What Makes You Cringe?

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Will I Amnt wrote: »

It's so predictable what threads the LOI brigade will swarm over while banging the same drum. You could see this one a mile off... criiiiinge.

WTF are you talking about? Maybe have a look at the post below before slinging sh!t :rolleyes:

Pedalstool wrote: »

League of Ireland football.

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Dr_Brian_Cocks wrote: »

2. When has this actually happened?

Well 'Manchester United XI' sold out Turner's Cross last summer and the most recognisable player was probably Michael Keane.

Dr_Brian_Cocks

fullstop wrote: »

Well 'Manchester United XI' sold out Turner's Cross last summer and the most recognisable player was probably Michael Keane.

Yes but were there many people dressed head to toe in gear and supporting Utd and not supporting people who are local to them?

If people travel to the match from the county because they support Utd, they are then expected to support Cork? Also Cork would be benefitting from the support from the Utd fans.

Leftist

irish supporters of english teams that pretend they are from the city of the side they support.
I've been called a 'manc' by fellow dubs who claimed to be 'scousers'.

That and having to listen to 'scousers' signing munich songs in dublin pubs. Very pathetic.

Andersonisgod

Dr_Brian_Cocks wrote: »

Yes but were there many people dressed head to toe in gear and supporting Utd and not supporting people who are local to them?

If people travel to the match from the county because they support Utd, they are then expected to support Cork? Also Cork would be benefitting from the support from the Utd fans.

That's it there, it's the expectancy of LOI fans, that you must support your county no matter what. I don't like hurling so I don't go to Waterford hurling matches, I hardly think its a civil duty, nor do I think it's a civil duty to support your LOI team.

Just to stick a pin in this because I'm sure there are other, non-LOI cringe worthy things in football, if the product was good then this debate wouldn't be happening because this almost militant stance towards foreign football wouldn't exist if LOI clubs were drawing in big numbers and clubs in the league were in a healthy financial position. They aren't, and this idea that it's because "Irish people don't like going to games" is ridiculous, more likely is that Irish people would rather go to games where there is a good standard. Of course there are other reasons too, like another poster on this thread has said, sometimes the attitude of certain sections of LOI fans hardly endears them to the common football fan, these "real fans" looking down on us "barstoolers" would hardly encourage anyone to sign up for their LOI tour of duty.

major bill

Dr_Brian_Cocks wrote: »

Yes but were there many people dressed head to toe in gear and supporting Utd and not supporting people who are local to them?

If people travel to the match from the county because they support Utd, they are then expected to support Cork? Also Cork would be benefitting from the support from the Utd fans.

Not expected no but a level of respect to their local players wouldnt be a bad thing, in saying that alot do show respect but ive heard plenty of snide patronizing remarks from people attending these games towards the Local players that would make you cringe.

The whole ''its a great occasion for these lads'' is the worst. it's the same for when a league 1/2 side face a Premier league team...Cringe!!

major bill

Good to see another great thread ruined by this ****e talk

jem

Hi,
I have largly stayed away from the LOIv other leagues discussions but to be honest I have gotten tired of them and some of the comments ie the barstoolers etc.
The nearest loi club to me is an hour away.
Could I be ar$$d driving to one of their matches . Answer No.
I can just as easily watch football on the TV. I can see the best players in the world when ever I want.
If I want to see professional football I can get on a plane and again watch some of the best players in the world.
I have had the attitude with regard to the regular arguments on this topic as L&LL. live and let live.
Suport who you want just dont ram it down some one elses throat.
Don't insult others and what they want to watch.
(BYTW , I financially support the local football team through sponsership etc)

keane2097

Wouldn't agree with the aggressive atmosphere at LOI games thing in the slightest. I go to watch the odd game if I have bets on and always find them to be very enjoyable.

Was at Shamrock Rovers vs Sligo in Tallaght last year with a mate of mine and ended up sitting in the middle of a load of home supporters, had the loot on Shamrock Rovers so we were obv pulling for the home team vocally enough. About half way through the first half my mate spots a text message one of the natives is writing - "lol - two Cork boys sitting beside me giving it loads for us". Me being from Kerry and the mate being from Dundalk :pac:

I've developed a bit of a fondness for St Pats over the last 18 months or so, love how they play, but Shamrock Rovers have the best songs IMO.

Will I Amnt

fullstop wrote: »

WTF are you talking about? Maybe have a look at the post below before slinging sh!t :rolleyes:

Untwist your knickers there kiddo :rolleyes:
That was one stupid comment. If it wasn't posted at all we still would have had to listen to the same shìte that goes on in particular threads every so often.
You can see it happening before it does is all I was saying.

The thread about buying shares in Real Oviedo for example, one comes along every so often where this rubbish just kicks off. It's pathetic and cringey to me anyway.

CSF

Andersonisgod wrote: »

That's it there, it's the expectancy of LOI fans, that you must support your county no matter what. I don't like hurling so I don't go to Waterford hurling matches, I hardly think its a civil duty, nor do I think it's a civil duty to support your LOI team.

Just to stick a pin in this because I'm sure there are other, non-LOI cringe worthy things in football, if the product was good then this debate wouldn't be happening because this almost militant stance towards foreign football wouldn't exist if LOI clubs were drawing in big numbers and clubs in the league were in a healthy financial position. They aren't, and this idea that it's because "Irish people don't like going to games" is ridiculous, more likely is that Irish people would rather go to games where there is a good standard. Of course there are other reasons too, like another poster on this thread has said, sometimes the attitude of certain sections of LOI fans hardly endears them to the common football fan, these "real fans" looking down on us "barstoolers" would hardly encourage anyone to sign up for their LOI tour of duty.

Oh my.

Dempsey

I cringe everytime a thread turns into a LOI vs everyone else debacle

That_Guy

A guy in his 50's on Bohs away trips regularly brings his two sons along. No bother. But EVERY game he gets absolutely shít faced calling people scum and shouting at home supporters.

Out in Tallaght at half time there was a Shamrock Rovers under 8's team on the pitch and this guy was screaming "SCUM, SCUM, SCUM!!" at the top of his lungs at these little kids.

No need. Superb role model for the kids though.

Xavi6

Andersonisgod wrote: »

That's it there, it's the expectancy of LOI fans, that you must support your county no matter what. I don't like hurling so I don't go to Waterford hurling matches, I hardly think its a civil duty, nor do I think it's a civil duty to support your LOI team.

Just to stick a pin in this because I'm sure there are other, non-LOI cringe worthy things in football, if the product was good then this debate wouldn't be happening because this almost militant stance towards foreign football wouldn't exist if LOI clubs were drawing in big numbers and clubs in the league were in a healthy financial position. They aren't, and this idea that it's because "Irish people don't like going to games" is ridiculous, more likely is that Irish people would rather go to games where there is a good standard. Of course there are other reasons too, like another poster on this thread has said, sometimes the attitude of certain sections of LOI fans hardly endears them to the common football fan, these "real fans" looking down on us "barstoolers" would hardly encourage anyone to sign up for their LOI tour of duty.

If you are typical of the generation of football fans coming through below me (early 20s as opposed to late 20s) then the game as a whole, and not just the LoI, is truly up the shitter.

CSF

Dempsey wrote: »

I cringe everytime a thread turns into a LOI vs everyone else debacle

This one was going that way from the second the idea was conceived in the OP's head.

Amirani

Andersonisgod wrote: »

if the product was good then this debate wouldn't be happening

This is one of most cringe-worthy things for me about many modern football fans. Describing what football teams do as a "product" and how clubs need do everything they can to appease the bandwagon-hopping, apathetic "consumer". The results of this can be seen in all-seater stadia without character, prawn-sandwich brigade fans who go along, not because they care about the game or the team, but because they want to be "entertained" and because it's a big event that they can brag to their mates about. Nothing makes me cringe more.

smileyj1987

I would have to say people who sell match tickets for double and treble their worth . The worst thing about this is the fact that some of these people will claim to follow the club they are selling the tickets for . Like this Liverpool vs Celtic friendly coming up and a few websites have tickets up for over €100 when they where originally sold for €25 . Another example would be the price of tickets to Manchester Uniteds last home game . I saw a link to one website where somebody was selling a hospitality ticket for over €1000 .

DoctorGonzo08

smileyj1987 wrote: »

I would have to say people who sell match tickets for double and treble their worth . The worst thing about this is the fact that some of these people will claim to follow the club they are selling the tickets for . Like this Liverpool vs Celtic friendly coming up and a few websites have tickets up for over €100 when they where originally sold for €25 . Another example would be the price of tickets to Manchester Uniteds last home game . I saw a link to one website where somebody was selling a hospitality ticket for over €1000 .

Generally the only people who would pay for those tickets have no real interest in going generally, just want to say I was at x game and brag about it.

It's really not that hard to get your hands on a ticket for any game to be fair, providing you haven't left it till the week before and then cry about the silly price.

I would find the person who bought the ticket and then complained about it more cringeworthy.

AgileMyth

NIMAN wrote: »

I have been a Derry season ticket holder for years, and go to most home games, never heard aggressive chanting.

And Derry fans up for a scrap?:rolleyes:

We played Derry here in Sligo a few weeks back. We were top and they were second. Two teams from the northwest. Basically a big game.

Derry brought more fans than expected so loads of them ended up in with us, right beside our 'hardcore' support. There was no trouble at the game. Theres never been any trouble with Derry.

You'd want to be a bit precious to be made 'unwelcome' in either ground.

Must be harps that are the problem then. Bad eggs them lads.

DazMarz

I love how people rag on the LOI so much. Yeah, obviously the football is not going to be of the standard of the Premier League or La Liga or the Bundesliga or whatever. But it is live football. It gives you a fix of attending a live football match.

To quote the GAA (in what is a brilliant slogan), "Nothing beats being there".

My club is, was, and always will be, Chelsea. Back in the day when I was making very good wages and had lots of free time and was living at home (ergo, no bills/rent to pay), I was over and back to England about twice a month to see Chelsea play. I loved the whole buzz of it.

Sadly, I no longer have as much disposable income or as much free time and I now have bills and rent to pay. If I'm lucky, I might make it over to England once/twice a season now. It hurts, but living has to take precedence!

I do love live football. My nearest LOI club is Bray Wanderers. Literally about a 15-20 minute drive away. So I now go as often as I can. I know a lot of people who go up too. It's always a bit of craic. Some lads I went to school with work in the ground. The first time I went up, they were delighted to see that I was coming up. I don't go up as often as I probably should, but it gives me a live football fix of top-flight football.

One of the games I went to despite having no connection to either club was when St. Pats were playing Hanover 96 in the Europa League up in Tallaght a while back. Again, it's about a 30 minute drive away, it was a competitive European fixture and it was going to be a bit of craic. And it was.

I'd be a GAA-man through and through. But football would be my "bit on the side", if GAA was my wife.

I find it very strange at the amount of animosity that exists. I would also have to say, I never, ever experienced hostility or anything like that at an LOI game. Yes, there's the chanting and the singing and the bit of swearing at the referee (SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!). But I challenge anyone to go to any game in any league and not hear offensive things being shouted.

Try going to West Ham v. Chelsea in Upton Park. Try Chelsea v. Liverpool. Try Chelsea v. Man United, Chelsea v. Spurs, Chelsea v. Arsenal... the list goes on. All games I've been at in the past (sometimes more than once) and the vitriol in some chants is astounding.

Chanting and singing exists everywhere. It's part of the supporters' "job". To sing, chant, cheer and support their side. It happens everywhere.

Closing with a quote: "Can't we all just get along?"

Beefy78

Nothing will ever beat going to a game. You do need the emotional investment though. I've tried going to a few LOI games and it's not the same - not because of the standard of football (pretty similar to what I see in League Two) but because I don't care about the clubs or the players. And that's not an anti-LOI thing as I feel the same when I go and see Spurs with my mates. The craic before the match is good and the atmosphere is great but football without the emotional investment does nothing for me.

Dempsey

DazMarz wrote: »

To quote the GAA (in what is a brilliant slogan), "Nothing beats being there".

I thought it was a cynical ploy to have their cake and eat it myself.

CSF

smileyj1987 wrote: »

I would have to say people who sell match tickets for double and treble their worth . The worst thing about this is the fact that some of these people will claim to follow the club they are selling the tickets for . Like this Liverpool vs Celtic friendly coming up and a few websites have tickets up for over €100 when they where originally sold for €25 . Another example would be the price of tickets to Manchester Uniteds last home game . I saw a link to one website where somebody was selling a hospitality ticket for over €1000 .

For games like Liverpool and Celtic here I don't really have an issue with it. For me, the issue begins when people who would normally get tickets all the time suddenly aren't able, as in the United Swansea example.

Corholio

TheDoc wrote: »

Few cringe magnets from me, mostly relate to Ireland

1) The award the Irish fans got for the Euros
2) The bandwagon jumpers for the national team, only interested in big games
3) The COYBIG phrase
4) LOI fans feeling the need to be bravado against PL fans, and how they are somehow "more of a fan".

The irony of it being that it's always Prem only supporters who say that LOI fans on here say they are 'more than a fan'. Some feel closer to their club than Prem fans, are you arguing that fact?

I am pie

I once had to listen to a bunch of friends of mine trying to convince me that Ireland were realistic candidates to win the 2002 WC and that they were well placed to win it before Keane headed for the airport.

5 or 6 of them, convinced. Telling me that Matty Holland was one of the better midfielders in the tournament and that Keane and Duff were the best two strikers in the tournament.

applehunter

I am pie wrote: »

I once had to listen to a bunch of friends of mine trying to convince me that Ireland were realistic candidates to win the 2002 WC and that they were well placed to win it before Keane headed for the airport.

5 or 6 of them, convinced. Telling me that Matty Holland was one of the better midfielders in the tournament and that Keane and Duff were the best two strikers in the tournament.

If I remember correctly Ireland were realistic contenders.

Would have met South Korea in the quarters had they won the shootout and then Germany who were nothing special.

Duff was one the stars of the tournament, no?

ShooterSF

I use "we" and "us". It's just habit from my childhood. I don't actually think I play for Man United (their loss tbh) but the only time someone complained about it to me he nearly immediately went on to do the same thing talking about Louth GAA having never played for them. His defense was that as he was born there and lived some of his life in the county that he somehow became part of the team :S

Following any sports team is irrational unless you actually are involved because tribalism at a local or national level is inherently irrational and so is taking pride in the achievements of others but we allow ourselves to do it because of the emotional benefits we derive from it.

I am pie

applehunter wrote: »

If I remember correctly Ireland were realistic contenders.

Would have met South Korea in the quarters had they won the shootout and then Germany who were nothing special.

Wow.

Germany, nothing special. Hockeyed the Arabians 8-0. Kahn in goal, Ballack in MF, Schneider, Zieger, Klose and Bierhoff amongst others.

South Korea finished top of a group with Poland, Portugal and USA, all decent sides, no pushovers.

I don't know where the assumption that Ireland would have any right to consider themselves better than a South Korean team who had already beaten Italy?

I hate the lack of perspective in Irish football sometimes. These are the same fans that would consider Austria an easy game and think that Ireland should beat most other teams in Europe outside of France, Italy, Spain, England and Germany.

Will I Amnt

I am pie wrote: »

Wow.

Germany, nothing special. Hockeyed the Arabians 8-0. Kahn in goal, Ballack in MF, Schneider, Zieger, Klose and Bierhoff amongst others.

And yet Ireland got a draw out of them...
Not saying Ireland would have gone much further but the standard at that World Cup was pretty bad in fairness.

BOHtox

I am pie wrote: »

Wow.

Germany, nothing special. Hockeyed the Arabians 8-0. Kahn in goal, Ballack in MF, Schneider, Zieger, Klose and Bierhoff amongst others.

South Korea finished top of a group with Poland, Portugal and USA, all decent sides, no pushovers.

I don't know where the assumption that Ireland would have any right to consider themselves better than a South Korean team who had already beaten Italy?

I hate the lack of perspective in Irish football sometimes. These are the same fans that would consider Austria an easy game and think that Ireland should beat most other teams in Europe outside of France, Italy, Spain, England and Germany.

Ireland scored the only goal Germany conceded up to the final and we got a draw out of them.

We could and should have beat Spain, missed penalty, and with Roy Keane we definitely could have gone at least one round further. We were hardly going to win it though.