Couldn't find appropriate thread to put this.... OMG

Klunk_NZ

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/oval-talk/astonishing-hit-zealand-schools-match-085102402.html


I would be down for the count if it were me and I've played rep rugby in new zealand.

nc6000

Still didn't stop the try being scored. :P

Dravokivich

How was that fella's neck after?

toomevara

Look, I Know I'm just a big girls blouse, but I really worry when I see that level of physicality in school-age games....as a parent (two boys) I look at something like that and cringe...I'm not an utter jesse myself (used to play in the front row) but don't think I want the 'tacklee' in that clip to be either of mine....

Nippledragon

Hits like that were regular in Connacht school/underage club rugby during the 90's, seen a few players stretchered off after man and ball hits like that, but to be fair to them, they always came back for more though

.ak

The hit was late anyway.

For Paws

Cheap shot & well late. Noticed that the 'tackler' gets congratulated by one of his fellow backs even though they have conceded a fairly soft try (where was the big hit on the scorer ?). Looks like retaliation for something earlier in the game.

A2LUE42

For Paws wrote: »

Cheap shot & well late. Noticed that the 'tackler' gets congratulated by one of his fellow backs even though they have conceded a fairly soft try (where was the big hit on the scorer ?). Looks like retaliation for something earlier in the game.

Was just about to say the same. Cheap shot on the wrong man. Pretty soft try in the end.

Neil3030

New Zealand certainly don't dominate the rugby landscape on account of their committing cheap cardable fouls and concession of soft tries.

Hagz

Not late or cheap in my opinion. He was committed to the tackle before the ball was passed.

crisco10

Not sure bout anything there, doesn't look too late or hard. The 10 just got blindsided by the winger..

Teferi

Hagz wrote: »

Not late or cheap in my opinion. He was committed to the tackle before the ball was passed.

Yup, looked at it a few times and the tackler seems committed before the pass to be honest.

irishbucsfan

It wouldn't have been nearly as bad for the tackled played if he didn't just stop after passing the ball.

sydthebeat

simply a case of not seeing the tackle coming and not setting himself....

great tackle technique though

For Paws

sydthebeat wrote: »

simply a case of not seeing the tackle coming and not setting himself....

great tackle technique though

The kind of technique that comes from hitting static tackle bags.

Ball has gone, he was late. Doesn't matter if it wasn't intentionally late.

Cheap shot.

conf101

For Paws wrote: »

The kind of technique that comes from hitting static tackle bags.

Ball has gone, he was late. Doesn't matter if it wasn't intentionally late.

Cheap shot.

Surely it can only be a cheap shot if it was intentionally late? If he was committed before the ball went what can he do about it?

Hagz

He was clearly committed. People tend to let the severity of the impact influence their opinion. If the tackle had been less dramatic, there'd be no debate about it's legality. It's the impact that has people calling it a cheap shot.

sydthebeat

For Paws wrote: »

The kind of technique that comes from hitting static tackle bags.

Ball has gone, he was late. Doesn't matter if it wasn't intentionally late.

Cheap shot.

disagree... not a cheap shot as he has come from his wing as cover and took the man he lined up... the ball was passed a milli second earlier.

his technique is very good for a smaller player.. he is side on, hits ribs, keeps his head behind the runner and put fulls shoulder into it.

the only reason it looks bad is because the 10 didnt see him coming and couldnt set himself.

if i was the coach however i wouldnt be too happy with the decision making... he had the speed to cover the pass and the 10 never looked like stepping.

BionicRasher

the tackle bag/player that was hit is Kit Fawcett's son (Fawcett played a few times for the AB's back in the 70's)

CatFromHue

Big hit but bad defence.

Looks good but was worthless.

Swiwi.

This is just ludicrous. In slow mo you can see the twisting and wrenching to key stability muscles in the neck. Only Deep Heat applied for 7 days is curative. Nice run from the flyhalf though, even if he did pay for it somewhat.

The Aussie

Klunk_NZ wrote: »

I would be down for the count if it were me and I've played rep rugby in New Zealand

Play a few seasons of Rugby League and you will soon get used to late cheap shots and the odd honest hard hit.

JRant

The Aussie wrote: »

Play a few seasons of Rugby League and you will soon get used to late cheap shots and the odd honest hard hit.

They have to use their arms in the tackle now though, shock horror!

irishbucsfan

CatFromHue wrote: »

Big hit but bad defence.

Looks good but was worthless.

While this is true, it's not the fault of the tackler. It's that sort of situation where the hit is even harder out of frustration rather than malice.

Klunk_NZ

The Aussie wrote: »

Play a few seasons of Rugby League and you will soon get used to late cheap shots and the odd honest hard hit.

League is rugbys malnourished cousin with no international spectacles.

Swiwi.

Klunk_NZ wrote: »

League is rugbys malnourished cousin with no international spectacles.

There's Lebanon, Klunk-NZ. Don't forget Lebanon, they help increase the number of competitive teams. They're based out of Sydney not Beirut, of course.

fryup

should take him to court, he's got the video evidence

For Paws

Teferi wrote: »

Yup, looked at it a few times and the tackler seems committed before the pass to be honest.

Would argue that he was committed. Could he have avoided the player ?
Maybe not, but he continued to hit the player full force.
He was clearly late.
He hasn't even reached the guy before the pass is on it's way to the scorer.
(Then 2 defenders make an abject attempt to stop the scorer touching down).

Try imagining the tackler hitting a winger like that after the winger has kicked to chase.
It would clearly be called late.
Only the subsequent events (the try) mask the poor judgment involved.

The Aussie

Klunk_NZ wrote: »

League is rugbys malnourished cousin with no international spectacles.

But with harder hits than you just creamed over........

CatFromHue

irishbucsfan wrote: »

While this is true, it's not the fault of the tackler. It's that sort of situation where the hit is even harder out of frustration rather than malice.

Huh? If the tackler hadn't rushed into smashing the outhalf he would have noticed the outhalf was going to pass the ball. If he'd been paying more attention or a been a bit more cerebal he could have actually tackled the guy who scored the try!

Piliger

Klunk_NZ wrote: »

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/oval-talk/astonishing-hit-zealand-schools-match-085102402.html


I would be down for the count if it were me and I've played rep rugby in new zealand.

Rubbish. It was a late, cheap shot, and having played rugby for 12 years I can easily say I have seen and been involved in bigger 'hits' numerous times.

Foyler

For Paws wrote: »

Would argue that he was committed. Could he have avoided the player ?
Maybe not, but he continued to hit the player full force.
He was clearly late.
He hasn't even reached the guy before the pass is on it's way to the scorer.
(Then 2 defenders make an abject attempt to stop the scorer touching down).

Try imagining the tackler hitting a winger like that after the winger has kicked to chase.
It would clearly be called late.
Only the subsequent events (the try) mask the poor judgment involved.

Agreed, got my final serious concussion from a cheap shot hit just like this, giving the final pass in the 80th minute of a game that was already won.
Was out for about a minute and it was a contributory factor to me retiring from the game.
The perpetrator who'd been moved from opposite me in the centre to fullback after failing to make a decent tackle all day didn't even have the guts/ manners to wait around to see if I woke up or clap us off the pitch, but ran off to the dressing room (Luckily for him!).
I love big hits but when you're blindsiding someone who's released the ball, its a cheapshot end of...

Klunk_NZ

The Aussie wrote: »

But with harder hits than you just creamed over........

At a schoolboy level not many hits come harder then that.

The Aussie

Klunk_NZ wrote: »

At a schoolboy level not many hits cheap shots come harder then that.

: Fixed.

If your into cheap shots there Bro, it says more about you than me..... OMG :pac:

thebaz

Klunk_NZ wrote: »

At a schoolboy level not many hits come harder then that.

the hit was late on a small guy - a young Dominic Ryan for instance used to make more spectacular and braver hits

Piliger

thebaz wrote: »

the hit was late on a small guy - a young Dominic Ryan for instance used to make more spectacular and braver hits

And from the side ... so it looked a LOT bigger than it actually was. All a load of hype really.

Klunk_NZ

The Aussie wrote: »

: Fixed.

If your into cheap shots there Bro, it says more about you than me..... OMG :pac:

Losing to the Lions, well going to be another torrid year for Aussie.

The Aussie

Klunk_NZ wrote: »

Losing to the Lions, well going to be another torrid year for Aussie.

Which has Zero to do with a pointless thread about a cheap shot and blowing it out of proportion while having some fantasy about rep footy.....OMG. :pac:
I'm still deciding which is more pointless to be honest, your last post or this thread, I will get back to you about it.

Klunk_NZ

The Aussie wrote: »

Which has Zero to do with a pointless thread about a cheap shot and blowing it out of proportion while having some fantasy about rep footy.....OMG. :pac:
I'm still deciding which is more pointless to be honest, your last post or this thread, I will get back to you about it.

A rep photo from 2001, when I made counties manukau under 16s. You might notice a certain Allblack captain in their aswell. I played rep cricket with Kez aswell. Top bloke.

And the shot is perfectly legal, he was committed prior to release of the ball.

The Aussie

Klunk_NZ wrote: »

A rep photo from 2001.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_i1-UC5AWI

Klunk_NZ wrote: »

And the shot is perfectly legal, he was committed prior to release of the ball.

I will just quote myself on this one.

The Aussie wrote: »

If your into cheap shots there Bro, it says more about you than me..... OMG :pac:

.ak

Klunk_NZ wrote: »

A rep photo from 2001, when I made counties manukau under 16s. You might notice a certain Allblack captain in their aswell. I played rep cricket with Kez aswell. Top bloke.

And the shot is perfectly legal, he was committed prior to release of the ball.

PLEASE tell me you're the one with the 'fro.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

Cheap shot? He was totally committed to the tackle, it looked bad but it was perfectly legal

sydthebeat

Committed, legal and hard... Nothing wrong with the tackle.

The only reason it looks bad is because the ten didn't see it coming, thats not the tacklers fault.

Swiwi.

.ak wrote: »

PLEASE tell me you're the one with the 'fro.

No, that's me. In my dreams. The skinny white guy who looks shìt-scared, that's actually me.

Klunk_NZ

.ak wrote: »

PLEASE tell me you're the one with the 'fro.

Nope, the one to the left!

Chabals Beard

The idea that a blindside hit is a cheap shot. What else was he going to do? Either not commit and give up a certain try or commit in the hope of the ball carrier knocking on. Good hit and he should be encouraged to do more of the same. I would be more concerned with the poor first line defense and that attempted tackle from the fullback. Also props to the 10 who got up straight away.

Piliger

Chabals Beard wrote: »

The idea that a blindside hit is a cheap shot. What else was he going to do? Either not commit and give up a certain try or commit in the hope of the ball carrier knocking on. Good hit and he should be encouraged to do more of the same. I would be more concerned with the poor first line defense and that attempted tackle from the fullback. Also props to the 10 who got up straight away.

It was a late, cheap shot. Yellow card.

Hagz

Piliger wrote: »

It was a late, cheap shot. Yellow card.

Care to elaborate? Because as it is, you haven't really added anything to the discussion. It's been pointed out that the hit came within less than a second of the pass being made and that the tackler was already committed before the pass was made. Coming from the distance he did, running at the pace he was, with the little time he had; it's unreasonable to expect him to adjust himself in time. It's not as black and white as - he hit him after the pass therefore the tackle was late, because you'll find that that line of logic would lead to countless penalties in a game, assuming you were to be consistent in your judgement regardless of the force of impact.

To put it into perspective, often when a winger kicks ahead and is tackled after kicking, commentators and officials judge whether or not the tackle was "late". If we were to go by your logic, there would be no room for judgement, just a straight penalty every time.