Re-Occupy Galway discussion [Mod warning in post #1]

yara

after the recent crackdown on peaceful protest in Istanbul and the sudden revolution that spread across the country in a matter of hours all the Occupys of the world are coming back tomorrow at 12 because the system we exist under is just getting worse.

No need to complicate things, if you keep your head down you facilitate the system but if you dare try to stand up for yourself in Istanbul or Rossport you get the full force of the law down on you protecting business interests all the way.

Hindsight is on our side so seek the truth or bury your heads in the sand, both require digging but only one decision requires ignorance in spades

Mod: We all know how these threads go, so let's keep it civil on both sides.

swiftman

yara wrote: »

after the recent crackdown on peaceful protest in Istanbul and the sudden revolution that spread across the country in a matter of hours all the Occupys of the world are coming back tomorrow at 12 because the system we exist under is just getting worse.

No need to complicate things, if you keep your head down you facilitate the system but if you dare try to stand up for yourself in Istanbul or Rossport you get the full force of the law down on you protecting business interests all the way.

Hindsight is on our side so seek the truth or bury your heads in the sand, both require digging but only one decision requires ignorance in spades

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eyre square is great in this weather, dont turn it into a dump again!

Cleahaigh

swiftman wrote: »

eyre square is great in this weather, dont turn it into a dump again!

+1, these left-fascists need to stay in their box.

TerrorFirmer

Re-Occupy Galway returns tomorrow

Pretty sure at this stage even the mythical 99% would rather it didn't.

Kristopherus

+2. Wastes of space the lot of them.:rolleyes:

yara

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Pretty sure at this stage even the mythical 99% would rather it didn't.

are you're sure about that? you do realise 1,700,000 of us have less than €100 at the end of the month, add that to the 450,000+ on the dole or in college with no prospects of work and to the 300,000+ who emigrated and you're calling the 99% a myth.

have you seen the lives of those who created this mess reduced to mere existences? so many Irish exist now to collect dole or wages and hand out every penny of it on bills that have steadily increased over the last 5 years. this is not living

Mrs OBumble

yara wrote: »

are you're sure about that? you do realise 1,700,000 of us have less than €100 at the end of the month,

Source?

yara

this is a worldwide movement and the fact some of you are sound asleep or just don't want to see anyone standing up against the system is the last thing on any occupiers mind. if you feel so strongly about the camp come down and chat face to face or do us all a favour and step away from your keyboard

yara

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Source?

http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/61-of-people-have-under-e100-left-a-month-after-essential-bills-credit-unions-756535-Jan2013/

SOME 61 PER CENT of people have €100 or less left at the end of the month once essential bills are paid, according to the results of the final 2012 ‘What’s Left’ tracker series conducted by the Irish league of Credit Unions (ILCU).
Furthermore, the report shows that 1.59 million people are left with €50 or less at the end of the month once the essential bills have been paid, and that 56 per cent of the adult population believe that the worst is yet to come in terms of financial hardship this year.
In December 2012, 72 per cent million people believed that their disposable income had fallen since December 2011.
The ILCU says this “clearly reflects” the challenge that individuals and families have in making their household budgets stretch to cover essential day to day living.
There are a growing number of people who say that their disposable income is decreasing as prices rise and wages and social welfare benefits decrease.
Budget
The Budget has had a negative impact on the financial situation of 8 in 10 adults living in Ireland, according to the survey, with property tax and PRSI contributions likely to have the most pronounced impact on the population.
Survey respondents stated the Budget has had a negative impact on their financial situation (8 in 10 Irish adults): 23 per cent said their income and supports have taken a hit and that this will have a knock on effect on them and their families, 60 per cent stated that they were anticipating the decisions made in the budget, stating that it will just be another year of struggle for them. Another 15 per cent said the budget wasn’t as bad as they thought it was going to be and a further 2 per cent said they won’t be impacted at all by the budget decisions.
Some 41 per cent believe that the introduction of the property tax will have the most significant impact on them. Other areas that are also likely to have a marked impact on personal finances this year, include – the movement of the PRSI threshold (most significant impact for 19 per cent of adults), increased car registration costs (most significant impact for 6 per cent of adults) and the cut to child benefit (most significant impact stated by 9 per cent of adults).
The areas of the budget that were of particular concern to the respondents were – not being able to pay household bills (28 per cent), dealing with extra taxes (26 per cent), the impact of the budget (14 per cent), the property tax (12 per cent, the increasing cost of utility bills (10 per cent), the European economy (5 per cent) and finding a job (5 per cent). 8 in 10 adults fear that 2013 will be a tougher financial year than 2012.
Meanwhile, nine in 10 Irish people say they have been negatively impacted by increased energy costs: 46 per cent are struggling to pay their household bills on time – slight drop on October 2012 figure of 50 per cent – and 41 per centsay they have had to sacrifice spending on other household items like food to pay their energy bills.
Moneylenders
The December 2012 findings show a growing awareness of moneylender activity in this country, but that 5 per cent of population regard moneylenders as a viable option for accessing credit.
The survey shows that 17 per cent are aware of money lending activity in their local area and a further 9 per cent are aware of intimidation by moneylenders in their local area. Meanwhile, 3 per cent say they have been approached by a moneylender in their own homes.
According to the ILCU, Irish adults are borrowing from moneylenders for a variety of reasons; the top four reasons were – to cover bills (50 per cent), to pay for Christmas (25 per cent), to pay rent (13 per cent) and for medical expenses (12 per cent).
In 2012, the ILCU called on the Government to put a legal cap on the interest rates charged by moneylenders in Ireland. It says that no such cap currently exists but in practice, the ceiling is just below 190 per cent APR. “With the level of personal indebtedness and financial exclusion in Ireland, there is a real danger of compounding the problem by allowing legal moneylenders to charge excessive rates,” the ICLU stated.
In terms of overall sentiment, 42 per cent say they will have to manage their household budgets very closely in order to get by this year, and 14 per cent feel positive about their ability to cope financially throughout this year.
The ILCU has been running the independent tracker series since the beginning of 2011 to examine the financial challenges Irish people have been encountering as the economy moves through recession. The ILCU says the aim of the trackers has been to try and shift the national debate away from macro economic analysis to try and get a real sense of the type of hardships that ordinary people and their families are facing on a daily basis around the country.

BuzzFish

yara wrote: »

this is a worldwide movement and the fact some of you are sound asleep

I wish I was but I have to get up and go to work every day to pay my bills. No time to sit around and make a nuisance of myself.

antoobrien

yara wrote: »

No need to complicate things, if you keep your head down you facilitate the system but if you dare try to stand up for yourself in Istanbul or Rossport you get the full force of the law down on you protecting business interests all the way.

One of the things that really p****d me off about the original protest about everything and anything was this kind of uninformed nonsense.

Not only was paying the senior bondholders of Irish banks in the interests of businesses, more importantly it was in your personal interest.

The short version is that if you want to hold back one cent of senior bondholder money, you have to hold back far more depositor money as they have to have the same proportional hit (and senior bonds have always ranked higher than deposits). Think about that for a second - the calls to burn all senior bonds would have resulting in wiping out up to €100bn (household deposits peaked at 99.4bn in 2009) of money that was deposited by private households. The Irish Central bank has a fund of about €300m to cover the deposit guarantee scheme, meaning that would have left a lot of families short of money.

yara

BuzzFish wrote: »

I wish I was but I have to get up and go to work every day to pay my bills. No time to sit around and make a nuisance of myself.

how are we making a nuisance of ourselves?? I hope your job is 100% secure but if not we'll keep a chair for you just in case

conor1979

yara wrote: »

this is a worldwide movement and the fact some of you are sound asleep or just don't want to see anyone standing up against the system is the last thing on any occupiers mind. if you feel so strongly about the camp come down and chat face to face or do us all a favour and step away from your keyboard

Maybe some of us like the system?

zarquon

yara wrote: »

how are we making a nuisance of ourselves?? I hope your job is 100% secure but if not we'll keep a chair for you just in case

Your protest goal is to make a nuisance of yourself towards the government and other capitalist entities. In the end all you served to do was make a nuisance of yourself towards the people of Galway who were all too glad to get their square back again. The truth is that the majority of people are against the occupy movement and i for one would be glad to see a counter protest group forming to protest the "occupy galway" group. You are a well meaning group, but your lack of focus and ineffectiveness in brining about change is a joke. No one in the Dail is paying attention to a small group of hippy anarchists sitting in tents in Eyre square. The global occupy movement has been a complete failure up to now and you can continue to flog the same dead horse all you want but you'll only get the same results (i.e. none)

antoobrien

yara wrote: »

In December 2012, 72 per cent million people believed that their disposable income had fallen since December 2011.

Interesting but directly contradicted by CSO sales figures, which show sales flat (when taking seasonal factors like weather & traditional sales into account) through 2011 & 2012. If disposable income is going down, the sales should be going down.

FanadMan

yara wrote: »

how are we making a nuisance of ourselves??

By destroying the beautiful looking Eyre Square with a disgusting looking camp and all the mess that goes with it.

ben.schlomo

yara wrote: »

how are we making a nuisance of ourselves?? I hope your job is 100% secure but if not we'll keep a chair for you just in case

Im sure if that poster lost their job they might do something more productive than sit in Eyre Square all day rocking back and forth with a tinfoil hat on.

yara

zarquon wrote: »

The global occupy movement has been a complete failure up to now and you can continue to flog the same dead horse all you want but you'll only get the same results (i.e. none)

that includes occupy sandy does it? even the hardest of occupy haters came out after that and pledged support fo the movement.

the only failure with the Irish occupy movements is the failure of most of the population to give a ****.

even after Savita the people still don't give a damn and would rather be distracted and argueing over something that was voted for over 20 years ago and would have saved countless lives in the meantime if it had just been legislated for and be done with it. instead everything turns into a political football to be passed around and time waste until next general elections

if you know so much about all this why don't you start your own group and if you're all so sure everyone agrees with you so wholeheartedly it will be a roaring success over night.

yara

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Im sure if that poster lost their job they might do something more productive than sit in Eyre Square all day rocking back and forth with a tinfoil hat on.

not one person has ever sat in eyre square rocking forward and back with a tin foil hat on. to make such a statement is really showing off your level of intelligence

ben.schlomo

yara wrote: »

that includes occupy sandy does it? even the hardest of occupy haters came out after that and pledged support fo the movement.

the only failure with the Irish occupy movements is the failure of most of the population to give a ****.

even after Savita the people still don't give a damn and would rather be distracted and argueing over something that was voted for over 20 years ago and would have saved countless lives in the meantime if it had just been legislated for and be done with it. instead everything turns into a political football to be passed around and time waste until next general elections

if you know so much about all this why don't you start your own group and if you're all so sure everyone agrees with you so wholeheartedly it will be a roaring success over night.

Nothing to do with Occupy, nice to see ye still have no clear point as to who or what ye are moaning about, any other bandwagon issue ye wanna jump on? Global warming? Carbon footprint? Human rights abuses? Bankers? Which is it, ye are so confused its like watching a blind monkey flying a plane.

yara

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Nothing to do with Occupy, nice to see ye still have no clear point as to who or what ye are moaning about, any other bandwagon issue ye wanna jump on? Global warming? Carbon footprint? Human rights abuses? Bankers? Which is it, ye are so confused its like watching a blind monkey flying a plane.

we are not confusing. it is you that's confused trying to correlate the occupy movement standing up against all the sh1t we're supposed to believe is just the way it is, cannot be changed with a blind monkey flying a plane

are you 5 years old by any chance??

hfallada

I hope they stay away from Dame Street, Dublin with the summer tourist coming. 99% of the Irish people dont care about the occupy movement. Some hedgefund manager in NYC isnt going to change his ways of doing business because a few people have too much time on their hands in Galway.

And OP the turkish uprising its about finance. its about an ethic minority has little say in Turkey

yara

conor1979 wrote: »

Maybe some of us like the system?

really? there's nothing you would change about it? all your friends, family etc are completely unaffected by the system??

ben.schlomo

yara wrote: »

we are not confusing. it is you that's confused trying to correlate the occupy movement standing up against all the sh1t we're supposed to believe is just the way it is, cannot be changed and a blind monkey flying a plane

are you 5 years old by any chance??

4 and 3 quarters actually and im still coming out of this better than you. :cool:

Nice work trying to take it off point too, but yes ye are ridiculously confused in what ye are 'protesting' about, like i said during the whole thing first time around if ye had a clear message and goal then ye might have some chance, but ye dont and didnt and thats why nobody gives a fiddlers, its not some sort of wild conspiracy against Occupy, its just reality, ye are no better or no more open than the 'system' ye continually whinge about..

yara

hfallada wrote: »

Some hedgefund manager in NYC isnt going to change his ways of doing business because a too few people have too much time on their hands in Galway everywhere.

fyp

imo the problem is not the occupy, it's the lack of public support to try force change from those who can change all our lives for the better.

we don't expect people who have jobs or are incapable of movement to join any protest but there are many people who do have the time but choose to spend it on everything but the chance of a new system for US ALL to live under

Fozzie Bear

Christ above not this bloody circus again. Why? What will it change? Whats the point?

Not one single thing will change because this shower set up a camp site in the middle of a small city on the extreme west coast of Ireland/Europe. Europe won't notice lads. Merkel et al are not quaking in the boots at the prospect of a few dippy hippy types living in tents within there little pallet enclosed hovel in Eyre square.

It won't spark riots like Turkey or Greece. The Banks won't change, social justice will not suddenly happen, nor re-distribution of wealth over night. Corruption and injustice will not be things of the past this time next week. I'm sure it's lovely living in their deluded world where they are convinced it will make a difference. Its probably a bit of craic too no doubt for them. But no, it absolutley 100% certainly, won't change an iota, nothing, nadda, zip, zilch.

What it will do is cost us, the tax payers, the people you purportedly represent and are doing this for, tens of thousands of euros in policing fees and the inevitable clean up when they are scraped up, carted off and the square hosed down again after everybody has gotten bloody sick of them.

It will create a massive eye sore in the middle of Galway at the height of the tourist season and potentially put people off from coming/staying here. Tourists who come here and spend money in restaurants and shops. Places that employ people on the most minimum of wages already. People you are supposed to represent and help!?!

Its helping nobody. It will change nothing. And no it is not better then "doing nothing at all." In fact its worse then doing nothing at all.

yara

ben.schlomo wrote: »

4 and 3 quarters actually and im still coming out of this better than you. :cool:

Nice work trying to take it off point too, but yes ye are ridiculously confused in what ye are 'protesting' about, like i said during the whole thing first time around if ye had a clear message and goal then ye might have some chance, but ye dont and didnt and thats why nobody gives a fiddlers, its not some sort of wild conspiracy against Occupy, its just reality, ye are no better or no more open than the 'system' ye continually whinge about..

it's you that's trying to take the whole thread off point

ben.schlomo

yara wrote: »

fyp

imo the problem is not the occupy, it's the lack of public support to try force change from those who can change all our lives for the better.

we don't expect people who have jobs or are incapable of movement to join any protest but there are many people who do have the time but choose to spend it on everything but the chance of a new system for US ALL to live under

Tell us about this system of yours? Details would be appreciated so us the people can examine it.

yara

Fozzie Bear wrote: »

Christ above not this bloody circus again. Why? What will it change? Whats the point?

Not one single thing will change because this shower set up a camp site in the middle of a small city on the extreme west coast of Ireland/Europe. Europe won't notice lads. Merkel et al are not quaking in the boots at the prospect of a few dippy hippy types living in tents within there little pallet enclosed hovel in Eyre square.

It won't spark riots like Turkey or Greece. The Banks won't change, social justice will not suddenly happen, nor re-distribution of wealth over night. Corruption and injustice will not be things of the past this time next week. I'm sure it's lovely living in their deluded world where they are convinced it will make a difference. Its probably a bit of craic too no doubt for them. But no, it absolutley 100% certainly, won't change an iota, nothing, nadda, zip, zilch.

What it will do is cost us, the tax payers, the people you purportedly represent and are doing this for, tens of thousands of euros in policing fees and the inevitable clean up when they are scraped up, carted off and the square hosed down again after everybody has gotten bloody sick of them.

It will create a massive eye sore in the middle of Galway at the height of the tourist season and potentially put people off from coming/staying here. Tourists who come here and spend money in restaurants and shops. Places that employ people on the most minimum of wages already. People you are supposed to represent and help!?!

Its helping nobody. It will change nothing. And no it is not better then "doing nothing at all." In fact its worse then doing nothing at all.

merkel won't notice what?

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/blockupy-protest-surrounds-european-central-bank-in-frankfurt-a-902981.html

Thousands of "Blockupy" protesters gathered in Frankfurt on Friday, surrounding the European Central Bank to air their concerns about euro-crisis policies. Both the banks and police were reportedly well-prepared for the anti-capitalist demonstration.

An estimated 2,500 supporters of the anti-capitalist group "Blockupy" demonstrated in the German financial capital of Frankfurt on Friday, blocking access to the European Central Bank (ECB) in protest of euro-crisis austerity policies.

Banging on drums and carrying signs that read slogans such as "Block the ECB -- Fight Capitalism and Austerity" and "Humanity before Profit," the demonstrators cut off roads leading into the downtown financial district.
"The business operations of the ECB have been successfully hindered," a spokeswoman said, according to the German news agency DPA. "We are making Europe-wide resistance to devastating policies of poverty visible."

The European Blockupy movement, which formed after the Occupy Wall Street movement in 2011, is critical of euro-zone leaders' approach to the debt crisis. Forcing struggling countries to raise taxes and implement tough austerity measures has only served to deepen the Continent-wide recession, they allege.

Banks Prepared for Protest

As the protest got underway in the morning, riot police surrounded the ECB building and took positions at other nearby financial institutions, while a helicopter hovered overhead. A police spokesman said he wouldn't necessarily characterize the event as a blockade, however.

Banks in the area were reportedly able to prepare for the demonstration, with many employees either taking the day off or working from home. Some traders were also reportedly working from undisclosed locations or provisional trading halls.
"So far, besides a few isolated incidents, everything has been peaceful," a police spokesman told the DPA. Further protests were planned for later in the day in downtown Frankfurt and at the airport, Germany's busiest international hub.

The demonstrations are being held about one year after some 20,000 people took part in a similar event in the city, when police detained hundreds of protesters. They also come ahead of Europe-wide protests planned for June 1.

ben.schlomo

yara wrote: »

it's you that's trying to take the whole thread off point

By talking about Occupy in a thread titled Re-Occupy. Explain? You havent answered a single thing ive asked or responded to anything ive challenged you on yet, sounds like a lot of what people said happened when they went to the camp last year.

yara

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Tell us about this system of yours? Details would be appreciated so us the people can examine it.

i never said i'd have the answers and if you're waiting for someone to spoonfeed you there in lies the problem. the occupy was never going to sort everything out either, we are here to encourage and facilitate debate and protests in city centres across the planet.

I repeat, it is you that's confused as to what occupy is all about.

antoobrien

I think we should organise a water balloon fight for 11.45am, it'd be more useful than occupy as it'd get some cleaning done.

yara

antoobrien wrote: »

I think we should organise a water balloon fight for 11.45am, it'd be more useful than occupy as it'd get some cleaning done.

11.45 you say, i look forward to it, see you all there so, I'll see if they'll add it to the event page now so we can let everyone know

yara

wow, fight occupiers tooth and nail online but would you all be as quick to email your local councillors, national politicians when they make decision that effect us alone

that is a rhetorical question because after years of this craic i know the answer

antoobrien

yara wrote: »

wow, fight occupiers tooth and nail online but would you all be as quick to email your local councillors, national politicians when they make decision that effect us alone

We'd have to disagree with the decisions or the reasons behind them, at least they are elected to those positions, not self appointed, indeed annointed, representatives of the "people."

Most of the responses here have been dismissive, the anti whatever march a few weeks ago was a farce, so try taking the hint.

yara

antoobrien wrote: »

We'd have to disagree with the decisions or the reasons behind them, at least they are elected to those positions, not self appointed, indeed annointed, representatives of the "people."

Most of the responses here have been dismissive, the anti whatever march a few weeks ago was a farce, so try taking the hint.

you are correct that most responses have been dismissive but that don't mean they're all correct and the same goes for that piece in the city tribune, he could have saved those precious column inches for a greater cause if he just bothered to ask.

how i lol'd when i read his grossly misinformed and pig ignorant editorial.

antoobrien

yara wrote: »

you are correct that most responses have been dismissive but that don't mean they're all correct and the same goes for that piece in the city tribune, he could have saved those precious column inches for a greater cause if he just bothered to ask.

how i lol'd when i read his grossly misinformed and pig ignorant editorial.

Pig ignorant describes something but it's not the factual opinion piece (very definitely not an editorial, learn the difference), but does fairly accurately describe the attitude shown by the o.p. in the showing the o.g. trait of point blank refusing to answer a question.

ben.schlomo

yara wrote: »

i never said i'd have the answers and if you're waiting for someone to spoonfeed you there in lies the problem. the occupy was never going to sort everything out either, we are here to encourage and facilitate debate and protests in city centres across the planet.

I repeat, it is you that's confused as to what occupy is all about.

Again this is why nobody supports ye, ye are a self appointed rabble of 'spokespeople for the people', you werent asked to speak for us and when the people disagree with ye ye simply deflect what they are saying and ramble on about 'spoonfeeding' or 'the problem' or some other vague words in the wind, clearly not answering direct and very easy questions. Id have far more or some respect for a group that had an actual purpose and set of goals as opposed to one which loosely affilliates to whatever the popular cause of the day is like ye do.

MadYaker

Is there a facebook page for this event? Link please?

Edit: Nevermind I found it https://www.facebook.com/events/301733013295963/

So according to that 4 people are going haha. Judging by the stuff written on it I'm guessing you are in control of that FB page yara? Can I ask were you involved with the last occupy galway mess? Do you know how it ended? This doesn't seem to have the momentum the last one had at the beginning.

Mrs OBumble

OP, i hope your protest tomorrow goes well, we alll have a right to protest.

But i also hope that you observe the laws re public space camping, and leave the area clean when you go home.

squonk

Please just occupy your respective houses tomorrow. It's lovely in the city at the moment with the beautiful weather and the square is looking very well indeed. It'd be a shame to see a dirty camp appear again in one corner for such an aimless, rambling, useless purpose.

desaparecidos

Clearly you're getting too much money on the dole if this is how you spend your time.

General General

It's difficult to see Occupy Galway as anything other than representing a small percentage of people (unless one allows Occupy to represent the views of people that Occupy say are asleep). As such, it is merely a fringe quasi-organisation & deserves no more special treatment on Eyre Square than any fringe group of people who think they have the interests of the public at heart... Scientologists, fans of Ayn Rand or Tony Robbins, hardcore xenophobic ultra-nationalists, for example.

I'm not sure if I'd oppose picketing everyday, however setting up camp is more than a bit of 'special-one'-ness.

Not this nonsense again.

Why not set up camp on mutton island. It'll be just as useful and nobody will bother you.

I am pie

If the good people of Occupy had the decency to take a sample of 1000 residents of Galway city and ask if they wanted to be reoccupied, would they respect their opinion if 99% of them said no ?

I doubt it, self appointed ideologues. When no one votes for them they turn up in your city, calling you ignorant and corporatist if you disagree.

Poor Galway.

I'll bring in some tinfoil if I'm passing the square on Sunday. If you're still there.

endacl

yara wrote: »

we are here to encourage and facilitate debate and protests in city centres across the planet.

Did that happen last time? Must've missed that...

Storm 10

Jez I missed that as well and I would not mind all the times I was in the Square

yara

endacl wrote: »

Did that happen last time? Must've missed that...

yes, you must have missed it cos it raised a serious debate that still mumbles on today. the proof is in how much the worldwide occupy movement is still discussed on a regular basis in the media and amongst people online or in the real world. good bad or indifferent it's definately being debated

death1234567

yara wrote: »

yes, you must have missed it cos it raised a serious debate that still mumbles on today. the proof is in how much the worldwide occupy movement is still discussed on a regular basis in the media and amongst people online or in the real world. good bad or indifferent it's definately being debated

Delusion: A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite conflicting evidence to the contrary.

endacl

yara wrote: »

yes, you must have missed it cos it raised a serious debate that still mumbles on today. the proof is in how much the worldwide occupy movement is still discussed on a regular basis in the media and amongst people online or in the real world. good bad or indifferent it's definately being debated

Those debates were happening long before crustypalooza. Occupy in Ireland was counterproductive, if anything. I'm broadly sympathetic to many of the arguments put forward. Many people's reaction to the protest though was 'those idiots? I disagree with whatever they're camping out about'. TBH, in Ireland, Occupy just looked like a bunch of disaffected whingers.