A low handicapper i know has a formula he uses which is simple enough. Give yourself 2 putts per GIR and 1 Putt per green missed. So if you hit 10 GIR 10*2 plus 6*1=26 putts. If you had 35 putts you will be +9 for putting if you have a handicap of 9 then u had a par day putting.
If you hit 3 GIR 3*2+15*1=21 Putts if you have 35 putts for the round then you are +14.
Works better for lower handicaps but the day you are - for your putting is the day you are scoring super.

Mike

Miley Byrne

mike12 wrote: »

A low handicapper i know has a formula he uses which is simple enough. Give yourself 2 putts per GIR and 1 Putt per green missed. So if you hit 10 GIR 10*2 plus 6*1=26 putts. If you had 35 putts you will be +9 for putting if you have a handicap of 9 then u had a par day putting.
If you hit 3 GIR 3*2+15*1=21 Putts if you have 35 putts for the round then you are +14.
Works better for lower handicaps but the day you are - for your putting is the day you are scoring super.

Mike

Sorry Mike. not sure I get it. In the first example you hit 10 greens. So 10 * 2 = 20. But you missed 6. Should that read missed 8? Or am I missing something?

Rikand

that should read missed 8 - Mike's idea is cool, but his math is awful!

ssbob

mike12 wrote: »

A low handicapper i know has a formula he uses which is simple enough. Give yourself 2 putts per GIR and 1 Putt per green missed. So if you hit 10 GIR 10*2 plus 6*1=26 putts. If you had 35 putts you will be +9 for putting if you have a handicap of 9 then u had a par day putting.
If you hit 3 GIR 3*2+15*1=21 Putts if you have 35 putts for the round then you are +14.
Works better for lower handicaps but the day you are - for your putting is the day you are scoring super.

Mike

For me on average I only hit 2 greens per round so therefore I should be hitting 20putts but my handicap is 23 so gives me 43putts?

Rikand

ssbob wrote: »

For me on average I only hit 2 greens per round so therefore I should be hitting 20putts but my handicap is 23 so gives me 43putts?

for me on average, I hit 9 green in regulation according to the golfshot app.
so 9*2 + 9*1 = 27+5 = 32 putts.

Sounds about right for me tbh

ssbob

Rickylovesuall wrote: »

for me on average, I hit 9 green in regulation according to the golfshot app.
so 9*2 + 9*1 = 27+5 = 32 putts.

Sounds about right for me tbh

"For my handicap" I must be the best putter in Ireland:pac::pac: but to counter that I am the worst driver of a golfball in Ireland:pac::pac:

PhlegmyMoses

ssbob wrote: »

"For my handicap" I must be the best putter in Ireland:pac::pac: but to counter that I am the worst driver of a golfball in Ireland:pac::pac:

I'm an excellent driver :pac:

/rainman

mike12

Sorry about the Maths, it just gets away from total putts.
If you hit 18 greens and have 36 putts you are actually putting better that a PGA pro. But if you hit 2 greens and have 36 putts its not quite as good. But 2 guys will say we are pretty much the same we had 36 putts each today.
Just by giving yourself 2 putt's per GIR and 1 for every green missed it gives you something to measure your putting day to day.