The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug

david75 · 13-06-2013 5:21pm

Did he?? If so that's insane.

He may be over egging the cake in that case.

Zubeneschamali · 13-06-2013 5:39pm

david75 wrote: »

Did he?? If so that's insane.

Hmm, I remember reading that, but now I can't pin down a source.

Wiki says 274 days principal photography for LoTR vs 266 for The Hobbit, and that doesn't seem to account for extra shooting like pickups or for the number of units working per day...

krudler · 13-06-2013 5:40pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Hmm, I remember reading that, but now I can't pin down a source.

Wiki says 274 days principal photography for LoTR vs 266 for The Hobbit, and that doesn't seem to account for extra shooting like pickups or for the number of units working per day...

He probably weighed twice as much back then as well though

Gbear · 13-06-2013 7:40pm

krudler wrote: »

He probably weighed twice as much back then as well though

He looks like he's after putting a fair bit back on.

spank_inferno · 17-06-2013 7:56am

I assume the vast amount of CGI work is to keep prying eyes away?
(ie: fewer extras needed).

It would also count for the lack our outside sets being used compared to LOTR.

Anyone know when the next video diary is out?

Galvasean · 17-06-2013 5:37pm

spank_inferno wrote: »

I assume the vast amount of CGI work is to keep prying eyes away?
(ie: fewer extras needed).

I don't really see the point in that. Not like it's an original story ideas that they want to keep unspoiled.

johnny_ultimate · 17-06-2013 5:58pm

spank_inferno wrote: »

I assume the vast amount of CGI work is to keep prying eyes away?
(ie: fewer extras needed).

It would also count for the lack our outside sets being used compared to LOTR.

Yeah, the danger of a public invasion is being cited as one of the main reasons for retreating into soundstages. It's not a fully credible explanation - the Dark Knight Rises managed to shoot in a major city with only a few leaked photos filtering through - but some Tolkien fans are a very unique kind of obsessive. It's a shame, even if a semi-understandable one - the combination of all schools of SFX and actual location work in LOTR is still a rather remarkable thing to witness (especially since so many scenes were filmed in suburban parks), and a pivotal element in its overall effectiveness.

MJ23 · 17-06-2013 6:25pm

Even longer and more boring than the coma inducing LOTR. How do people watch this stuff?

Jhon_Alan · 17-06-2013 6:37pm

I am eagerly waiting for it..after watching the trailer !!

salmocab · 17-06-2013 6:46pm

Hope the brown wizard is in this one he was great!

ArthurG · 17-06-2013 8:00pm

That shot in the trailer of Bilbo in the meadow or whatever sealed it for me. Based on the turgid first instalment, that part will probably last about 20 minutes. I'll pass, thanks all the same.....

OU812 · 01-07-2013 7:28pm

Last I heard there was uproar because they'd split one book into two movies with some padding that's not part of the actual story & today I heard that there's a third movie?

McLoughlin · 01-07-2013 7:41pm

There is already a thread/discussion on this if you just look but The Hobbit Trilogy is The Hobbit book with appendicies from The Hobbit and The Lord of The Rings so more than enough for 3 films.

Tipsy McSwagger · 01-07-2013 7:46pm

The Hobbit is a small little story and suitable for one film. Peter Jackson is just milking it for the money, adding in new characters and dragging scenes on for way too long. The Tolkien family wants nothing to do with the LOTR & Hobbit films and i don't blame them.

Zubeneschamali · 02-07-2013 8:47am

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

The Hobbit is a small little story and suitable for one film.

If you filmed everything that's in the book, you could easily get 2 two hour moves from it. The BBC did a straight 4 hour radio version in the 60s.

If you do a mild Jackson on it, adding long helicopter shots of landscape-trudging, rock-climbing, tunnel-walking, scree-sliding, eagle-riding, tree-climbing, barrel-riding, boating, pony-riding, mountain-climbing, hill-of-gold-scrambling and a giant orc-slaughtering battle at the end, you could easily get 3 two hour movies out of it.

And that's without adding bunny-sled riding clowns, elf romances, Great White Orcs, or Disneyworld Goblin City rides.

Antar Bolaeisk · 02-07-2013 9:45am

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

If you filmed everything that's in the book, you could easily get 2 two hour moves from it. The BBC did a straight 4 hour radio version in the 60s.

If you do a mild Jackson on it, adding long helicopter shots of landscape-trudging, rock-climbing, tunnel-walking, scree-sliding, eagle-riding, tree-climbing, barrel-riding, boating, pony-riding, mountain-climbing, hill-of-gold-scrambling and a giant orc-slaughtering battle at the end, you could easily get 3 two hour movies out of it.

And that's without adding bunny-sled riding clowns, elf romances, Great White Orcs, or Disneyworld Goblin City rides.

You forgot the singing

.E_C_K_S. · 01-10-2013 3:04pm

New trailer out today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbOEknbi4gQ

Roar · 01-10-2013 3:12pm

It should just be called The Hobbit: Greenscreen at this stage.

Gbear · 01-10-2013 3:34pm

I'm quite excited.

I enjoyed the Hobbit, even if it wasn't what you'd call a 100% faithful recreation.

david75 · 01-10-2013 3:40pm

Wow. Just from one viewing it looks like Jackson has gone crazy with the changes.

Gbear · 01-10-2013 3:57pm

david75 wrote: »

Wow. Just from one viewing it looks like Jackson has gone crazy with the changes.

So there's some lovey-dovey stuff with Legolas and Tauriel which wasn't in the books (but Legolas was theoretically there at least, just not mentioned, given that he's Thranduil's son) and there's the orcs again but that's just the same invention from the last film. Can't see too much else

Other than that you see them escaping in barrells, Bilbo confronting Smaug, Gandalf in Dol Guldur, Beorn, the spiders, Smaug attacking Laketown. Ticks all the boxes there.

david75 · 01-10-2013 6:50pm

NNNNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Tolkien The Silmarillion Movie Coming - MoviesOnline - http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_11758.html
As the saying goes '"Never" is the word God listens out for whenever he needs a laugh'

nyarlothothep · 01-10-2013 6:57pm

Awesome! I was just going to post today that there should be a Silmarillion movie, at the time I preferred the book over LOTR and the Hobbit. Hey you could even make a tv series out of the Unfinished Tales.

Mickeroo · 01-10-2013 7:11pm

Sure it's green screen heavy but I think it looks great. First one was a dissappointment (trialers looked great for that too of course) but since the plot should actually advance a bit in the next two I'm expecting more complete films. Personally the main thing I'm looking forward to is

Bard shooting Smaug our of the sky

Re-read the book in the summer for the first time since I was a teenager, and that's easily my favourite passage in it.

expectationlost · 02-10-2013 7:25am

didn't really like that trailer, who ever cared about the elves

.ak · 02-10-2013 10:21am

david75 wrote: »

NNNNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Tolkien The Silmarillion Movie Coming - MoviesOnline - http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_11758.html
As the saying goes '"Never" is the word God listens out for whenever he needs a laugh'

I remember a few years ago the Tolkien estate issues a statement that they would never release the rights of the Silmarillion?

It would make an epic, epic movie... but it'd need to be looked at as an entirely different style of movie, it wouldn't be a family-summer-mega-movie, but much darker, historic, GOT style thing.

Zubeneschamali · 02-10-2013 11:13am

.ak wrote: »

I remember a few years ago the Tolkien estate issues a statement that they would never release the rights of the Silmarillion?

It would make an epic, epic movie...

First, the link above to a Silmarillion rumour is a joke: it just say "We heard a rumour that the Silmarillion movie is in talks". Christopher Tolkien hates the LotR movies, and has said, basically, over my dead body will anyone film the Silmarillion.

Second, if you did have the rights, there are umpteen stories in there you could film, and some of them would be perfect Jackson summer blockbusters.

david75 · 02-10-2013 5:48pm

As far as I'm aware the Tolkien estate are dead set against any further films so Silmarillioj won't get made. And it is completely totally unfilmable as a whole. As the other poster said, there are some stories in there that would make great movies but the whole?
No way.

Children of Hurin/the story of Turin Turambar, that would be a class film. Or trilogy haha

PirateShampoo · 02-10-2013 6:58pm

david75 wrote: »

As far as I'm aware the Tolkien estate are dead set against any further films so Silmarillioj won't get made. And it is completely totally unfilmable as a whole. As the other poster said, there are some stories in there that would make great movies but the whole?
No way.

Children of Hurin/the story of Turin Turambar, that would be a class film. Or trilogy haha

They said the same thing about LotR being unfilmable.

snausages · 02-10-2013 7:00pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

If you filmed everything that's in the book, you could easily get 2 two hour moves from it. The BBC did a straight 4 hour radio version in the 60s.

If you do a mild Jackson on it, adding long helicopter shots of landscape-trudging, rock-climbing, tunnel-walking, scree-sliding, eagle-riding, tree-climbing, barrel-riding, boating, pony-riding, mountain-climbing, hill-of-gold-scrambling and a giant orc-slaughtering battle at the end, you could easily get 3 two hour movies out of it.

Yeah, but that's the thing about adaptations. You don't need to include all that ****e. The hobbit could have easily been one film.

The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug

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