LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

James Bond Junior

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Whats the point of lovely V8, which kills 5 polar bears per mile, then? Last thing I would do to a luxobarge is put LPG. Just peronal opinion.

It was very popular thing back in my country, but I never liked it.

I suppose from my POV, I'd do the mileage to justify it!

BorneTobyWilde

Someone buy it or I will and fit a nissan 2.8 diesel into it .

Funny you see bmw 740's like that on uk car and classic site for big money, from 5k to over 10k pounds.
Could be an investment or at least a break even to drive for year and sell.

Brasso

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volkswagen-phaeton-5-0-v10-tdi-4motion-lwb-rare/13367790
'04 V10 Phaeton asking €7k.

unkel

A Phaeton is firmly on my short list of cars to own. 5 things wrong with that one though:

1. It's a diesel
2. It's too expensive
3. It's a diesel
4. no NCT
5. It's a diesel

cadaliac

Brasso wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volkswagen-phaeton-5-0-v10-tdi-4motion-lwb-rare/13367790
'04 V10 Phaeton asking €7k.

Not including vrt

Brasso

cadaliac wrote: »

Not including vrt

Ouch, way too pricey then didn't notice that in the ad.

It is a diesel but still an oddball engine of a type we will never see again. The rumours are that the Phaeton's successor will be all electric and I suppose that's a lot more befitting of a car like this but a V10 diesel in a luxury car will always stand out for its weirdness.

bear1

313bhp and 700nm of torque.
Would be a savage cruiser though.

Brasso

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/very-rare-irish-s55-amg-mercedes-5-5/14071193
An interesting one here but the reg is blocked and it probably has no NCT. I think this one is actually naturally aspirated and has only 360 HP compared to the later supercharged ones which were about 500 HP, if that's the case €5k doesn't seem suspiciously cheap so it could be alright.

jca

unkel wrote: »

A Phaeton is firmly on my short list of cars to own. 5 things wrong with that one though:

1. It's a diesel
2. It's too expensive
3. It's a diesel
4. no NCT
5. It's a diesel

It's bloody ugly too...

Eric Cartman

If you want the V10 TDI , fine a touareg, cheaper, commercial tax available and atleast you might be able to use all those newtonmeters to do some towing.

unkel

Big black gracious cat, with a huge presence on the road. Looks like it is in superb mechanical condition. Full service history, last stamp from Jaguar main dealer.



Linky

Negotiate hard, keep it in good order and you can be certain you will have a zero depreciation car. Quite likely the car will go up in value over the next few years...

C0N0R

unkel wrote: »

Big black gracious cat, with a huge presence on the road. Looks like it is in superb mechanical condition. Full service history, last stamp from Jaguar main dealer.



Linky

Negotiate hard, keep it in good order and you can be certain you will have a zero depreciation car. Quite likely the car will go up in value over the next few years...

I can't access done deal due to location, can you give me any more info?? Price? Dealer or Private? Is it an R or an 8? Cousin had one of these when I was growing up, I was in love! I remember he dropped me to school in it once, best journey to school ever!

unkel

"KEY INFO

Make Jaguar
Model XK8
Year 2004
Mileage 109,000 mi
Fuel Type Petrol
Transmission Automatic
Body Type ---
Engine Size 4.2 litre
Road Tax €1,809
NCT Expiry Jun 2017

DESCRIPTION

2004 XK8 109000 miles Excellent Service History been in day to day use could do with a little love few marks around wheel refurb etc 20 " alloys leather upgrade stereo nctd 06/17"

Seller has 3 cars for sale so probably a small time trader / private(ish) seller

Beautiful car, there's one near me that regularly passes me by. Lovely V8 burble from the engine too. Looks like it is worth many times more than what it is worth!

C0N0R

unkel wrote: »

"KEY INFO

Make Jaguar
Model XK8
Year 2004
Mileage 109,000 mi
Fuel Type Petrol
Transmission Automatic
Body Type ---
Engine Size 4.2 litre
Road Tax €1,809
NCT Expiry Jun 2017

DESCRIPTION

2004 XK8 109000 miles Excellent Service History been in day to day use could do with a little love few marks around wheel refurb etc 20 " alloys leather upgrade stereo nctd 06/17"

Seller has 3 cars for sale so probably a small time trader / private(ish) seller

Beautiful car, there's one near me that regularly passes me by. Lovely V8 burble from the engine too. Looks like it is worth many times more than what it is worth!

Price??

unkel

C0N0R wrote: »

Price??

Looks like I forgot the most important bit

Asking €5,400

C0N0R

unkel wrote: »

C0N0R wrote: »

Price??

Looks like I forgot the most important bit

Asking €5,400

Thanks, home in a month so if it's still about I could be very tempted! Anyone dare to hazard what insurance would be like on it? 30 male max ncb living in the country low miles

unkel

Already been for sale for 19 days, so chances are it'll still be around next month. Demand for a car like this (with €511 motor tax per quarter :rolleyes: - only paid €422 today myself for 3 months motor tax ) is almost non-existent.

You'll have to check insurance yourself, if you're serious, ring all insurers and all brokers. Don't bother with online quotes. And the car is too young to qualify for classic insurance.

Truckermal

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-gs-300/13983272

08 GS for 3,750 but has a few minor marks plus the wheels probably need a lick of paint but only 94k on the clock!

Soarer

unkel wrote: »

Big black gracious cat, with a huge presence on the road. Looks like it is in superb mechanical condition. Full service history, last stamp from Jaguar main dealer.



Linky

Negotiate hard, keep it in good order and you can be certain you will have a zero depreciation car. Quite likely the car will go up in value over the next few years...

Steering wheel looks well worn for 100k miles.

Eric Cartman

Soarer wrote: »

Steering wheel looks well worn for 100k miles.

Its the problem with real leather, light coloured steering wheels. I wouldn't use that too much of an indicator

grogi

unkel wrote: »

Big black gracious cat, with a huge presence on the road. Looks like it is in superb mechanical condition. Full service history, last stamp from Jaguar main dealer.



Linky

Negotiate hard, keep it in good order and you can be certain you will have a zero depreciation car. Quite likely the car will go up in value over the next few years...

V8 4.2l - so without the Nikasil disaster... With much better 6-speed ZF 6HP26 gearbox.

If only it was an XKR - which will be depreciation free... I am not sure about the XK8 becoming a classic though... Why?

Older cars get harder and harder to fix. What is however different about cars from late 90s is that they were packed with electronics. What was cool then will be a nightmare later... Those parts will not be easily available in near future. One cannot just go to a precision workshop and produce a missing part - you genuinely will not be able to source the stupid CPU responsible for god-knows-what.

XK8 is not special enough to offset that problem. IMHO of course...

aerofoiled

unkel wrote: »

Already been for sale for 19 days, so chances are it'll still be around next month. Demand for a car like this (with €511 motor tax per quarter :rolleyes: - only paid €422 today myself for 3 months motor tax ) is almost non-existent.

You'll have to check insurance yourself, if you're serious, ring all insurers and all brokers. Don't bother with online quotes. And the car is too young to qualify for classic insurance.

Just did a very silly thing...got an online quote for this that out works out cheaper than on my bangernomics 325Ci. Only €3 cheaper but still.

I now need to urgently forget that I ever saw this car!

unkel

grogi wrote: »

With much better 6-speed ZF 6HP26 gearbox.

I think that's the same box as in my S-type. Very similar box as the one in my E60 BMW, the VW Phaeton and a few other cars I think.

grogi wrote: »

What was cool then will be a nightmare later... Those parts will not be easily available in near future.

I hear your point and it makes sense, but somehow in practice things don't seem too bad as long as you know where to look. Just as an example, it is pretty easy to source parts for reasonable money for the Porsche 928 (far rarer than an XK), but you might have to source them from the US

Or closer to home, second hand parts for a similar age S-type from the UK are cheaper than parts for a new Focus / Golf / Corolla

And how often do you need parts anyway?

grogi

unkel wrote: »

I think that's the same box as in my S-type. Very similar box as the one in my E60 BMW, the VW Phaeton and a few other cars I think.

It is very widely used autobox - good one, especially taking into account when it was introduced.

unkel wrote: »

I hear your point and it makes sense, but somehow in practice things don't seem too bad as long as you know where to look. Just as an example, it is pretty easy to source parts for reasonable money for the Porsche 928 (far rarer than an XK), but you might have to source them from the US

Or closer to home, second hand parts for a similar age S-type from the UK are cheaper than parts for a new Focus / Golf / Corolla

928 is a 1977 car... I rest my point

Mechanical parts are fine. That's why keeping an XKJ or an E-Type running will always be possible. Difficult, but possible.

Problems will happen when you need electronics... Once the chips are not available, it will be very hard to reverse engineer not only the hardware, but also the software. Mechanics might be perfect, but nothing to control it...

To clarify: I did not mean to say that this XK8 is bad. It is looking very tempting... I absolutely adore the curvatures of it... I just don't think it is depreciation free investment...

Arthur Daley

Given 1,809 tax and 109k miles, a price north of 5 grand looks a bit strong for this.

unkel

grogi wrote: »

928 is a 1977 car... I rest my point

You don't know the 928 very well then

Hint: full of electronics and they are the weakest point of the car. My '86 had electric seats, ABS, electric windows, electric mirrors, electric sunroof, cruise control, alarm, remote central locking, air conditioning and I probably forgot a few things there!

unkel

Arthur Daley wrote: »

Given 1,809 tax and 109k miles, a price north of 5 grand looks a bit strong for this.

Maybe it is. Irish people really don't like paying tax. And that is reflected in the price someone is willing to pay

But to put things in perspective: the cheapest '04 XK8 for sale in the UK is £10 grand...

cadaliac

unkel wrote: »

Maybe it is. Irish people really don't like paying tax. And that is reflected in the price someone is willing to pay

But to put things in perspective: the cheapest '04 XK8 for sale in the UK is £10 grand...

Guts of 2k per year most certainly adds to the cost of ownership. Yes irish people hate paying tax but mostly because we know we're being ripped off.
Its just a cost you must factor in when you're calculating the cost of the car.
Its all relevant, high tax and running costs will drive down the value of any car, old or new (ish)

Ninap

unkel wrote: »

Arthur Daley wrote: »

Given 1,809 tax and 109k miles, a price north of 5 grand looks a bit strong for this.

Maybe it is. Irish people really don't like paying tax. And that is reflected in the price someone is willing to pay

But to put things in perspective: the cheapest '04 XK8 for sale in the UK is £10 grand...

Would makes sense for someone from the UK to buy it so.  They wouldn't have to pay our ridiculous tax either.  And they might even get a VRT refund on export.

unkel

Aye but the cosmetic condition of the car (the way the seller describes it) is probably not good enough to attract that kinda money in the UK

I'm afraid many of the really good cars have found their way (back) across the water in the past nearly 10 years or so