Dad wears nazi uniform for child custody case!

Links234

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/dad-wears-nazi-uniform-child-custody-case-102046260.html#CSDghHV

wow :eek:

what kind of clown is he? did he want to ensure he didn't get his kids back

El Guapo!

Wow!

I did nazi that coming.

Nodin

Links234 wrote: »

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/dad-wears-nazi-uniform-child-custody-case-102046260.html#CSDghHV

wow :eek:

what kind of clown is he? did he want to ensure he didn't get his kids back

The wife doing Goering is a nice touch....

I'm sure the judge thinks he's a wonderful role model.

That suit is impeccably ironed.

Dodd

Would that be the nazi that killed the Jews or the nazi that fought for their country.?

DazMarz

"Joycelynn Aryan Nation Campbell"

It'd be funny if it wasn't so fúcked up... :eek:

oppenheimer1

Links234 wrote: »

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/dad-wears-nazi-uniform-child-custody-case-102046260.html#CSDghHV

wow :eek:

what kind of clown is he? did he want to ensure he didn't get his kids back

Maybe thats exactly it. Or maybe perhaps hes some sort of extremist.

Da Shins Kelly

Funny that he identifies as a Nazi and yet he's banging on about constitutional rights. Moron.

Feel so bad for the kids though. Imagine being saddled with the name Adolf Hitler? The sh*t those kids are gonna get is going to be bad.

charlemont

People like him just puzzle me. Can't fathom how anyone could be that cracked..

Dodd

charlemont wrote: »

People like him just puzzle me. Can't fathom how anyone could be that cracked..

Well it is the media that is telling the story not the man.

He may have a story that does not read well so they print what like.

Well it's important to look your best in court, so maybe his solicitor advised him to dress like a fashionista and he simply misheard.

The King of Moo

Dodd wrote: »

Well it is the media that is telling the story not the man.

He may have a story that does not read well so they print what like.

i.e. pictures of him dressed as a Nazi at his child-custody hearing.

He's definitely telling some kind of story with that.

Capt'n Midnight

Dodd wrote: »

Would that be the nazi that killed the Jews or the nazi that fought for their country.?

C) Have you ever been or are you now involved in espionage or sabotage; or in terrorist activities; or genocide; or between 1933 and 1945 were you involved, in any way, in persecutions associated with Nazi Germany or its allies?

charlemont

The King of Moo wrote: »

i.e. pictures of him dressed as a Nazi at his child-custody hearing.

He's definitely telling some kind of story with that.

A fairly sick story.. Man I feel sorry for his kid.

Dodd

The King of Moo wrote: »

i.e. pictures of him dressed as a Nazi at his child-custody hearing.

He's definitely telling some kind of story with that.

Yes but what of story.

Now if you went in the same case dressed as member of the church it would be as bad.....

Senna

He probably did the kids a favor by wearing that, not a chance he'll get custody.

orestes

He has his rights, same as everyone else. I'm not for a second saying I agree with anything he believes in, but he has a point when he says political stance shouldn't make a difference in the case at hand and that his is only being involved because he's a Nazi, and people are supposed to be free to express their political beliefs in the UK without being persecuted for it, let alone having their kids taken off them. I can already hear people screaming "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" but this kind of thing is what decides the limits of the rights of a parent against the responsibility of the state.

Nazi uniforms are snappy as fukk though.

smellslikeshoes

The thing that strikes me about this is not the fact that he is absolutely cracked but the fact he was able to find the 1 in 7 billion wife who is equally as cracked to have his kids.

Da Shins Kelly

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Funny that he identifies as a Nazi and yet he's banging on about constitutional rights. Moron.

Feel so bad for the kids though. Imagine being saddled with the name Adolf Hitler? The sh*t those kids are gonna get is going to be bad.

Yeah he proved his mettle as a dad by making the first thing he did to his new babies was give them names that'll cause them grief all their lives.

I used to be embarrassed when my dad wore sandals :P God knows how those kids feel with photos of dad dressed as Adolf all over the papers

Weevil

Dodd wrote: »

Yes but what of story.

Now if you went in the same case dressed as member of the church it would be as bad.....

Up there with ........?

miralize

Basically, what they're saying is because of my beliefs and I'm a Nazi, that us people don't have any constitutional rights to fight for our children.

His beliefs deny rights for swathes of people all the time time. Probably for the best he went in with the suit on, now they know for certain he is not fit for parenting..

Canard

"If they're good judges and they're good people, they'll look within, not what's on the outside."

...says the Nazi. :pac:

Cody Pomeray

miralize wrote: »

His beliefs deny rights for swathes of people all the time

How? There is no Nazism anymore.

And where serious human rights abuses do exist, for example in China, it appears doubtful that lending political support to the Chinese regime would be likely to be adequate to limit or remove a man's access to his children.

Arbitrary fury is arbitrary.

orestes

miralize wrote: »

His beliefs deny rights for swathes of people all the time time. Probably for the best he went in with the suit on, now they know for certain he is not fit for parenting..

So the state should take his kids off him because of his political beliefs to ensure that they are brought up in a situation more in line with their own political stance?

Dodd

Weevil wrote: »

Up there with ........?

Yes

orestes

orestes wrote: »

So the state should take his kids off him because of his political beliefs to ensure that they are brought up in a situation more in line with their own political stance?

No, the state should take his kids off him because he's obviously off his rocker.

orestes

Candie wrote: »

No, the state should take his kids off him because he's obviously off his rocker.

Having an unpopular beliefs doesn't necessarily make someone mentally unstable.

miralize

orestes wrote: »

Having an unpopular beliefs doesn't necessarily make someone mentally unstable.

He is a ****ing Nazi.

Napper Hawkins

miralize wrote: »

His beliefs deny rights for swathes of people all the time time. Probably for the best he went in with the suit on, now they know for certain he is not fit for parenting..

Sounds like certain religions to be honest honest.

miralize

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

Sounds like certain religions to be honest.

All religions sound like that, but thats not the point of this thread is it?

orestes

orestes wrote: »

Having an unpopular beliefs doesn't necessarily make someone mentally unstable.

I think his case is a bit special though, don't you?

It's not like he believes in aliens, or God, or Chuck Norris, or any of the more understandable, but harmless, mad stuff out there. And it's only a matter of time before the fashion police arrest him for that moustache anyway.

orestes

miralize wrote: »

He is a ****ing Nazi.

Yes, but that doesn't instantly mean he's crazy. It's a political ideology, not a mental condition.

Candie wrote: »

I think his case is a bit special though, don't you?

Nope.

Napper Hawkins

miralize wrote: »

All religions sound like that, but thats not the point of this thread is it?

What is the point of this thread, exactly?

miralize

orestes wrote: »

Yes, but that doesn't instantly mean he's crazy. It's a political ideology, not a mental condition.



Nope.

I'm not saying he's crazy. I'm saying that his beliefs are incredibly damaging & offensive, and children shouldn't be exposed to it in a positive light.

miralize

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

What is the point of this thread, exactly?

It's AH, so probably nothing.

orestes

miralize wrote: »

I'm not saying he's crazy. I'm saying that his beliefs are incredibly damaging & offensive, and children shouldn't be exposed to it in a positive light.

Thinking that somebodies children should be taken off them because their political beliefs are dangerous is a pretty fascist point of view.

orestes

orestes wrote: »

Nope.

Do you think it's appropriate parenting to name your children as 'creatively' as he has done, and to show up in court dressed in a Nazi uniform with a Hitler moustache?

Do you think this might signal some shortcomings in his ability to behave in a contexually appropriate manner? Or that he has his childrens best interests at heart, instead of using the occasion as a platform to promote himself and his ideology?

Do you think this man as a father will provide his children with a decent role model and do his best to integrate them into society as upstanding citizens?

Do you think there might be a chance that he harbours hateful views on certain minorities and might poison his kids in that direction?

If I was sitting as a judge in that court, those are all questions I'd be asking myself.

miralize

orestes wrote: »

Thinking that somebodies children should be taken off them because their political beliefs are dangerous is a pretty fascist point of view.

You do know that around the world Nazism is considered illegal? Albeit not in America, but its an incredibly low minority of people that support it.

And you are aware of what they did in the 40's?

The American Nazi party denies that the holocaust happened.

keelanj69

orestes wrote: »

Thinking that somebodies children should be taken off them because their political beliefs are dangerous is a pretty fascist point of view.

I guess the guy wont mind losing his kids so.

the_syco

miralize wrote: »

His beliefs deny rights for swathes of people all the time time.

I think he's doing it so that his "rights" are denied, so he can use it in his propaganda.

orestes

Candie wrote: »

Do you think it's appropriate parenting to name your children as 'creatively' as he has done, and to show up in court dressed in a Nazi uniform with a Hitler moustache?

I honestly hope the day never comes that a persons civil rights depend on what I or anybody else consider appropriate.

Candie wrote: »

Do you think this might signal some shortcomings in his ability to behave in a contexually appropriate manner? Or that he has his childrens best interests at heart, instead of using the occasion as a platform to promote himself and his ideology?

For the first part, same as above. For the second part, it should have nothing to do with the case at hand, which is exactly the point he is making.

Candie wrote: »

Do you think this man as a father will provide his children with a decent role model and do his best to integrate them into society as upstanding citizens?

How am I supposed to know what kind of father he is? All I know is that he's a Nazi.

Candie wrote: »

Do you think there might be a chance that he harbours hateful views on certain minorities and might poison his kids in that direction?

You mean just like every other parent?

Candie wrote: »

If I was sitting as a judge in that court, those are all questions I'd be asking myself.

Judges should make rulings based on the law, not their feelings.

miralize wrote: »

You do know that around the world Nazism is considered illegal? Albeit not in America, but its an incredibly low minority of people that support it.

And you are aware of what they did in the 40's?

The American Nazi party denies that the holocaust happened.

Being a Nazi isn't illegal in the UK afaik.

orestes

orestes wrote: »

I honestly hope the day never comes that a persons civil rights depend on what I or anybody else consider appropriate.

I'm pretty concerned with the childrens rights here, and I hope the judge is. I think kids have a right to be raised without hate, something pretty intrinsic to this guys 'beliefs' and ideology. Because it is inappropriate. And I think they have a right to grow up without being used as tools for their dad self-promoting use.

For the first part, same as above. For the second part, it should have nothing to do with the case at hand, which is exactly the point he is making.

I probably don't get the point you're making here, but there are appropriate standards we expect parents to fulfil. Like feeding, caring and nurturing kids and guiding them towards being decent and functioning adults. This guy, by his actions, has shown that his take on this falls short of what we know to be best for kids.

How am I supposed to know what kind of father he is? All I know is that he's a Nazi.

You know that he has crippled his kids with names that will tarnish them. You know that he's showing up proclaiming his universally reviled ideology/belief system, thus making a statement about what he thinks is appropriate to expose his kids to. I don't know everything about him, but I'm guessing most people will think those are pretty bad moves for a father.

You mean just like every other parent?

Other parents make us guess. This guy is setting out his stall and giving us the finger. It's up to the rest of the world to tell him it's not a good idea to spread his hate to his kids, since he obviously thinks its not a problem.

Judges should make rulings based on the law, not their feelings.

Agreed. And the law will expect the judge to look at his pattern of parenting. If he does and thinks this guy can make a decent fist of raising the kids, then great. But if that happens, it won't be because the father has helped his case by turning up with a swastika tattoo and a Nazi uniform in a world where all decent thinking people find that abhorrent.

The other parent also gave the kids their names. How is she any better than him?

Cody Pomeray

miralize wrote: »

And you are aware of what they did in the 40's?

The Big Bang Theory described the foundation of our universe.
The United Nations was founded,
and the first computer was built


I can't think of anything else......

Strawberry Milkshake

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

The other parent also gave the kids their names. How is she any better than him?

She doesn't have them either. The kids were taken into care and the father is seeking visitation.

I hope he gets it, but not custody. The kids have a right to know him.

I'm assuming she's no better, but there are no pictures of her showing up at court with a swastika tattoo and wearing a Nazi uniform so it's just him under discussion.

orestes

Candie wrote: »

I'm pretty concerned with the childrens rights here, and I hope the judge is. I think kids have a right to be raised without hate, something pretty intrinsic to this guys 'beliefs' and ideology. Because it is inappropriate. And I think they have a right to grow up without being used as tools for their dad self-promoting use.

You know, that statement could be applied to a lot of parents who raise their kids according to religious principles too. Do you think that Catholics should have their kids taken off them so that they can't raise them as homophobes?

Candie wrote: »

I probably don't get the point you're making here, but there are appropriate standards we expect parents to fulfil. Like feeding, caring and nurturing kids and guiding them towards being decent and functioning adults. This guy, by his actions, has shown that his take on this falls short of what we know to be best for kids.

No, it disagrees with what you believe to be right for his kids, which is the key idea of the point I am trying to make - where is the line between the rights of a parent and the responsibility of the state?

Candie wrote: »

You know that he has crippled his kids with names that will tarnish them. You know that he's showing up proclaiming his universally reviled ideology/belief system, thus making a statement about what he thinks is appropriate to expose his kids to. I don't know everything about him, but I'm guessing most people will think those are pretty bad moves for a father.

Again, who is anybody else to decide what is right for his children? His beliefs are highly unpopular, but that doesn't mean that holding them means he forfeits his rights, which is basically one of the entire points of people having civil rights.

Candie wrote: »

Other parents make us guess. This guy is setting out his stall and giving us the finger. It's up to the rest of the world to tell him it's not a good idea to spread his hate to his kids, since he obviously thinks its not a problem.

It's up to the rest of the world to tell him how to raise his kids to stop him spreading his hate to them - you honestly don't see anything contradictory or fascist in this idea?

Candie wrote: »

Agreed. And the law will expect the judge to look at his pattern of parenting. If he does and thinks this guy can make a decent fist of raising the kids, then great. But if that happens, it won't be because the father has helped his case by turning up with a swastika tattoo and a Nazi uniform in a world where all decent thinking people find that abhorrent.

Again, civil rights are there to guarantee a persons rights regardless of what "decent thinking" people think.


I don't agree with Nazi ideology in any way btw, I find racism and bigotry of all kinds completely disgusting, but I believe in the idea that civil rights apply to everybody, not just the people that I happen to agree with.

Da Shins Kelly

It probably should be pointed out that the kids were taken from him because of allegations of abuse, supposedly, not because of his Nazi beliefs.

orestes

orestes wrote: »

I don't agree with Nazi ideology in any way btw, I find racism and bigotry of all kinds completely disgusting, but I believe in the idea that civil rights apply to everybody, not just the people that I happen to agree with.

I'm a bit tired so I'll just answer this bit

I think the rights of the children should always be put first, and that their best interests must take precedence over the rights of the parent, in all cases. For example, I think a baby boys right not to be genitally mutilated is greater than a parents right to indoctrinate their son in the faith that demand it.

Similarly, this man has every right to adhere to his ideology and belief system. However, since we can assume - and I'm using the childrens names as the basis of this assumption - that he intends to impart these to his kids, I think it's incumbent on the state to prevent them from being brainwashed with racist hate, knowing as we do that this is a very bad thing both for the kids and for society as a whole.

Few religions are as relentlessly unedifying as this mans ideology, and I'd feel the same about the ones that are. Religion would tend not to mark a child out in the same way as having Adolf picking you up from school would, or having to sign Aryan Nation on your college transcripts might. If it did, then spare the kids would be my take.

He's free to believe what he wants and no one should interfere with that unless he harms someone else and I believe being allowed raise his children in the way he wants would cause them harm.

clairefontaine

orestes wrote: »

Thinking that somebodies children should be taken off them because their political beliefs are dangerous is a pretty fascist point of view.

I agree with you for the most part. What I do find questionable is he is using his custody case to make a political point. Not exactly putting the kids first.

Irish Guitarist

Yesterday there was a thread about how someone went to court wearing only shorts. Now a man is making an effort to dress up for his court appearance and people still find something to complain about. :mad:

He sounds like a nice person too.

Asked whether dressing up as a Nazi was likely to help his case, Mr Campbell was confident it would not be held against him: "If they're good judges and they're good people, they'll look within, not what's on the outside."

He's clearly teaching his children not to judge people based on how they look.

Scruffles

it looks like he is trying his hardest to fail so he can scream discrimination and fascism,which woud be irony and hypocrisy coming from him.
wind yer swastika tattooed neck in and stop trying to be a victim when the only real victims are the children; they have grown up having his beliefs enforced on them,his choice of names-which result in bullying, and a dysfunctional family life.they need a stable family they woud be better off being fostered with a relative who can do the job.