What Makes You Cringe?

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

CSF wrote: »

I'm not bring pedantic. Man United may be a business but football is not.

Football being a sport is a fact, that can't be argued. You're an intelligent poster, you knew what my point was.

Andersonisgod

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Not much point promoting high quality passing football round here, Anderson, mate, it only falls on deaf ears.

I think some of the LoI brigade would genuinely hate to see the league being successful or to have big attendances at grounds because they might perceive that value as a "real fan" (lol) is lessened.

Anyway, we've had this debate many times over and I genuinely feel sad for people who simply can't appreciate that the way Barca or Spain play is best for the game. To watch Spain v Uruguay (who are no mugs btw) the other night was magnificent!

Spot on. All to often there does seem to be this odd aggression shown against Barcelona/Spain that I don't understand.

Like I've said, I wouldn't begrudge anyone being a LOI fan but, as we've seen a few times on this thread, if anyone questions the LOI or the attitudes of LOI fans you are quickly placed on a LOI inquisition. I agree that there is a paradox in it, while LOI fans claim to desperately want more fans to come and support their local clubs, it would be that very same mass support that would lessen their own importance to their clubs and ultimately lead to higher priced tickets and their clubs being operated more like a business than a community club.

That first half was something completely different. Spain/Barcelona and tiki taka has been written off a bit over the last year with claims or imminent decline, but Spain have never been better than that first half display.

dan1895

Johnny Utah wrote: »

I think some of the LoI brigade would genuinely hate to see the league being successful or to have big attendances at grounds because they might perceive that value as a "real fan" (lol) is lessened.

Such sh*te!

major bill

Madworld wrote: »

And this is even more vomit inducing.

"Home Advantage" :cool:

This thread has its poster image, **** me that is terrible, I have tickets for this game but i am seriously thinking of flogging them off for big money and go on the piss.

dan1895

major bill wrote: »

This thread has its poster image, **** me that is terrible, I have tickets for this game but i am seriously thinking of flogging them off for big money and go on the piss.

Fools and their money are easily parted. Flog away good sir, flog away.

keane2097

In fact, in the early days of the sport among the upper echelons of British society, the proper term for the sport was “Soccer”. Not only that, but the sport being referred to as “Soccer” preceded the first recorded instance of it being called by the singular word “Football” by about 18 years.

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/06/the-origin-of-the-word-soccer/

It's not soccer IT'S FUH-BAAAAL warble warble anti-America rabble rabble.

major bill

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Not much point promoting high quality passing football round here, Anderson, mate, it only falls on deaf ears.

I think some of the LoI brigade would genuinely hate to see the league being successful or to have big attendances at grounds because they might perceive that value as a "real fan" (lol) is lessened.

Anyway, we've had this debate many times over and I genuinely feel sad for people who simply can't appreciate that the way Barca or Spain play is best for the game. To watch Spain v Uruguay (who are no mugs btw) the other night was magnificent!

Yea because the people who are committed 7 days a week fundraising, volunteering to keep the clubs afloat dont want to see their hard work pay off., LOI Brigade?? cringe

As for the second part of your post, christ lets all play like Spain even though we dont have the players, we might lose every game but hey we are playing the game the way it should be played. Delusional!!!

Corholio

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Not much point promoting high quality passing football round here, Anderson, mate, it only falls on deaf ears.u

I think some of the LoI brigade would genuinely hate to see the league being successful or to have big attendances at grounds because they might perceive that value as a "real fan" (lol) is lessened.

Anyway, we've had this debate many times over and I genuinely feel sad for people who simply can't appreciate that the way Barca or Spain play is best for the game. To watch Spain v Uruguay (who are no mugs btw) the other night was magnificent!

Think youve completely missed the point if you think people are commenting on his posts and saying Barca don't play good football.

Andersonisgod

Corholio wrote: »

Think youve completely missed the point if you think people are commenting on his posts and saying Barca don't play good football.

I'm sure some people do enjoy watching them play but perhaps don't enjoy my comments.

Equally if you were to read some of the comments during the Spain vs Uruguay game it was ridiculous, with posters "yawning" and being "put to sleep" by one of the most complete performances the best national side in history have ever put together. That is something that makes me cringe, these people (fans and journalists) with their anti-Spain rhetoric, by the time Euro 2012 rolled around they realised they had no equal for Spain on the pitch so they resorted to 6 year olds "this is boring" argument.

CSF

THFC wrote: »

Football being a sport is a fact, that can't be argued. You're an intelligent poster, you knew what my point was.

I do know what your point was, I just really really think you're wrong.

Corholio

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I'm sure some people do enjoy watching them play but perhaps don't enjoy my comments.

Equally if you were to read some of the comments during the Spain vs Uruguay game it was ridiculous, with posters "yawning" and being "put to sleep" by one of the most complete performances the best national side in history have ever put together. That is something that makes me cringe, these people (fans and journalists) with their anti-Spain rhetoric, by the time Euro 2012 rolled around they realised they had no equal for Spain on the pitch so they resorted to 6 year olds "this is boring" argument.

I don't think anyone is demeaning their quality by saying the match was boring, we all know they're a superb team. But a quality of a match still has to be judged, passing it around fantastically is an incredible skill to have, but it doesn't make for great watching all the time, especially when a lot of it is midfield passing. But surely your not naive enough to think it always makes for a great match.

Will Spain destroying Tahiti tonight make for a great game?

Andersonisgod

Corholio wrote: »

I don't think anyone is demeaning their quality by saying the match was boring, we all know they're a superb team. But a quality of a match still has to be judged, passing it around fantastically is an incredible skill to have, but it doesn't make for great watching all the time, especially when a lot of it is midfield passing. But surely your not naive enough to think it always makes for a great match.

Will Spain destroying Tahiti tonight make for a great game?

Thing is, that's what Spain do. They don't change. This wasn't a once off. Infact I'd say over 90 minutes they showed more attacking verve and more tenacity against Uruguay than they have in quite some time and still we got yawns and sleep. It's a matter of appreciating the technical brilliance of this Spanish side and admiring how, as a team in unison, they maneuver the ball about the pitch, controlling the game from start to finish while also creating numerous chances. Personally I'd say any game where Spain show such quality is a great game.

If their play is as good as it was against Uruguay then yes. Will it be competitive? Probably not but there are things that can be admired other than competitiveness.

Corholio

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Thing is, that's what Spain do. They don't change. This wasn't a once off. Infact I'd say over 90 minutes they showed more attacking verve and more tenacity against Uruguay than they have in quite some time and still we got yawns and sleep. It's a matter of appreciating the technical brilliance of this Spanish side and admiring how, as a team in unison, they maneuver the ball about the pitch, controlling the game from start to finish while also creating numerous chances. Personally I'd say any game where Spain show such quality is a great game.

If their play is as good as it was against Uruguay then yes. Will it be competitive? Probably not but there are things that can be admired other than competitiveness.

We're not even disagreeing on how good Spain are, they're brilliant. We all admire them, it's just not always extremely exciting. That's not even a criticism, just a judgement on watching 90 minutes of football.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

CSF wrote: »

I do know what your point was, I just really really think you're wrong.

Right, that's a very well articulated point, I fully understand your opinion.

Andersonisgod

Corholio wrote: »

We're not even disagreeing on how good Spain are, they're brilliant. We all admire them, it's just not always extremely exciting. That's not even a criticism, just a judgement on watching 90 minutes of football.

Fair enough, maybe it's down to the individual. Personally I could watch Spain play every day, maybe others don't enjoy the short passing game as much, I just don't think it should be labelled boring.

CSF

THFC wrote: »

Right, that's a very well articulated point, I fully understand your opinion.

I've already articulated it in previous posts which you pretty much ignored, instead calling me pedantic. What is the point in me repeating myself?

kksaints

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Fair enough, maybe it's down to the individual. Personally I could watch Spain play every day, maybe others don't enjoy the short passing game as much, I just don't think it should be labelled boring.

Out of curiosity which would you prefer to watch, Barcalona or Spain?

CSF

kksaints wrote: »

Out of curiosity which would you prefer to watch, Barcalona or Spain?

Ah man, don't make him choose.

Andersonisgod

kksaints wrote: »

Out of curiosity which would you prefer to watch, Barcalona or Spain?

That's a tough one. On one hand I am a fan of so many non-Barcelona Spanish players. But on the other hand there's Messi and I have more of an emotional attachment to Barcelona than Spain so I'd say Barcelona. Both are a joy to watch.

Jimoslimos

Corholio wrote: »

A product denotes that you change it when you want, I'd like to think the majority of supporters don't do that. It's only a product if you make it one.

Just because you're emotionally invested in something doesn't make it any less of a product. See queues outside Apple stores for the latest iPhone release as example.

CSF

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Just because you're emotionally invested in something doesn't make it any less of a product. See queues outside Apple stores for the latest iPhone release as example.

I'm sorry but what? How is that an example?

Corholio

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Just because you're emotionally invested in something doesn't make it any less of a product. See queues outside Apple stores for the latest iPhone release as example.

If you think changing from an iPhone to a Galaxy S4 is the same as supporting Man Utd and then changing to Man City, then fair enough. I certainly don't.

niallo27

The attitude of certain LOI posters on here would actually make you not want to go to a LOI game.

niallo27

niallo27 wrote: »

The attitude of certain LOI posters on here would actually make you not want to go to a LOI game.

The thing is, I know a good few LOI supporters and they are nothing like some of the lads in here.

CSF

niallo27 wrote: »

The attitude of certain LOI posters on here would actually make you not want to go to a LOI game.

Would you not find it a bit weird if I said I was put off going to Liverpool matches because I think you're a bit of a gimp on the Internet...............hypothetically speaking

niallo27

CSF wrote: »

Would you not find it a bit weird if I said I was put off going to Liverpool matches because I think you're a bit of a gimp on the Internet...............hypothetically speaking

No I would not find it weird at all.

CSF

niallo27 wrote: »

No I would not find it weird at all.

I find that weird.

Johnny Utah

Corholio wrote: »

Think youve completely missed the point if you think people are commenting on his posts and saying Barca don't play good football.

LOL, you have people on this forum calling Spain "boring" (their words not mine!) all the time.

Imo, we are very lucky to watch one of the greatest (possibly the greatest) international sides of all time! Double European champions and World Champions; plus I think they play an attractive style of passing and movement.

People will talk about this Spanish side and their style of play in 50 years time, just like people refer to the great Dutch team of the 70s and their total football.

SantryRed

niallo27 wrote: »

The attitude of certain LOI posters on here would actually make you not want to go to a LOI game.

That is quite sad tbh.

Corholio

Johnny Utah wrote: »

LOL, you have people on this forum calling Spain "boring" (their words not mine!) all the time.

Imo, we are very lucky to watch one of the greatest (possibly the greatest) international sides of all time! Double European champions and World Champions; plus I think they play an attractive style of passing and movement.

People will talk about this Spanish side and their style of play in 50 years time, just like people refer to the great Dutch team of the 70s and their total football.

Twice you missed the point. Surely a record.

I agreed they are a phenomenal team, but the matches they are involved in can get boring. For example, 8 goals so far tonight have never seen so uninteresting. I also said it wasn't really a criticism, but if using superlatives online just for the sake of it keeps you happy fair enough.