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Man's personal life revealed on facebook by eavesdropping stanger!

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    #32
    wonderfulname
    Registered Users Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭wonderfulname


    Why is this incident in particular raising questions about privacy and slander? What about all the other ones? It's not remotely uncommon for people to record or photograph strangers and shame them online, it's also not uncommon for these incidents to garner attention.


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    #33
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    h2005 wrote: »
    IF

    Cheaters lie. They could be caught red handed and they will deny everything to their graves.

    He could turn around to his wife and deny everything and anything and make himself out be a good boy capable of doing no wrong.


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    #34
    h2005
    Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭h2005


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    Cheaters lie. They could be caught red handed and they will deny everything to their graves.

    He could turn around to his wife and deny everything and anything and make himself out be a good boy capable of doing no wrong.

    He may not be a cheater though. We`re just going by the word of a woman who was on the same train.


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    #35
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wonderfulname wrote: »
    Why is this incident in particular raising questions about privacy and slander?

    It does seem to have hit a nerve.

    ilovesleep wrote: »
    Cheaters lie. They could be caught red handed and they will deny everything to their graves.

    He could turn around to his wife and deny everything and anything and make himself out be a good boy capable of doing no wrong.

    Sounds like a bit of projection there.

    We have no idea what this guy is really like, a snapshot of a person doesn't reveal the whole story.

    I think he should be shot for having a loud phone conversation on the train, whether or not he's an obnoxious boasting cheater is secondary to that, it's my pet hate.


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    #36
    Rasheed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Rasheed


    The fella could be full of shiite and not be cheating or could be the biggest player/ man whore around. He still doesn't deserve this and more importantly his wife/ family doesn't deserve this.


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    #37
    yore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    Rasheed wrote: »
    The fella could be full of shiite and not be cheating or could be the biggest player/ man whore around. He still doesn't deserve this and more importantly his wife/ family doesn't deserve this.

    Yes he deserves it.

    and no, they don't deserve him. but they deserve to know


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    #38
    Festy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭Festy


    You can't do anything nowadays without someone **** putting it up on FB.


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    #39
    Rasheed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Rasheed


    yore wrote: »
    Yes he deserves it.

    and no, they don't deserve him. but they deserve to know

    I disagree. How do know for sure he is a cheat? How do you know he wasn't talking pure cowshiite in front of his friends?


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    #40
    Killer Wench
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Killer Wench


    Have y'all seen the website "People of Walmart". It's a website that features photos of people out shopping at Walmart. Usually, these images are of severely obese people, people with disabilities, people who dress funny, or whatever may be deemed appropriate for public ridicule. Photojournalists have always taken pictures of people out on the street and reported on the daily news. You do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy while sitting on a public train and broadcasting your conversation loud enough for others to hear.

    However, the woman does not know if what this man said was true or if he was embellishing simply because he was around friends. So, when she began spreading his image around the net with the words that he was a cheating husband, she began to publicly defame his character. The defense to libel is the truth, and now she has the burden of proving that he did in fact cheat on his wife.


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    #41
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Latchy wrote: »
    Cheating is one thing but if somebody were to follow her around with a camera , find some flaw in her character or life and post in for the world to see then she would be ok with this ...right ?

    I didn't see it like this at first not that I was 'yah, her for exposing his ass'. She had no right to do what she did. News like that should come from a personal source like a friend or family member and not through facebook or the newspaper.


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    #42
    Killer Wench
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Killer Wench


    wonderfulname wrote: »
    Why is this incident in particular raising questions about privacy and slander? What about all the other ones? It's not remotely uncommon for people to record or photograph strangers and shame them online, it's also not uncommon for these incidents to garner attention.

    This is truth, and people act in consternation because they don't understand why teen bullying is so rampant. Why? Because they have learned from the adults in their lives.


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    #43
    batistuta9
    Registered Users Posts: 8,134 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    Killer Wench wrote: »

    However, the woman does not know if what this man said was true or if he was embellishing simply because he was around friends. So, when she began spreading his image around the net with the words that he was a cheating husband, she began to publicly defame his character. The defense to libel is the truth, and now she has the burden of proving that he did in fact cheat on his wife.

    Would she not have to prove he actually said it?


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    #44
    Latchy
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    Candie wrote: »
    I think he should be shot for having a loud phone conversation on the train, whether or not he's an obnoxious boasting cheater is secondary to that, it's my pet hate.
    There's at least one in every pub in every city , town and village .


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    #45
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Rasheed wrote: »
    I disagree. How do know for sure he is a cheat? How do you know he wasn't talking pure cowshiite in front of his friends?

    If he was talking pure cowsh1te in front of his friends, he needs to get help for lying. What would be his purpose of lying to his friends about something like that? Self esteem issues?


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    #46
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    I didn't see it like this at first not that I was 'yah, her for exposing his ass'. She had no right to do what she did. News like that should come from a personal source like a friend or family member and not through facebook or the newspaper.
    Indeed .


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    #47
    Killer Wench
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Killer Wench


    batistuta9 wrote: »
    Would she not have to prove he actually said it?

    She doesn't know the full context of the story. For all that she knows, the men could be a group of actors who decided to go on a public train, be obnoxious, and see if anyone intervenes. Or, maybe they had a contest amongst themselves on who could fabricate the most outlandish story ever. He's really free to say whatever he wants. She took what he said at face value, yes, but then she took the extra steps to post his face, share what she thinks is the truth, and then told people to pass it along.


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    #48
    Rasheed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Rasheed


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    If he was talking pure cowsh1te in front of his friends, he needs to get help for lying. What would be his purpose of lying to his friends about something like that? Self esteem issues?

    Help for lying? Go way outta that! Have you or someone you know ever lied in front of friends to act 'cool' or get respect? Yeah it's sad if he is lying or bullshiiting but it's very common!


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    #49
    hatrickpatrick
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    I don't have a problem with the so called privacy violation here, if you're blabbering loudly on a train what the hell do you expect, but the fact that someone can make such an accusation and have almost 200,000 people believe it without a shred of evidence other than her word against his, is a little disturbing to say the least.

    If I take a photo on a train tomorrow of someone looking at a smartphone and attach a caption saying "Paedo looking at infant porn", how many people are going to join the witch hunt and share the pic before someone points out "Wait, we can't see the screen, how do we know hatrickpatrick isn't just being a douche and lying to get this guy in sh!t"?


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    #50
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,275 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Stinicker wrote: »
    She really needs to be taught a lesson for this and I hope he sues for such libelous and scandalous comment to make about him.

    It's not libel if its true.


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    #51
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users Posts: 3,709 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    I think Daily Mail readers should be exposed and bullied on facebook :pac:


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    #52
    Max Power1
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    Prodigious wrote: »
    Or .. you know .... Don't cheat?
    Sure where's the fun in that? :P


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    #53
    Stark
    Registered Users Posts: 20,965 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    At first read I thought "God what a bitch". But thinking about it, if I was stuck in a carriage listening to some idiot brag to the whole carriage about his conquests for 2 hours too, I'd probably be tempted to do the same.


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    #54
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users Posts: 11,188 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    While on one hand he is a prick for cheating on his wife and bragging about it ... on the other, she has no right to put his picture online etc. It's not like she was friends with the wife or anything. Just some random stranger.

    To hell with the both being honest. But she has just left herself open to be sued by him. It is America after all.


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    #55
    batistuta9
    Registered Users Posts: 8,134 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    Killer Wench wrote: »
    She doesn't know the full context of the story. For all that she knows, the men could be a group of actors who decided to go on a public train, be obnoxious, and see if anyone intervenes. Or, maybe they had a contest amongst themselves on who could fabricate the most outlandish story ever. He's really free to say whatever he wants. She took what he said at face value, yes, but then she took the extra steps to post his face, share what she thinks is the truth, and then told people to pass it along.

    What im asking is: what happens if the guy comes out now and denies saying that?

    Surely she has to prove he said it in the first place

    It's her word against his, is it not?


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    #56
    batistuta9
    Registered Users Posts: 8,134 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    Why does everyone believe the woman?

    Them guys could've done anything to annoy her & she's just taken revenge on them

    she says the other guys were supposedly bragging too, they'll be known as well even if they haven't been snapped on camera. She could have a lot of lawsuits coming up


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    #57
    Kathryn Orange Trigger
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    BostonB wrote: »
    Is it private if you are speaking loudly in a public space?

    There's a massive difference between a couple of people being able to hear you and the entire world hearing you. How do people not manage to grasp this? People make decisions about what to say depending on who is listening. Recording someone without their knowledge is sneaky and underhanded. If I'm in the pub having a conversation with my mate, we're technically in public, but probably talking about things I wouldn't want my parents/boss/friends to hear (depending on the topic). That some people seem to think anything you utter is fair game for broadcasting to the world is really scary.


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    #58
    Killer Wench
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Killer Wench


    batistuta9 wrote: »
    What im asking is: what happens if the guy comes out now and denies saying that?

    Surely she has to prove he said it in the first place

    It's her word against his, is it not?

    I'll have to re-read the article but was it a video of him or simply a photograph? He could deny saying that he said. And, that brings me to wonder if he was sitting on a train bragging with a bunch of other men, why was this one man singled out?


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    #59
    batistuta9
    Registered Users Posts: 8,134 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    Killer Wench wrote: »
    I'll have to re-read the article but was it a video of him or simply a photograph? He could deny saying that he said. And, that brings me to wonder if he was sitting on a train bragging with a bunch of other men, why was this one man singled out?

    In the link in the OP it says she heard them & put a picture on FB, they've the same picture.
    I haven't heard of any video

    Looks like he's the one sitting facing her - she's able to get the shot of him

    That also makes him sound to be the main bragger, no one wants to hate on the back of some seats now do they :) much easier with a face


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    #60
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    If he was talking pure cowsh1te in front of his friends, he needs to get help for lying. What would be his purpose of lying to his friends about something like that? Self esteem issues?
    Who knows, but it's not a matter for public adjudication either. The law doesn't 'do' retributive justice via social media.
    BostonB wrote: »
    Is it private if you are speaking loudly in a public space?
    It can be, yes.

    I have no idea how things work in the USA in relation to privacy. But if this happened in Europe, the person who took the images and posted the information would have to demonstrate (among other things) a public interest in what they were posting. It is not adequate for a video or images simply to serve as entertainment, and this is particularly high bar to overcome in respect of private individuals.

    On the other hand, for a breach of privacy to have occurred, the subject of the breach (the cheater) would have to demonstrate a certain level of seriousness or sensitivity of the information being "megaphoned". Obviously, there is no doubt but that it applies in relation to his marriage and his sex life.

    So yes, in case anyone feels like doing something similar on the Dart or Luas, this is private information and you'd be better advised just to ask the person in question to stfu.


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    #61
    Lemming
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    endacl wrote: »
    It's not libel if its true.

    Prove the conversation was true with nothing other than a picture of some guy sitting in a seat.

    What's that there Ted? Proof? Sure that's a mad yoke altogether Ted!


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