The property tax deadline has passed, did you pay?

Morag

So the media would have us believe that most people have paid it.
I haven't, have you?

jamesbondings

i think there was a thread yesterday that showed a link saying less than 50% of households had paid, could be wrong but ill go looking for it now

kneemos

Everybody pays,end of story.

Spurtacus

jamesbondings wrote: »

i think there was a thread yesterday that showed a link saying less than 50% of households had paid, could be wrong but ill go looking for it now

Over 1.5 million had paid last I heard out of what, 1.6 million households ???.
The refuseniks lost their fight, big scary revenue won.

The Irish Property Tax Fight 2012-2013 RIP

gazzer

Didnt pay either. I never got a letter and didnt register online so it will be interesting to see what Revenue will bill me for considering a house has not sold in my area (very rural) in the last 2 years.

Anyway I became a shareholder with this group http://www.attackthetax.com/index.html

Dont know if any good will come of it but I am in a fighting mood at the moment so will stick with it for the time being.

Valetta

Not sure how many times this has been pointed out accross various forums and threads- but once again:

Yesterday was the deadline for registration

Payment does not have to be made until 21st July 2013

seamus

Spurtacus wrote: »

Over 1.5 million had paid last I heard out of what, 1.6 million households ???.
The refuseniks lost their fight, big scary revenue won.

The Irish Property Tax Fight 2012-2013 RIP

1.54 million have registered, not paid. It's a bit of a moot distinction since registration basically guarantees that you will pay it sooner or later, but it's a distinction all the same.

Yep, I have registered. Don't have to pay till 21st July, or thereabouts.

Tim the Enchanter

There seems to be alot of confusion in the media over this. 1.5 million households filed a return, for which the deadline was last night. This does not necessarily mean they have paid. People have until the end of the year to pay it, and don't have to begin paying until the 1st of July. I will be paying a tenner a week until its paid.

jamesbondings

Spurtacus wrote: »

Over 1.5 million had paid last I heard out of what, 1.6 million households ???.
The refuseniks lost their fight, big scary revenue won.

The Irish Property Tax Fight 2012-2013 RIP

yea seems about right

http://www.moneyguideireland.com/how-many-people-have-returned-the-property-tax-forms.html

how many of those paid within the right bracket though?

December2012

Yep I paid.

Kichote

Spurtacus wrote: »

Over 1.5 million had paid last I heard out of what, 1.6 million households ???.
The refuseniks lost their fight, big scary revenue won.

The Irish Property Tax Fight 2012-2013 RIP

Really that many? So many were refusing to pay the household charge. Did they all cower to Big Phil's demands? Irish people really dont put up much of a fight

Lando Griffin

Paid it in full, they actually undervalued my house what with the converted attic, rear extension and side conservatory that no one else has on in the estate so I had to enter the correct adjusted value in line with the current difficult market conditions.
Another weight off my shoulders.

the groutch

Kichote wrote: »

Really that many? So many were refusing to pay the household charge. Did they all cower to Big Phil's demands? Irish people really dont put up much of a fight

the difference is that councils have little/no power and couldnt organise a prayer in a nunery.
the Revenue office however are very good at what they do, and people know that once they're involved there's no getting out of it.

Geuze

This poll seems to imply choice.

Taxes are not optional.

If you buy a pair of jeans, you can't choose to pay VAT.

If you own a house, you can't choose not to pay the LPT.

Geuze

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Paid it in full, they actually undervalued my house what with the converted attic, rear extension and side conservatory that no one else has on in the estate so I had to enter the correct adjusted value in line with the current difficult market conditions.
Another weight off my shoulders.

Revenue didn't value any houses.

They issued guidelines.

You submit your own valuation.

Kichote

the groutch wrote: »

the difference is that councils have little/no power and couldnt organise a prayer in a nunery.
the Revenue office however are very good at what they do, and people know that once they're involved there's no getting out of it.

Easily intimidated. They are still controlled by the muppets we mistakenly voted into power.

Kichote

Geuze wrote: »

This poll seems to imply choice.

Taxes are not optional.

If you buy a pair of jeans, you can't choose to pay VAT.

If you own a house, you can't choose not to pay the LPT.

I guess you'll be the first lining up to pay when the government imposes a recurring annual tax on pairs of jeans you already own.

Those who have paid seem to have acquired a new sense of smugness over those who havn't, where as before they were also on the refusenik side.

Sergeant

Kichote wrote: »

Easily intimidated. They are still controlled by the muppets we mistakenly voted into power.

Mistakenly voted? Jesus, I thought people went to polling stations and cast their votes. Are you telling us there was some nefarious plot going on that caused the Plain People of Ireland to vote in the largest majority in the history of the State against their will?

Spurtacus

jamesbondings wrote: »

yea seems about right

http://www.moneyguideireland.com/how-many-people-have-returned-the-property-tax-forms.html

how many of those paid within the right bracket though?

From your link

The latest figures on the Property Tax from Revenue say that 1,517,902 LPT returns had been received by the evening of May 29th. Revenue also said that about 160,000 local authority and voluntary housing properties will be filing LPT returns in bulk and are not included in this figure. So – including social housing – the total number of properties registered for LPT will be about 1.68 million.
The exact figure for the total number of liable properties is not known. A figure of around 1.9 million was mentioned by Minister Hogan and Revenue . So – based on that – there could be as many as 220,000 properties still to be registered for the Property Tax. That is a fairly respectable compliance level of just over 88%

Kichote

Sergeant wrote: »

Mistakenly voted? Jesus, I though people went to polling station and cast their votes. Are you telling us there was some nefarious plot going on that caused the Plain People of Ireland to vote in the largest majority in the history of the State against their will?

Nah they just did the opposite of what they said they would before they got elected.

But thats alright because as that goon Rabbitte says 'ah sure we all lie to get into power'

tayto lover

Sergeant wrote: »

Mistakenly voted? Jesus, I though people went to polling station and cast their votes. Are you telling us there was some nefarious plot going on that caused the Plain People of Ireland to vote in the largest majority in the history of the State against their will?

The people were LIED to. They won't forget that.
It was also an anti Fianna Fail vote for many.
No need to be so smug as it's only a temporary thing.

Sergeant

Kichote wrote: »

Nah they just did the opposite of what they said they would before they got elected.

But thats alright because as that goon Rabbitte says 'ah sure we all lie to get into power'

Politicians make pre-election promises they don't keep?

In other news: Bear shíts in wood, Pope admits to being Catholic.

The Backwards Man

Yes.

Because I agree with it.

Kichote

Sergeant wrote: »

Politicians make pre-election promises they don't keep?

In other news: Bear shíts in wood, Pope admits to being Catholic.

You don't see anything wrong with that? You are happy to be ruled by a group of people who talk cheap talk before getting elected and simply do what they feel like doing / can get away with after?

tayto lover

Sergeant wrote: »

Politicians make pre-election promises they don't keep?

In other news: Bear shíts in wood, Pope admits to being Catholic.

"We will clean up politics"
"We will end cronyism"
"Roscommon hospital will not lose it's services"
"Not another cent"
"It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home"

etc etc etc

jimgoose

I fought the good fight for a while over that blasted "Household Charge" nonsense. I wouldn't pay Big Phil the Bully-Boy a red ha'penny. Of course I got bate into it when Revenue took it over, as I knew they would eventually. I submitted the property tax return by mail (I'll pay it in used twenties when it suits me) and paid up the Household Charge, which by then had racked up to €144. But I'm not sorry. Think of it as my extra little contribution to the poor misfortunate State in its hour of need.

FamousSeamus

tayto lover wrote: »

The people were LIED to. They won't forget that.
It was also an anti Fianna Fail vote for many.
No need to be so smug as it's only a temporary thing.

So your voting FF next election? Didn't they sign the country up to introducing the household tax in the deal with the Troika?

Kichote

Kichote wrote: »

I guess you'll be the first lining up to pay when the government imposes a recurring annual tax on pairs of jeans you already own.

Those who have paid seem to have acquired a new sense of smugness over those who havn't, where as before they were also on the refusenik side.

It's not smugness, it's just a matter of fact. There is no option NOT to pay it (well, for me anyway) as I need a tax clearance certificate. I didn't want to pay more than I had to by incurring fees.

tayto lover

FamousSeamus wrote: »

So your voting FF next election? Didn't they sign the country up to introducing the household tax in the deal with the Troika?

How do you deduct that from my post? Please explain.

Cody Pomeray

Geuze wrote: »

This poll seems to imply choice.

Taxes are not optional.

They are fully optional, it's just that exerting one particular option is illegal.

I think a Local Property Tax is necessary from a political point of view, but can we have less of the scorn, Matron?

Sam Kade

There are people out there who actually believe that in the next election if ff get voted in that the lpt will be scrapped. Dream on it's here for good and you will be paying more in years to come. Remember last year it's only €2/week :rolleyes:

MadYaker

This was only going to go one way once revenue took over.

tayto lover

jimgoose wrote: »

I fought the good fight for a while over that blasted "Household Charge" nonsense. I wouldn't pay Big Phil the Bully-Boy a red ha'penny. Of course I got bate into it when Revenue took it over, as I knew they would eventually. I submitted the property tax return by mail (I'll pay it in used twenties when it suits me) and paid up the Household Charge, which by then had racked up to €144. But I'm not sorry. Think of it as my extra little contribution to the poor misfortunate State in its hour of need.

I didn't pay either yet.
I said i'd wait until there were a few crooked politicians, bankers and developers in jail.
I could be waiting some time as authority always looks after their own.

jamesbondings

Spurtacus wrote: »

From your link

i fail to see your point? i was agreeing with the previous poster on his figures

Nemeses

I have not paid any tax because I rent...

Also, is there not two versions of this tax? Which one did you pay? :eek:

Sergeant

Kichote wrote: »

You don't see anything wrong with that? You are happy to be ruled by a group of people who talk cheap talk before getting elected and simply do what they feel like doing / can get away with after?

I ain't so monumentally naive/stupid that I think politicians don't make pre-election policies they cannot keep. I also don't believe that politicians make extremely difficult decisions just for the sake of making them. I also believe there is no realistic alternative to the path being travelled at the moment. I also believe the country is well on the road to economic recovery because of the excellent, if difficult, decisions made by the current administration.

There would be no one more disappointed with Sinn Féin in Government than their own core supporters. At least they have a chance. Joe Higgins and also those far-left loola's can spout whatever gibberish they want as they'll never get a chance to actually implement them.

Shenshen

Kichote wrote: »

You don't see anything wrong with that? You are happy to be ruled by a group of people who talk cheap talk before getting elected and simply do what they feel like doing / can get away with after?

As Homer Simpson said : It takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen.

Like the property bubble bursting, the revenue-raising measures that would be introduced were obvious well in advance, well before the election.
Anyone voting for someone who claimed they won't take these actions was simply choosing to delude themselves.

Bullseye1

Geuze wrote: »

This poll seems to imply choice.

Taxes are not optional.

If you buy a pair of jeans, you can't choose to pay VAT.

If you own a house, you can't choose not to pay the LPT.

Thanks.:pac:

K-9

Morag wrote: »

So the media would have us believe that most people have paid it.
I haven't, have you?

Recent thread on it here.

Edit: Seeing as it's a poll, I'll leave it open.

awec

tayto lover wrote: »

"We will clean up politics"
"We will end cronyism"
"Roscommon hospital will not lose it's services"
"Not another cent"
"It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home"

etc etc etc

Politicians are only part of the problem here.

The other problem is the head in the sand electorate, who have deluded themselves into thinking that we can cut our huge deficit without making substantial cuts and tax increases across the board.

If there was an election tomorrow and a politician said "no more cuts" then people would vote for them on that basis. And those people would be fools.

.jacksparrow.

I did in my hoop.

Bullseye1

awec wrote: »

Politicians are only part of the problem here.

The other problem is the head in the sand electorate, who have deluded themselves into thinking that we can cut our huge deficit without making substantial cuts and tax increases across the board.

If there was an election tomorrow and a politician said "no more cuts" then people would vote for them on that basis. And those people would be fools.

If there was an election tomorrow where is the real alternative to the failed political parties we have now? Everytime someone suggests starting a new political party they are mocked on here and in the media.

Banjo String

Sergeant wrote: »

Mistakenly voted? Jesus, I thought people went to polling stations and cast their votes. Are you telling us there was some nefarious plot going on that caused the Plain People of Ireland to vote in the largest majority in the history of the State against their will?

I think the word 'mistakenly' was in the context that the people mistakenly fell for the pre-election lies.

Roll on local elections. Give us a chance to put manners on them again.

Transparency and honesty my hole.

awec

Bullseye1 wrote: »

If there was an election tomorrow where is the real alternative to the failed political parties we have now? Everytime someone suggests starting a new political party they are mocked on here and in the media.

Because people actually think that a new party is going to come in and make things all magically better.

New party or not we still have a huge deficit that has to be fixed.

Unless this new party is going to find a gold mine in the midlands then there are going to be tax increases and cuts made.

Time for people to get real. We are spending a lot more than we are taking in. It doesn't take a genius to work out that this is not good. Anyone who tells people that they can fix this issue without reducing outgoings and increasing incomings is an outright liar.

Sergeant

awec wrote: »

Because people actually think that a new party is going to come in and make things all magically better.

New party or not we still have a huge deficit that has to be fixed.

Unless this new party is going to find a gold mine in the midlands then there are going to be tax increases and cuts made.

You....you mean we can't just 'burn the bondholders'?

jimgoose

awec wrote: »

...this new party is going to find a gold mine in the midlands....

Well that, frankly, is a brilliant idea and I'm amazed that someone didn't think of it before now. I doff my cap to you, sir.

awec

jimgoose wrote: »

Well that, frankly, is a brilliant idea and I'm amazed that someone didn't think of it before now. I doff my cap to you, sir.

Elect me and I will scrap the household tax and make no more cuts. *


* Subject to the discovery of a gold mine in the midlands. Terms and conditions apply.

jimgoose

awec wrote: »

Elect me and I will scrap the household tax and make no more cuts. *


* Subject to the discovery of a gold mine in the midlands. Terms and conditions apply.

Pick-and-shovel locked and loaded. Where do I sign, bass??

Kichote

Sergeant wrote: »

I ain't so monumentally naive/stupid that I think politicians don't make pre-election policies they cannot keep. I also don't believe that politicians make extremely difficult decisions just for the sake of making them. I also believe there is no realistic alternative to the path being travelled at the moment. I also believe the country is well on the road to economic recovery because of the excellent, if difficult, decisions made by the current administration.

There would be no one more disappointed with Sinn Féin in Government than their own core supporters. At least they have a chance. Joe Higgins and also those far-left loola's can spout whatever gibberish they want as they'll never get a chance to actually implement them.

We have to wait and see if things will get better. We have been drip fed tidbits of positive news in recent times but its early days yet.

If there really is no alternative path it is only because we are too far gone, having signed up to the bailout and the previous government having taken on debt they shouldnt have. Still the current crowd could have done more to try and offload the debt to Europe instead of simply saying 'Yes Sir' to whatever the lads in Europe wanted. Which for them is an easy way out really.

If there was an election tomorrow I wouldnt know who to vote for. The big parties are just more of the same and the rest are just too outlandish altogether.

Cody Pomeray

Sergeant wrote: »

I ain't so monumentally naive/stupid that I think politicians don't make pre-election policies they cannot keep.

but that's not the point.

The implication of was you were bored of anger at a politician lying, as if a voter should just accept that fact.

It would be much, much more dangerous for a society just presume all politicians are liars and become resigned to that, permitting or becoming complacent (even more complacent, rather) on poor ethics in officeholders.

I'm presuming you fit into the complacency bracket.