LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

Lurching

Andrew33 wrote: »

An NCT is only valid the moment it’s issued.

An NCT is valid until it expires, but that doesn't mean the car is roadworthy.

Rows Grower

Lurching wrote: »

An NCT is valid until it expires, but that doesn't mean the car is roadworthy.

Valid after it expires too since the ol' Covid carry on.

crazyjim

Andrew33 wrote: »

Of course, onus is on the driver to make sure vehicle is taxed, NCT’d and even beyond the NCT, is in a roadworthy condition. An NCT is only valid the moment it’s issued.

That wasn't the question. The question is about the obligation of a dealer in a sale. A dealer selling a car without an NCT is selling a car that is de-facto unroadworthy.

Jesuitical arguments like "the car can only be relied on to be roadworthy at the instant the NCT cert is printed" are cute but really have nothing to do with it.

Sam Russell

The test of roadworthiness is two fold.

1. The car has a valid NCT.

2. The car is roadworthy by having all legal requirement - such as tyres with adequate tread and condition, all the other parts of the car, like bakes and steering, suspension, are safe and work safely. A Gard will decide if necessary.

Not having an NCT is absolute evidence that the car is not roadworthy.

ohnonotgmail

crazyjim wrote: »

That wasn't the question. The question is about the obligation of a dealer in a sale. A dealer selling a car without an NCT is selling a car that is de-facto unroadworthy.

Jesuitical arguments like "the car can only be relied on to be roadworthy at the instant the NCT cert is printed" are cute but really have nothing to do with it.

there is no legal requirement that a car sold by a dealer must have an NCT.

Andrew33

crazyjim wrote: »

That wasn't the question. The question is about the obligation of a dealer in a sale. A dealer selling a car without an NCT is selling a car that is de-facto unroadworthy.

Jesuitical arguments like "the car can only be relied on to be roadworthy at the instant the NCT cert is printed" are cute but really have nothing to do with it.

There’s no obligation on the dealer to sell a car with a valid NCT. End of.

Furzy

crazyjim wrote: »

That wasn't the question. The question is about the obligation of a dealer in a sale. A dealer selling a car without an NCT is selling a car that is de-facto unroadworthy.

I think there is an obligation on the dealer not to sell a car that is dangerous to the buyer or general public when driven (unless the dealer makes it clear to the buyer that this danger exists). Whether or not the car has a valid NCT is irrelevant in this respect. Lack on an NCT means that a car does not comply with legal requirements if driven on a public road - I don’t agree that it makes that car unroadworthy.

Andrew33

Furzy wrote: »

I don’t agree that it makes that car unroadworthy.

Totally agree. The lack of valid nct simlly means the vehicle can not be used on a PUBLIC road, it does NOT de facto mean the vehicle is unroadworthy as mentioned above.
Conversely, a valid NCT does not de facto mean a vehicle IS roadworthy.

Sam Russell

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

there is no legal requirement that a car sold by a dealer must have an NCT.

Andrew33 wrote: »

There’s no obligation on the dealer to sell a car with a valid NCT. End of.

I would not agree with this.

If I purchase a car without an NCT from Dodgy Cars Ltd (dealers in classy cars), and on the way home, a nasty incident ensues from a defect with the car, I think the dealer is legally liable, unless it is proved that it was something other than the car that caused the incident. Onus of proof on the dealer.

A dealer needs to be quite clear that the purchaser should not drive the car, but if they do, it is their responsibility. Public liability comes into it. This would not apply to a private sale (unless 'private' is fake).

ohnonotgmail

Sam Russell wrote: »

I would not agree with this.

If I purchase a car without an NCT from Dodgy Cars Ltd (dealers in classy cars), and on the way home, a nasty incident ensues from a defect with the car, I think the dealer is legally liable, unless it is proved that it was something other than the car that caused the incident. Onus of proof on the dealer.

A dealer needs to be quite clear that the purchaser should not drive the car, but if they do, it is their responsibility. Public liability comes into it. This would not apply to a private sale (unless 'private' is fake).

if the car has no NCT then you are not allowed to drive it. It is your responsibility to ensure that any vehicle you drive on a public road has a valid NCT, where an NCT is required.

Andrew33

Sam Russell wrote: »

I would not agree with this.

Whether you agree or not, that is the current situation.
Caveat emptor. ALWAYS.

Cheensbo

Sam Russell wrote: »

I would not agree with this.

If I purchase a car without an NCT from Dodgy Cars Ltd (dealers in classy cars), and on the way home, a nasty incident ensues from a defect with the car, I think the dealer is legally liable, unless it is proved that it was something other than the car that caused the incident. Onus of proof on the dealer.

A dealer needs to be quite clear that the purchaser should not drive the car, but if they do, it is their responsibility. Public liability comes into it. This would not apply to a private sale (unless 'private' is fake).

why would you drive a car with no NCT on the road though? That would be on you - not the dealer?

Personal responsibility is the only requirement I would have thought, a car dealer isn't some sort of a vocation, they can sell cars for any purpose they wish - trade, for parts, for scrap, roadworthy, unroadworthy - whatever.. Ultimately, the only person responsible for the car they are driving is the driver.

Now, if you have a dealer selling cars with a fake NCT or something, you have a point.

ELM327

Sam Russell wrote: »

I would not agree with this.

If I purchase a car without an NCT from Dodgy Cars Ltd (dealers in classy cars), and on the way home, a nasty incident ensues from a defect with the car, I think the dealer is legally liable, unless it is proved that it was something other than the car that caused the incident. Onus of proof on the dealer.

A dealer needs to be quite clear that the purchaser should not drive the car, but if they do, it is their responsibility. Public liability comes into it. This would not apply to a private sale (unless 'private' is fake).

Sale of Goods and Supply of Services act would concur with you

ohnonotgmail

ELM327 wrote: »

Sale of Goods and Supply of Services act would concur with you

It says that if they drive a car without an NCT that the dealer is responsible?

KevRossi

Any dealer with sense writes a clause in sales contract that states the vehicle is unroadworthy and only suited for parts or extensive repairs, if they know the car to be out of NCT. That's what a couple of them have done to me. I was happy enough with it.

Anyway, enough of that, let's look at some barges.

Here's a low mileage petrol V8 barge with a new NCT valid to September. You can get them cheaper, but this one looks nice. A quick check of the brand for the new tyres will give an indication of ho much it was loved. €4,950.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a8-2005/18701236





If you prefer diesel, this is for €3250, NCT to Feb. https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a8/26350930

Eric Cartman

tiny miles on that 3.7 and the interior shows it.

KevRossi

KevRossi wrote: »

............. A quick check of the brand for the new tyres will give an indication of ho much it was loved. €4,950............

It's a dealer selling it, if he put on cheap sh1te it's no indication of how much the car was loved.

traco

Those A8's have aged well I think. it it was in the UK with a personalised plate and a nice set of rims most peole would have no clue they are 14 year old cars.

crazyjim

ELM327 wrote: »

Sale of Goods and Supply of Services act would concur with you

Precisely. Section 13 is unequivocal on roadworthiness. The act predates the NCT regime. But NCT is the State's test of roadworthiness.

That's why you see the below. Which seems to be in accordance with Section 13.

KevRossi wrote: »

Any dealer with sense writes a clause in sales contract that states the vehicle is unroadworthy and only suited for parts or extensive repairs, if they know the car to be out of NCT. That's what a couple of them have done to me. I was happy enough with it.

theoneeyedman

mickdw wrote: »

Id drive one too but some of them look very old man ish such as that beige one.
Any other colour in them seems much fresher.
Id say the same of the E class - some look only fit for pensioner and some are sporty depending on spec and colour.

Call it gold, not beige, and it's sound.

commited

KevRossi wrote: »

Any dealer with sense writes a clause in sales contract that states the vehicle is unroadworthy and only suited for parts or extensive repairs, if they know the car to be out of NCT. That's what a couple of them have done to me. I was happy enough with it.

Anyway, enough of that, let's look at some barges.

Here's a low mileage petrol V8 barge with a new NCT valid to September. You can get them cheaper, but this one looks nice. A quick check of the brand for the new tyres will give an indication of ho much it was loved. €4,950.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a8-2005/18701236

Lovely jammer but it's been for sale for at least 3 years now. If it's been sitting barely used for all that time, there could be trouble ahead.

I loved my A8, not a small car for city car parks though!

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-s500-lwb-tax-test-2021/26831870



Tidy looking LWB S500 with NCT til July 2021 and a bit of tax, €1850

Original Irish, and 700 quids worth of new tyres apparently. Could be a nice old smoker for about 1500 quid

Atlantic Dawn

Would the DVD unit for the rear have been factory fit? I've seen some cars with them fitted aftermarket and it's a proper butcher job.

Duke O Smiley

Nah, I doubt its original. The w220 was available with a factory rear screen but it looked like this



I'd say that Alpine unit was probably fitted years ago though when the car was fairly new.

Midnight_EG

Merry Christmas bargers

jharr100

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-gs300-nct-tax-low-miles/26879802

GS300 with a shortish test.

Eric Cartman

jharr100 wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-gs300-nct-tax-low-miles/26879802

GS300 with a shortish test.

must be on the cc rate with no tax rate mentioned.

Truckermal

Eric Cartman wrote: »

must be on the cc rate with no tax rate mentioned.

No it's €1494.. Same as my old one a beautiful cruiser and bulletproof.

About 1K overpriced, it needs a wheel refurbishment...

trellheim

I drive GS such a pity Lexus arent making them anymore.

KevRossi

LS 460. New NCT to 11/20. Claimed FSH. From a dealer with no info in the ad. Nice reg plate, nice colours.

€4,950. I just checked prices of these in Germany. They go for €13-15,000, but you pay around €300 p.a. for tax over there for one of these.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-ls460-full-service-history-new-nct/26798681