Alcohol is the worst drug out there

jimpump

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Timmyctc

Whats your opinion on the matter OP?

Coutinho 10

jimpump wrote: »

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Nah can't arse'd off for a drink I think!:D

wonderfulname

Well if that won't prompt discussion I don't know what will!

The Backwards Man

jimpump wrote: »

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Pole vault.

You first OP.

Yellowblackbird

Are you talking about something like smithwicks. Or Harp.

WoollyRedHat

jimpump wrote: »

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The drugs don't work they just make you **** sorry just got hit in the head with a discus.

Missyelliot2

Yellowblackbird wrote: »

Are you talking about something like smithwicks. Or Harp.

Satzenbrau?

DarkJager

jimpump wrote: »

Discuss

Try Heroin then come back to us.

The Backwards Man

Missyelliot2 wrote: »

Satzenbrau?

Jesus, that's off the market for twenty years.:eek:

meoklmrk91

Well OP I think that you are supposed to expand a little, you know give us your own opinion on the matter.

I would agree with you to certain extent because drinking is socially acceptable. For instance smoking a J wouldn't be as socially acceptable to the masses, but I have known many lives, marriages and families ruined by drinking, I know none that have been caused by smoking weed.

There's nothing really wrong with taking any drug as long as you don't let it ruin your life and it doesn't affect anyone else around you, there in lies the problem.
I say this as someone who has never taken anything heavier than a smoke and probably never will.

LizT

Who could argue with such a detailed OP?

Yellowblackbird

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Jesus, that's off the market for twenty years.:eek:

Can you still get Ritz ?

catallus

Meth is the most out-there drug. Tis lovely. Am I right?

Actually it is legal painkillers which are the worst drugs out there, if we're talking deaths caused.

Rothko

It's hardly worse than crystal meth, is it?

Duiske

If you asked me at 10am on a Sunday I would agree. Then again, at 10pm on a Saturday... :pac:

jimpump

Well put it this way, I did and said some crazy **** that I wouldnt have done at the weekend if I smoked a drug thats made from a plant yet its illegal. I just dont get it. Alcohol is the biggest cause of violent and stupid behaviour yet its legal a few leaves from a plant are illegal yet nothing bad happens when ppl take that. Its a bleedin joke, plus alcohols 1 of the biggest killers in this country if not the biggest if you include road crashes, suicide etc.

Some laws need changing big time

suicide_circus

which is more damaging to your health:

1. 7 pints, 3 vodka/red bulls and 2 sambuccas plus 20 smokes followed by a kebab and chips

2. 4 bottles of beer and 1/2 g of coke plus 20 smokes

3. 6 bottles of beer and two yokes plus 20 smokes

Yellowblackbird

Suas11 wrote: »

It's hardly worse than crystal meth, is it?

Depends. Are you talking about Blue?

Well it's the only drug I have available to me right now so it'll have to do....
Huzzah for self-pity drinking! The best kind of drinking! \o/




/cries self to sleep

DaveDaRave

Suas11 wrote: »

It's hardly worse than crystal meth, is it?

methamphetamine has its uses for treatment of ADD.

also meth is not physically addictive compared to alcohol which withdrawals can be fatal.

jimpump

DarkJager wrote: »

Try Heroin then come back to us.

I know plenty of functioning opiate addicts who have greatly paid steady jobs, doubt the same can be said for alcohol

The Backwards Man

Yellowblackbird wrote: »

Can you still get Ritz ?

Yeah, it's on the shelf beside the babycham.

DaveDaRave

suicide_circus wrote: »

which is more damaging to your health:

1. 7 pints, 3 vodka/red bulls and 2 sambuccas plus 20 smokes followed by a kebab and chips

2. 4 bottles of beer and 1/2 g of coke plus 20 smokes

3. 6 bottles of beer and two yokes plus 20 smokes

i dunno but it sounds like a nice plan for the next long weekend.

Missyelliot2

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Jesus, that's off the market for twenty years.:eek:

20 years??? Getting auld - whethers originals and a paddys ia the only way to go:P

jimpump

DaveDaRave wrote: »

methamphetamine has its uses for treatment of ADD.

also meth is not physically addictive compared to alcohol which withdrawals can be fatal.

Yeah my brother in law takes ritalin/methamphetamine over his adhd and it keeps him sane. Without it he can be a raving lunatic

Alcohol and benzos are the drugs whose withdrawals can be fatal

SafeSurfer

suicide_circus wrote: »

which is more damaging to your health:

1. 7 pints, 3 vodka/red bulls and 2 sambuccas plus 20 smokes followed by a kebab and chips

2. 4 bottles of beer and 1/2 g of coke plus 20 smokes

3. 6 bottles of beer and two yokes plus 20 smokes

Sounds like a good night out.

wonderfulname

jimpump wrote: »

I know plenty of functioning opiate addicts who have greatly paid steady jobs, doubt the same can be said for alcohol

Yup, the phrase "functioning alcoholic" is a completely new one on me...

The Backwards Man

Missyelliot2 wrote: »

20 years??? Getting auld - whethers originals and a paddys ia the only way to go:P

Angostura bitters, that's the way to go.:pac:

jimpump

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Sounds like a good night out.

It does until the next morning

catallus

Any drug is better than the socially accepted and legal drugs! Screw the power! Right on!

jimpump

wonderfulname wrote: »

Yup, the phrase "functioning alcoholic" is a completely new one on me...

Yeah but theyre liver will be ****ed by the age of 40 if they drink everyday. Same cant be said for other 'illegal' plants or as some people like to call them drugs. Alcohol is full of ****, ever look at the ingredient for some alcohol bevereges? This world is backwards

thebaz

crack and meth amph (and ther headshop equivalents) would be by far the worst drugs out ther (alcohol included ) - people lives can be destroyed pretty fast on these - and I mean destroyed

minidazzler

jimpump wrote: »

I know plenty of functioning opiate addicts who have greatly paid steady jobs, doubt the same can be said for alcohol

jimpump wrote: »

Yeah but theyre liver will be ****ed by the age of 40 if they drink everyday. Same cant be said for other 'illegal' plants or as some people like to call them drugs. Alcohol is full of ****, ever look at the ingredient for some alcohol bevereges? This world is backwards

Now, I don't want to be insulting and it's not my intention to personally abuse you, but please answer this question, as it is just a question. Do you lack all levels of intelligence?

There are plenty of functional alcoholics out there and sure, they'll be screwed once they get older.... but with heroin you're gonna be fine? Really?

jimpump

thebaz wrote: »

crack and meth amph (and ther headshop equivalents) would be by far the worst drugs out ther (alcohol included ) - people lives can be destroyed pretty fast on these - and I mean destroyed

I agree man, crack , crystal meth and alcohol seem to be the most damaging and drugs from what ive read and seen. Anything thats not from a plant should be banned but then again its their bodies so I say legalise andbtax them and this country wont be owning the germans back for the next 100 years

tony 2 tone

jimpump wrote: »

Well put it this way, I did and said some crazy **** that I wouldnt have done at the weekend if I smoked a drug thats made from a plant yet its illegal. I just dont get it. Alcohol is the biggest cause of violent and stupid behaviour yet its legal a few leaves from a plant are illegal yet nothing bad happens when ppl take that. Its a bleedin joke, plus alcohols 1 of the biggest killers in this country if not the biggest if you include road crashes, suicide etc.

Some laws need changing big time

So you did something stupid while drunk so alcohol is bad? Fecks sake :rolleyes:

J_E

jimpump wrote: »

Alcohol is the biggest cause of violent and stupid behaviour

People are the biggest cause of violent and stupid behaviour. My view on it is if you were brought up in a half-decent manner you would not act as reckless whether you were drunk or not.

arybvtcw0eolkf

jimpump wrote: »

Yeah but theyre liver will be ****ed by the age of 40 if they drink everyday. Same cant be said for other 'illegal' plants or as some people like to call them drugs. Alcohol is full of ****, ever look at the ingredient for some alcohol bevereges? This world is backwards

I'm 47, despite having an otherwise very healthy life style I drink to excess.. I've tried stopping numberous times but I can't.

Sometimes on my annual medical my liver function tests are elevated, a week off the gargle and I'm fine and can do it all over again..

Most of my mates from my teen years are dead from drugs, almost without exception heroin and turning on other opiates when smack wasn't available (we're talking about 1980's Ballymun).

Very, very few are still using and living (in fact right now I can't think of a single one).. Those who didn't take a turn on but drank all all still alive and well.

666irishguy

jimpump wrote: »

I agree man, crack , crystal meth and alcohol seem to be the most damaging and drugs from what ive read and seen. Anything thats not from a plant should be banned but then again its their bodies so I say legalise andbtax them and this country wont be owning the germans back for the next 100 years

Crack is refined Cocaine, which comes from the Coca plant, Alcohol is obtained from fermented barley, grapes, hops etc etc, all plants. Not being smart but just because it's a plant, it doesn't mean it's healthy and wholesome. The legalize weed campaign are a vocal minority. Most people get by in their normal lives without any illegal drugs, weed or otherwise.

Why should we legalize something that would barely be missed if it disappeared off the face of the Earth tomorrow? People who want to legalize and smoke weed the same way others smoke cigarettes are addicted psychologically or physically and want their lives to be easier and would basically be more useless to society as far as I can see. It would be worse than drink, as you can only get drunk once and few people can easily do it all day everyday, whereas you could be stoned and useless several times during the whole day, all day every day. If we just legalized every drug, who's going to pay for the hospital bills, social cost? That's where the pipe dream of paying off national death with weed tax would evaporate.

J_E

666irishguy wrote: »

Why should we legalize something that would barely be missed if it disappeared off the face of the Earth tomorrow?

That is a weak and uninformed opinion, to be honest...

mikom

666irishguy wrote: »

Why should we legalize something that would barely be missed if it disappeared off the face of the Earth tomorrow?

Barely be missed, me bollox.

666irishguy wrote: »

People who want to legalize and smoke weed the same way others smoke cigarettes are addicted psychologically or physically and want their lives to be easier and would basically be more useless to society as far as I can see.

Who wants to smoke pot like cigarettes?

Where are you getting this physical addiction bunkum?

666irishguy wrote: »

It would be worse than drink, as you can only get drunk once and few people can easily do it all day everyday

News to me.

666irishguy wrote: »

whereas you could be stoned and useless several times during the whole day, all day every day.

You could................. if you were a complete loser.

666irishguy wrote: »

If we just legalized every drug, who's going to pay for the hospital bills, social cost?

Who is paying for legal aid, the guards, prisons?

666irishguy wrote: »

That's where the pipe dream of paying off national death with weed tax would evaporate.

The national death of knowledge, by the looks of it.
I suggest you research this cannabis topic a tad more before spouting bulldust.

Pat Mustard

For what it's worth, this chart from The Economist says that alcohol is the most harmful drug, both in relation to the harm to the user and to others. Heroin and crack are in second and third places, respectively.

Meth (no.4) doesn't show huge risk of harm to others, according to this.

Lancet abstract.

jimpump

Boone Echoing Twit wrote: »

I'm 47, despite having an otherwise very healthy life style I drink to excess.. I've tried stopping numberous times but I can't.

Sometimes on my annual medical my liver function tests are elevated, a week off the gargle and I'm fine and can do it all over again..

Most of my mates from my teen years are dead from drugs, almost without exception heroin and turning on other opiates when smack wasn't available (we're talking about 1980's Ballymun).

Very, very few are still using and living (in fact right now I can't think of a single one).. Those who didn't take a turn on but drank all all still alive and well.

I know plenty from around coolock who smoke it (not turn on) and these guys are in their 40s aswell and have been working nearly all their lives. Its the needles and methadone that **** the guys you know up. Heroin is basically morphine, oxycodone, vicidon and is not harmful if used the right way

I should know cos my dad has been on vicidon, which ppl in america get from their doctors and they call it hillbilly heroin,for over 40 years cos he was in a bad car accident when he was in his 20s. Now hes in his late 60s and has never had major health concerns apart from his back pain over his accident. He told me before its basically saved his life otherwise he would be bed bound

jimpump

minidazzler wrote: »

Now, I don't want to be insulting and it's not my intention to personally abuse you, but please answer this question, as it is just a question. Do you lack all levels of intelligence?

There are plenty of functional alcoholics out there and sure, they'll be screwed once they get older.... but with heroin you're gonna be fine? Really?

Read my post

Napper Hawkins

666irishguy wrote: »

Why should we legalize something that would barely be missed if it disappeared off the face of the Earth tomorrow? People who want to legalize and smoke weed the same way others smoke cigarettes are addicted psychologically or physically and want their lives to be easier and would basically be more useless to society as far as I can see. It would be worse than drink, as you can only get drunk once and few people can easily do it all day everyday, whereas you could be stoned and useless several times during the whole day, all day every day. If we just legalized every drug, who's going to pay for the hospital bills, social cost? That's where the pipe dream of paying off national death with weed tax would evaporate.

Nonsense.

catallus

What is nonsense is equating drink with weed, or equating drink or weed with heroin. There is a difference of degree and the degree is effect.

You can only drink so much and you pass out; you pay for it the next day, but then it is over.

You can smoke weed or hash until you can't smoke no more, but the payback takes weeks.

Heroin never lets you go.

Given the level of education in relation to drugs in our society it is no puzzle why young people look at the effects of alcohol and deem it to be the worst.

Alcohol is a very debilitating substance; but the reason it's effects are so noticeable is because it is legally available and used widespread.

The shallow solution of legalising all recreational drugs misses this point.

jimpump

The Mustard wrote: »

For what it's worth, this chart from The Economist says that alcohol is the most harmful drug, both in relation to the harm to the user and to others. Heroin and crack are in second and third places, respectively.

Meth (no.4) doesn't show huge risk of harm to others, according to this.

Lancet abstract.

You do know heroin can be smoked. Opiates/ heroin got a bad name over ppl sharing needles and spreading hep or whatever disease 1 of the sharers of needles had. Hell put it this way, if a diabetic injecting insulin was sharing needles with other diabetics the same problem would occur, needles arent meant to be shared, everyone should know that. Back in the 80s as makikomi mentioned, there was no info about spreading diseases through sharing needles, hence all the deaths from hepatitis and aids during the 80s, not enough education

Nowadays they give free needles to addicts in most town centres hence the reason why today is nothing like the 80s when people didnt know the consequences of sharing needles and spreading disease

666irishguy

mikom wrote: »

1)Barely be missed, me bollox.
2)Who wants to smoke pot like cigarettes?
3)Where are you getting this physical addiction bunkum? News to me.
4)You could................. if you were a complete loser.
5)Who is paying for legal aid, the guards, prisons?
6)The national death of knowledge, by the looks of it.
I suggest you research this cannabis topic a tad more before spouting bulldust.

1) Did you ever think about if before you tried it? I'd bet the majority of your parents generation and maybe even people you see every day could care less about it.
2) Stoners, plenty of them out there.
3) I see it with my own eyes in the people I knew/know/smoked it with, who spend the whole day talking about or thinking about their little bag of weed and light one up the first chance they get, regardless of time, place or reason.
4) Stoned all day? It happens, tell me they aren't addicts or dependent on it.
5) So we'll swap one bill for another.
6) More like the national death of not calling a spade a spade. Most of the weed lobby have a too cool for school attitude about what is a pretty laughable high and a misguided belief that the wonder of weed is being oppressed, they look down on and point out what they claim is the damage drinkers do, yet fail to mention that nearly every junkie started on weed and as the old saying goes; 'more breeds want' and went off on a search for their next better high or said they'd see what it would be like, since they've tried weed and after all that's harmless.

My opinions are my own, gathered from first hand experience so calling them 'bull-dust' is jumping the gun. I smoked it on and off for years. I gave it up because I kinda realized that it's more about the silly rituals around smoking it than the actual high (it's a fairly poor high with regards to the high itself) it's a waste of money, too much hassle to get and mind and being a realist I said I'd settle for a few beers in the pub as I didn't fancy whole evenings revolving around the inevitable lighting up. Finally where there's weed there is always other drugs and I don't like the idea of putting money in the pocket of scumbags and watching people develop a fondness for pills and coke. That's the reality of weed for me and probably the majority of people whether they will admit it or not, it goes hand in hand with the harder stuff. Might be an outdated opinion, but plenty of people went before me and got on fine without it. As far I see we should be more worried about learning to live without the need to get stoned or drunk or whatever other chemical we want to or need to ingest.

DaveDaRave

666irishguy wrote: »

Crack is refined Cocaine, which comes from the Coca plant, Alcohol is obtained from fermented barley, grapes, hops etc etc, all plants. Not being smart but just because it's a plant, it doesn't mean it's healthy and wholesome. The legalize weed campaign are a vocal minority. Most people get by in their normal lives without any illegal drugs, weed or otherwise.

Why should we legalize something that would barely be missed if it disappeared off the face of the Earth tomorrow? People who want to legalize and smoke weed the same way others smoke cigarettes are addicted psychologically or physically and want their lives to be easier and would basically be more useless to society as far as I can see. It would be worse than drink, as you can only get drunk once and few people can easily do it all day everyday, whereas you could be stoned and useless several times during the whole day, all day every day. If we just legalized every drug, who's going to pay for the hospital bills, social cost? That's where the pipe dream of paying off national death with weed tax would evaporate.

The hospital bills from weed, are you serious. The cost wouldnt be anywhere near to whats currently the case with alcohol, it could even reduce it.

J_E

jimpump wrote: »

I should know cos my dad has been on vicidon, which ppl in america get from their doctors and they call it hillbilly heroin,for over 40 years cos he was in a bad car accident when he was in his 20s. Now hes in his late 60s and has never had major health concerns apart from his back pain over his accident. He told me before its basically saved his life otherwise he would be bed bound

Because vicodin = heroin, right? Wrong.

666irishguy

DaveDaRave wrote: »

The hospital bills from weed, are you serious. The cost wouldnt be anywhere near to whats currently the case with alcohol, it could even reduce it.

Hardly reduce it considering weed is fairly easy to get now and people still choose to drink. As for the bills, I was referring to the notion that we should legalize all drugs.