LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

Brasso

Huge reliability advantage for the Lexus over the Porsche there too I would say. Just looking at how that new model is a very low €280 or €390 per year to tax vs €1809 for the old model you're looking at a pretty significant saving over 3 years. I can see that tipping the balance in favour of the newer version as long as you don't mind the interest on a loan or opportunity cost of buying outright.

milltown

I fully agree that they're ugly as sin. But IMO most of the barges gracing these pages are pretty hideous on the outside. All the Lexii, a lot of the Mercs, older and newer 7ers and to a lesser extent the XJ style Daimlers and Jags, but that misses the point of the luxobarge IMO. The pleasure is on the inside and in the driving.


That said, I don't think I've ever seen a Porsche interior that looked better than OK but a few times I've seen a Cayenne take off and it's taken me a second to accept that I'm seeing something that big move so fast, including one that tore up a road with speed bumps as if they weren't there. Maybe that's not the type of wafting along that a barge does best though.

Big Nasty

milltown wrote: »

older 7ers

Wash your mouth! :eek:

Atlantic Dawn

Furzy wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-rx-2007-1-owner-hybryd-like-new/17181687

Here’s an alternative to the Porche and one that I’m seriously considering as it has the comfort and the goodies of the GS450h but with decent boot space and folding seats. I've found one similar to the above with low miles and decent service history but I’m hesitant about pulling the plug because I figure it will be impossible to sell after say 3 years because the 2010 low tax models will have dropped in price. So it seems to make more financial sense to go for the 2010 now at a cost of about €18k and sell on in 3 years for 9-10k (8.5k cost for 3yr) versus sinking 5k plus 4.5k extra road tax into the 06-07 model (9.5k cost for 3yr). Seems counter-intuitive and I’m less comfortable with the higher cost car but looks like lower road tax will be the end of the cheap luxobarge. Any opinions?

If it was me I would go with a pre 2008, keep for 2 years, then stick up for sale with 3 months tax and NCT, should get €2k all day long. Then if your still fond of them which you may or may not be buy the 2010 model which by then will have depreciated from €18k to much nearer €10k.

Idbatterim

milltown wrote: »

I fully agree that they're ugly as sin. But IMO most of the barges gracing these pages are pretty hideous on the outside. All the Lexii, a lot of the Mercs, older and newer 7ers and to a lesser extent the XJ style Daimlers and Jags, but that misses the point of the luxobarge IMO. The pleasure is on the inside and in the driving.


That said, I don't think I've ever seen a Porsche interior that looked better than OK but a few times I've seen a Cayenne take off and it's taken me a second to accept that I'm seeing something that big move so fast, including one that tore up a road with speed bumps as if they weren't there. Maybe that's not the type of wafting along that a barge does best though.

Agreed. Just bought an S500 lwb. The only good looking barge in my opinion from around the 2006 era. The facelift 7 series isn't bad...

jharr100

Brasso wrote: »

Huge reliability advantage for the Lexus over the Porsche there too I would say. Just looking at how that new model is a very low €280 or €390 per year to tax vs €1809 for the old model you're looking at a pretty significant saving over 3 years. I can see that tipping the balance in favour of the newer version as long as you don't mind the interest on a loan or opportunity cost of buying outright.

The 08 is 1200 to tax per annum, afaik

commited

Idbatterim wrote: »

Agreed. Just bought an S500 lwb. The only good looking barge in my opinion from around the 2006 era. The facelift 7 series isn't bad...

Fair play man, great car!

Brasso

jharr100 wrote: »

The 08 is 1200 to tax per annum, afaik

Yeah I think 08 is still an older model, Furzy was talking about the newer model that came around 09 or 10 I believe.

Furzy

Brasso wrote: »

Yeah I think 08 is still an older model, Furzy was talking about the newer model that came around 09 or 10 I believe.

Yes, the 08 is still the Rx400h - same as the earlier (from 05) model but lower tax of 1200 based on CO2 emissions vs 1800 of earlier years. Very few 08 specimens for sale and they seem to command a premium of at least 2k. The first of newer Rx450h model came in late 09.

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/stunning-07-lexus-ls-460-self-parking-system/17562047



Paging Truckermal! 2 owners, long NCT, €5950

jharr100

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volvo-s80-lux/17551228

Is a Volvo s80 luxobargey enough ?

Atlantic Dawn

jharr100 wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volvo-s80-lux/17551228

Is a Volvo s80 luxobargey enough ?

Yes I think so. A couple months back there was a similar one for sale but I think that ad you have is a higher spec again. Ownership on that one was changed to an individual on 15/12/2017, would have to ask yourself why someone would want to offload it within just over a week.

Top Dog

jharr100 wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volvo-s80-lux/17551228

Is a Volvo s80 luxobargey enough ?

Is the angle of the dash-screen adjustable - or do they all face the floor in the rear of the car? :eek:

Truckermal

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/stunning-07-lexus-ls-460-self-parking-system/17562047



Paging Truckermal! 2 owners, long NCT, €5950

That looks savage! I only spent a few bob on my own GS this week fixing a oil leak plus changing the gear and diff oil! The wheels look great on that and not the normal boring yokes that come with a Lexus.

jayo26

Wouldn't be a Volvo fan but that s80 is really nice.. it's just something different then the usual.

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz-cl500-new-nct-01-19/17406441



Risky..NCT 1/19 €2750

lassykk

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz-cl500-new-nct-01-19/17406441



Risky..NCT 1/19 €2750

Excuse my ignorance here but what's the risk you see?

mickdw

lassykk wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance here but what's the risk you see?

Now to answer for Duke but it would be seriously risky for me too. CL can be a money pit at best of times. A cheap early CL could easily run up repair bills of multiples of the purchase price in a very short time.
A car that cost as much as a house new can be fairly scary if ot goes wrong which these often did.

Duke O Smiley

Yeah, it’s an early model packed with new (at the time) technology. Things were bound to break and they did, and still do. I have absolutely no experience with this model but have read a lot over the years on their problems.

The photos in that particular ad are a bit dodgy too. First thing that spring to mind was why is the seller standing so far away? Is he or she hiding something on the paintwork?

Voodoomelon

All the same, offer him €1800 today and he'd take it. These things were, and still are, so overpriced when new.

emergencylime

That S80 is the beans! Not seen one with that spec, an ex-demo perhaps?

Blazer

It's just done a new nct so what's the risk.
And most people don't really have a clue about taking pics. He probably thought it looked better that far away to get a better profile.

commited

Blazer wrote: »

It's just done a new nct so what's the risk.
And most people don't really have a clue about taking pics. He probably thought it looked better that far away to get a better profile.

NCT provides no real certainty regarding the condition of a car. The suspension on these cars = big bills if it goes wrong and they can be an electrical nightmare.
They are absolutely beautiful though, drove one years ago.

griffin100

Blazer wrote: »

It's just done a new nct so what's the risk.
And most people don't really have a clue about taking pics. He probably thought it looked better that far away to get a better profile.

I brought a barge for an NCT last Thursday as part of a test drive. It failed on a rear suspension imbalance. Not too bad thought I. I then brought it to my mechanic and we put it on the ramp. Both front tyres were so bald they had the wire showing and there was a hughe amount of play on the passenger front wheel due to a wishbone that required replacement. Don't assume the NCT is an indicator of condition.

Blazer

griffin100 wrote: »

I brought a barge for an NCT last Thursday as part of a test drive. It failed on a rear suspension imbalance. Not too bad thought I. I then brought it to my mechanic and we put it on the ramp. Both front tyres were so bald they had the wire showing and there was a hughe amount of play on the passenger front wheel due to a wishbone that required replacement. Don't assume the NCT is an indicator of condition.

But it failed.
This one passed the nct so suspension should be fine.
Tyres should be fine. The only thing that could be a problem is maybe engine related but the fact that the car passed the nct at least shows what’s good.

jayo26

Blazer wrote: »

But it failed.
This one passed the nct so suspension should be fine.
Tyres should be fine. The only thing that could be a problem is maybe engine related but the fact that the car passed the nct at least shows what’s good.

I think his point was it only failed on the suspension but it had other problems that it passed on.

I'd never judge a car on an nct even take an imbalance for example with the breaks they are just checking that they are both wearing at the same rate but not checking that maybe the discs are nearly worn down.

Suspensions are even worse they are checking that they getting similar readings on both suspension but they both could be nearly knackered and on a car like that need changing parts of suspension would make the car worthless again you factor in everything else.

Blazer

jayo26 wrote: »

I think his point was it only failed on the suspension but it had other problems that it passed on.

I'd never judge a car on an nct even take an imbalance for example with the breaks they are just checking that they are both wearing at the same rate but not checking that maybe the discs are nearly worn down.

Suspensions are even worse they are checking that they getting similar readings on both suspension but they both could be nearly knackered and on a car like that need changing parts of suspension would make the car worthless again you factor in everything else.

The suspension tests don’t work like that.
I have put my previous car through and both frontsides were outside tolerance. Off to BMW and had them cover the items it failed on.

jayo26

Blazer wrote: »

The suspension tests don’t work like that.
I have put my previous car through and both frontsides were outside tolerance. Off to BMW and had them cover the items it failed on.

Has it changed? Wasn't suspensions done on imbalance? Yes they had to be inside a certain minimum but the minimum wouldn't be that high.

mickdw

Blazer wrote: »

The suspension tests don’t work like that.
I have put my previous car through and both frontsides were outside tolerance. Off to BMW and had them cover the items it failed on.

They do just check imbalance plus visual. They have no way of measuring whether shocks are performing to required spec.

jayo26

mickdw wrote: »

They do just check imbalance plus visual. They have no way of measuring whether shocks are performing to required spec.

Knew I wasn't crazy.