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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    My case is quite good thanks,but its no use discussing with someone who claims its no difference in alcohol consumption in Ireland and Norway
    Now you're twisting what is said, while reiterating what you yourself have said everytime comparisons have been brought into the conversation.
    Its like comparing the pope to the president of the USA
    Now you're being childish again.
    Like i said for the 4th time,the consumption in Ireland is way higher in Ireland than in Norway.You have to look at it in the big picture
    Repeating the same point doesn't qualify this sidetrack element of the issue any further.
    Because it has been an increase in alcohol consumption in Norway,doesnt effect the total consumption of the whole country
    Your government, department of health, FHI and various other bodies would disagree with you. If you don't find the rate of increase an issue then .
    The figures from WHO
    Maybe this is good enough for you then:rolleyes:
    The figures speaks for it self
    http://www.actis.no/no/nyhetsarkiv/Nedgang+i+Europas+alkoholforbruk.b7C_wlfS5c.ips

    http://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.A1025?lang=en[/QUOTE]

    The WHO statistics are what are proving you wrong in the first place.
    Norway
    Republic of Ireland
    Alcohol consumption and abuse (two seperate yet connected issues) are increasing in Norway despite government restrictions on the drinks industry.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    JustinDee wrote: »
    Now you're twisting what is said, while reiterating what you yourself have said everytime comparisons have been brought into the conversation.


    Now you're being childish again.


    Repeating the same point doesn't qualify this sidetrack element of the issue any further.


    Your government, department of health, FHI and various other bodies would disagree with you. If you don't find the rate of increase an issue then .



    The WHO statistics are what are proving you wrong in the first place.
    Norway
    Republic of Ireland
    Alcohol consumption and abuse (two seperate yet connected issues) are increasing in Norway despite government restrictions on the drinks industry.

    That's probably why there is 850 AA groups in Ireland vs 165 in Norway.
    It's more hidden in Ireland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    JustinDee wrote: »
    Now you're twisting what is said, while reiterating what you yourself have said everytime comparisons have been brought into the conversation.


    Now you're being childish again.


    Repeating the same point doesn't qualify this sidetrack element of the issue any further.


    Your government, department of health, FHI and various other bodies would disagree with you. If you don't find the rate of increase an issue then .



    The WHO statistics are what are proving you wrong in the first place.
    Norway
    Republic of Ireland
    Alcohol consumption and abuse (two seperate yet connected issues) are increasing in Norway despite government restrictions on the drinks industry.

    Your government, department of health, FHI and various other bodies would disagree with you. If you don't find the rate of increase an issue then .

    I know what my goverment thinks of it.I also know the goverments definition of an alcoholic.
    If they use the same definition in Ireland i think both Ireland and Norway is struggling.
    A "alcoholic" in Norway is someone who drinks an average of 10 cl of alcohol every day troughout the year,or 36,5 liters a year.

    http://www.sirus.no/Hvor+mange+alkoholikere+finnes+det+i+Norge%3F.d25-SMJLSZP.ips

    But then again it looks like the Irish goverment is having their own concerns.

    http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=20342

    http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=20339


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Wait, how is Norway coming into this discussion?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Wait, how is Norway coming into this discussion?

    Ask Justindee,he has lived there apparently;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    Ireland is in recession for ... like most of its history!! War with England, civil war, generally adverse 1920s and 1930s world conditions, World War 2 and its aftermath, the various oil crises, Middle Eastern wars like the Iran-Iraq war, the 2 US-Iraq wars, etc., 9/11, foot and mouth disease, the IT bust, the building bust, corruption and Anglo Irish bank have ALL no doubt contributed and are infamous for being causes of why today's Ireland remains in a poor state.

    However, stupid legislation in as much a cause as ANY of the above for why we are the way we are. Banning alcohol companies' sponsorship of sport is a stupid, poorly thought out example of such legislation. The intention is it will stop alcohol abuse and drunk and disorderliness. It won't. What it will do though is kill off events that bring business to Ireland, create employment and improve the economy. Same if Guinness were not allowed sponsor music festivals. You would see a huge drop in the number of festivals.

    Yes, if oil was flowing up out of the ground and we had no need for this sponsorship, no one would care either way as it would not affect business and it would not affect people's drinking behaviour. But we need all the money and business we can get right now and such legislation should not even be freakin' well discussed! No wonder our politicians cannot solve our real problems when they debate issues like this.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,792 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    What it will do though is kill off events that bring business to Ireland, create employment and improve the economy. Same if Guinness were not allowed sponsor music festivals. You would see a huge drop in the number of festivals.
    Yup, just like banning tobacco sponsorship killed off Formula One.

    I miss Formula One. :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    Wait, how is Norway coming into this discussion?

    Norway = rich, has oil, no need to rely on sponsorship from alcohol companies because it has the money already!
    Ireland = poor, no substantial oil as of yet, we need all the sponsorship we can get.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Yup, just like banning tobacco sponsorship killed off Formula One.

    I miss Formula One. :(

    ALL these types of decisions are made by people who have no clue of how business works and how it contributes to the economies of the world. Less F1 as a result of the ending of tobacco sponsorship.

    Healthocracy is a very dangerous movement of recent years. To me, it is the emerging threat to democracy in many countries and it is of the same nature as the current Talibanised 'Islamism'. Healthocracy and Talibanist Theocracy share very much of the same attributes: they both would like to see alcohol banned, tobacco too, also many food types; anything enjoyable/fun is denounced by both in favour of what is not fun; the theocrats can use hellfire and capital punishment or torture (if the threat of hell does not work) to scare people while healthocrats can use words like 'cancer causing' to instill fear; both like to tell us how we should dress; both are arrogant, self righteous and force their opinion of what they think is good down your throat; both try to brainwash us with their views ALL the time.

    Absolute monarchies, so-called Christian theocracies, fascist/Nazi dictators, communist one party states, so-called Islamist theocracies, and austerity have/will come and go but I predict that the post-recession threat to the world will be the emergence of a healthocratic dictatorship which will operate exactly like the Taliban but in the name of 'health'.

    We see it creeping in in such examples as these:

    Smoking bans.
    Tea, coffee, sugar, salt and butter being bad for you.
    Alcohol limits for the week. 21 units. And the unit being at one stage 1 pint and then it becomes a half point.
    Extreme drink driving legislation.
    The requirement to list what smoking causes on fag and cigar boxes. The recent gross images on the boxes.
    The war on 'fat' and 'carbs'.
    So called 'binge drinking': it is considered by healthocratics that binge drinking is drinking 4 or 5 pints in one sitting across a 2-4 hour span. In other words, normal drinking to them is binge drinking. REAL binge drinking is drinking from 5 in the day to 1 or 2 at night or in a shorter period (with 10+ drinks consumed - depending how long the session lasted. 10 pints of Guinness across 12 hours is hardly binge drinking but 10 pints of Guinness consumed in 2 hours definitely is) or downing a bottle of wine, whiskey, etc. in a very short period of time (eg. under an hour for wine, between an hour or 2 hours for whiskey).
    Obesity: like binge drinking, notice how liberal the definition of 'obesity' has become. It has come to mean anyone who is even slightly overweight. The term has always implied someone who is grossly overweight like those people who can't get out of bed and eat all day long. But not to healthocrats!


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,792 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    o O


    Okaaay...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Norway = rich, has oil, no need to rely on sponsorship from alcohol companies because it has the money already!
    Ireland = poor, no substantial oil as of yet, we need all the sponsorship we can get.

    Wrong,Norways sponsorships has nothing to do with oil,or alcohol.
    All sports in Norway gets their money from sponorships trough Norsk tipping,and other volunteer organisations.


    https://www.norsk-tipping.no/selskapet/english


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    Wrong,Norways sponsorships has nothing to do with oil,or alcohol.
    All sports in Norway gets their money from sponorships trough Norsk tipping,and other volunteer organisations.


    https://www.norsk-tipping.no/selskapet/english

    But the economy is sound (due to its oil, gas and good management) and the money is there for the volunteer organisations. In Ireland, this would not work in the present conditions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    But the economy is sound (due to its oil, gas and good management) and the money is there for the volunteer organisations. In Ireland, this would not work in the present conditions.

    The oil money is not being touched,it's going into the oil fund.
    Norways income on taxes is what runs the economy.
    Good management,well politicians are the same everywhere:eek:
    The volunteer organisations give away what they earn.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    The oil money is not being touched,it's going into the oil fund.
    Norways income on taxes is what runs the economy.
    Good management,well politicians are the same everywhere:eek:
    The volunteer organisations give away what they earn.

    Norway is a financially well run country and it shows.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Norway is a financially well run country and it shows.

    It's just a matter og time before the finanicial crisis catches up with Norway.
    Statoil announced they will cut back on 1000 jobs within the next few years,so I'd say its Norways turn shortly.

    http://www.aftenbladet.no/energi/aenergy/1_000-jobs-could-go-at-Statoil-2994131.html#.UeSABssayK0

    http://www.aftenbladet.no/energi/aenergy/Statoil-prepares-for-job-cuts-3022327.html#.UeR_9ssayK0


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    It's just a matter og time before the finanicial crisis catches up with Norway.
    Statoil announced they will cut back on 1000 jobs within the next few years,so I'd say its Norways turn shortly.

    http://www.aftenbladet.no/energi/aenergy/1_000-jobs-could-go-at-Statoil-2994131.html#.UeSABssayK0

    http://www.aftenbladet.no/energi/aenergy/Statoil-prepares-for-job-cuts-3022327.html#.UeR_9ssayK0

    When it hopefully is over elsewhere?!?!?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    When it hopefully is over elsewhere?!?!?!

    It's not over yet elsewhere,that's one of the reasons why it's coming to Norway.


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