Lovely Budget Mech Mod

quintron

My first mechanical mod ...and I love it!
It is tiny and it's hitting like a train and vaping great with El Toro Puros and a 1.4 Ohm coil.

Sigelei #20 (with hot spring) - 37 euro from vaperus
Smok Mini RDA Dripping Atomizer - 7.25 euro from TBS
Drip Tip - Can't remember where..
Fantastic budget mech stealth vape


Sigelei #20 mechanical mod with Smok mini RDA Dripping Atomizer and Drip Tip


Sigelei #20 mechanical mod with Smok mini RDA Dripping Atomizer and Drip Tip in hand

Thecageyone

That is cool, and neat too. What connection? standard 510?

quintron

Yep, standard 510. No eGO cone threading.

Thecageyone

Just ordered one From iVapour elixir. Might try the atty you have there too, never tried dripping and keep meaning to.

EGriff

Very nice. I'm trying to decide between that Sigelei and the DS mod myself. The kanger twist set I'm using at the moment is too long for using in public IMO.

How long is it total in 18350 mode with the atty and drip tip ?

Thecageyone

I've seen a couple of vids on youtube that show it in mini mode, you could conceal it pretty much in your hand, with just the atty sticking out - it will depend on the atty you're using.

quintron

EGriff wrote: »

Very nice. I'm trying to decide between that Sigelei and the DS mod myself. The kanger twist set I'm using at the moment is too long for using in public IMO.

How long is it total in 18350 mode with the atty and drip tip ?

Just under 12cm with the setup above. I'll post up some comparison pics a little later with a zmax telescope and a provari mini for reference.

quintron

Here you go (sorry, couldn't find a proper ruler):


sigelei 20 size etc


sigelei 20 size etc


Sigelei 20 and Provari mini size comparison


Sigelei 20 size comparison

Rattleshakes

quintron wrote: »

My first mechanical mod ...and I love it!
It is tiny and it's hitting like a train and vaping great with El Toro Puros and a 1.4 Ohm coil.

Sigelei #20 (with hot spring) - 37 euro from vaperus
Smok Mini RDA Dripping Atomizer - 7.25 euro from TBS
Drip Tip - Can't remember where..
Fantastic budget mech stealth vape


Sigelei #20 mechanical mod with Smok mini RDA Dripping Atomizer and Drip Tip


Sigelei #20 mechanical mod with Smok mini RDA Dripping Atomizer and Drip Tip in hand

Nice set-up there dude.looks sweet.

Rattleshakes

Thecageyone wrote: »

Just ordered one From iVapour elixir. Might try the atty you have there too, never tried dripping and keep meaning to.

Cagey it's a must!Best vaping experience I've had so far has been with the IGO-L.

jamie72

Rattleshakes wrote: »

Cagey it's a must!Best vaping experience I've had so far has been with the IGO-L.

And just to point out my fav thing about the IGO-L, it's dirt cheap. Delieverd for less than 15 euros.

quintron

Yep, IGO-L is great. The new smok mini though at €7.25 is even better value as an entry RBA and its slightly easier to re-coil (like Phoenix), not that it's rocket science or anything anyway... But if you're paying a fiver for a 510 or 306 atty, it's worth a look. You do have to invest in some kanthal and silica also I suppose but that's cheapest in the long run.

Mr. Chrome

quintron wrote: »

Yep, IGO-L is great. The new smok mini though at €7.25 is even better value as an entry RBA and its slightly easier to re-coil (like Phoenix), not that it's rocket science or anything anyway... But if you're paying a fiver for a 510 or 306 atty, it's worth a look. You do have to invest in some kanthal and silica also I suppose but that's cheapest in the long run.

Quiotron, do you know if the base of the smok rda is stainless steel or plated and is the mini the same width as an ego? Thinking of getting one.

was.deevey

Quiotron, do you know if the base of the smok rda is stainless steel or plated and is the mini the same width as an ego? Thinking of getting one.

The Width is almost exactly the same as an ego and it looks really good with a thread cover. However I would not recommend using any RDA with an ego as it gets extremely hot and will probably fry the battery electronics, ego batts are just not really up to the low resistance coils either.

That Smok looks like a stainless top cap with a chromed base, however I have a fully stainless steel mini RDA and Aluminium one (don't think its smok though) I'm sure the OP will enlighten us on the guts of his one

Gonna keep an eye out for that Sigelei, really tidy looking mod. Hows the switch on it ? .. is there wires inside, LED electronics etc ... or does it just push to connect to a center post.

Mr. Chrome

I hear what your saying about using low resistance on an ego, but... for the last few weeks I have been using a 1.2ohm coil in an a7 on an ego c and kanger battery. The ego is set at 3.3v and puts out 2.9v under load, which according to Mr. Ohm and his crazy laws would be 7 watts and 2.4amps.
Not very high I know but still gives a decent vape considering the size. The kanger is fixed at 3.7v and under a 1.2ohm load is putting out 3.3volts.
Thats 9watts (and only 2.75amps) of vaping pleasure!! :-) and its tiny! Dont know what the amp limit of the kanger is but it hasnt kicked in yet and I chain vape the fecker. I gets slighty warm but I think most of that heat is transferred from the a7.
What Im doing could be dangerous and I dont recommend doing it but...:-) its working for me.
You might not consider 1.2ohms low but its low enough for me. Im using 4 wraps of .25 kanthal on a doubled up 2mm silica wick.
Whats the worst that can happen, I fry a cheap ego?

Rattleshakes

The only thing that puts me off the Smok RDA is it hasn't a well like the IGO or Phoenix.I envisage leaky poos.

quintron

Mr. Chrome wrote: »

Quiotron, do you know if the base of the smok rda is stainless steel or plated and is the mini the same width as an ego? Thinking of getting one.

I'm away for a few days and don't have an eGo batt with me but I'm guessing that it would be pretty flush, diameter wise. It's quite small. It comes in black also so would look good on an eGo, potential battery draw issues notwithstanding..
Re materials, I'm not a metallurgist but I'm guessing its a chrome plated base.. It is a cheapie after all. The +/- posts "look" brassy but also probably a cheap coat of something.
I forgot to say they include a spare pre-made wick/coil setup with it also which I think is also good for someone getting into coil building. They can mess around with an additional coil before they build one. Or modify the existing one (less wraps!) They both came in at 2 Ohms on my provari.

was.deevey wrote: »

Gonna keep an eye out for that Sigelei, really tidy looking mod. Hows the switch on it ? .. is there wires inside, LED electronics etc ... or does it just push to connect to a center post.

I'm far from a mech expert, but from what I've seen its a decent clone and has a nice heft to it, and yes, it's all mech.
Mech switch etc, no wires, a la UDT-L for example.
Switch seems solid, a little spongy but no complaints. Though I have SFA to compare it to in terms of mechanicals. I'm guessing its a clone of the dingo or something? Someone correct me, I'm probably wrong!
Cheers,
Q.

Rattleshakes wrote: »

The only thing that puts me off the Smok RDA is it hasn't a well like the IGO or Phoenix.I envisage leaky poos.

Yep, it's a 5-7 drip job. No well there. But it's also pretty small and the wider surface area gives a better vape (for me anyway) than a 510 or a 306. So, I guess I see it as RBA step-up atty thats very close to a 510 price. YMMV!

Thecageyone

My Smok Mini RDA arrived this morning. That's thebestshop for ya, always faster than anyone else. So still awaiting the sigelei, but just tried the atty on my Vamo. I had to prime it a bit before getting a good vape, I guess I probably should have washed it before use? but I'm too impatient. What's a few mouthfuls of icky eh? It's vaping lovely now. At some point I'll have to try a rebuild. I got one spare ready built extra wick with it, which was nice. They also sent me 2 spare heads for my Kanger pro because I complained that one I got with the kit was a dud.

Anyway, the connection/base on the smok mini is chrome plated by looks of it, while the body is SS.

[edit] sorry, didn't see the above post, I replied from the last page

Thecageyone

quintron, do you find the smok RDA to have a very tight draw? Mine has, can't seem to get any air in there at all. The hole is teensy, and I've seen some online that have a hole on the base, mine doesn't - just a pin-hole in the side. Seen others drill out that hole a bit bigger, which I could do if I had some way to hold the thing steady enough. No bench or vice of any kind. The Kanger pro is out-vaping it by far atm.

Mr. Chrome

You can hold it if you have a vice grips, put a cloth on it and squeeze it onto a table. Hope that makes sence!

Thecageyone

Yup, got a vice-grips, and get what you mean going to try it in the morn. What size hole would you recommend? Hope I've got some skinny bits in my set.

Mr. Chrome

I did a 1.5mm hole in the rsst and it was too big for my liking but Im geting used to it. If you can, start with the smallest bit and work your way up. 1.2mm would have done on the rsst.

Thecageyone

Will see what sizes I got, cheers. I might be an airy-draw man, as I find the kanger pro great, when the heads behave! where others say it's way too airy. I also love the way it crackles ... easily amused me. Unfortunately I've already had to have some replacements sent - kudos to thebestshop for that, they sent them out right away. One was giving me a reading of 9.9ohms! and pissing liquid everywhere. Actually, it was just the one acting up but they did send 2.

quintron

Hey Cagey. Are you lining up the air hole with the coil? It does make a difference IMHO.
Also, I made a new coil to get lower ohm and less wick, more airflow etc.
For me working fine and draw just right (again, for me) .
Draw will be bad also if there is too much juice in there.
You could always recoil the existing one and take out a couple of those wicks. I'd do that before drilling out the hole. Hope that helps!

Thecageyone

It was working better earlier, so you might be right on too much juice. that's the n00b dripper in me if I get a dry/burny hit I start pumping more in.

I am going to attempt a fiddle with it tomorrow before going to drill, I'm completely new to both dripping and any kind of rebuild outside of removing a wick from a Kanger

Cheers.

Thecageyone

Sigelei arrived this morning, tis a dinky little thingy alright!



Love it

It'll be even dinkier when I get my Igo-S atty to stick on there.

rui1000

How is the hit of it?

Lucutus

Very nice... that gap needs to go!

Thecageyone

It hits pretty well, once you put in the hot spring that comes along with. The default one is crap, there's such a difference it's mad. Why they don't pre-install the hot spring??

Not much you can do about the gap, because of the build. The connection port on top is slightly raised up. Maybe someone with skills could machine it down? but, I don't really mind the gap.



For some reason, none of my carts will work on it.

Ionised

The new Sigelei mods do look pretty. I have a '19' coming hopefully this week.

I keep being tempted by the Roller or Dingo but vape budget won't stretch quite that far...yet

Thecageyone

I've been comparing this to the Vamo, say at low-ish watts/volts. Does anyone else who has the Sigelei think it's a little light on power? It feels like it hits similar to the Vamo at 4v at best. Is there something I can do to crank it?

quintron

Whats your resistance reading Cagey? As it's a mechanical mod the vape is very dependent on the coil.
I have mine at 1.2 Ohms and its hitting great. Though I am using Puros 24mg.

Thecageyone

The coil I made this morning is at 2.1 ohms, the pro-tank was a bit better on it. But still not as hard hitting as on the Vamo. I'm just not used to the slightly smoother hit from it maybe.

I got a bottle of Puros 24 in my vape mail this morning Can't wait to try it, but steeping it a day or two first. I found that to work wonders on the VP and Cigarillos.

quintron

I'd try a lower ohm coil.
2.1 Ohms (for me anyway) wouldn't work on a mech.
I'm happy at around 1.0-1.2 Ohms for the Sigelei setup.
If I was at 2.1 Ohms I'd probably put a kick in it, and then, well, it just wouldn't be as small!

StickyIcky

Agreed. 2 ohms ish is too high, has to be 1 ish. Try for 1.2 ohm that will sort you. 1.6 would be good too.

Thecageyone

N00b alert: How to ensure you get lower ohms? Is it simply a case of less wraps of wire?

StickyIcky

Chant ohm slowly for lower ohmage

That or using a combination of thicker wire and or less wraps

Thecageyone

You sure it's not "Oud"?

I'll give less wraps a go later on. I got a roll of coil, think it's 0.20? but the first build I used whatever they had in the wee packet they give you for your first go at it.

StickyIcky

Thecageyone wrote: »

You sure it's not "Oud"?

I'll give less wraps a go later on. I got a roll of coil, think it's 0.20? but the first build I used whatever they had in the wee packet they give you for your first go at it.

Yeah 0.2 wrap it three and a half times. So like looks like 4 wraps on top. Two on outside two on inside.

grindle

Less length = less ohms.

Mech mods don't have the circuitry to correct the voltage for the parts conducting, so you're limited by whatever connections are inside. Use an ohm calculator and expect the mech mod to be 0.2-1V off, depending on the connections. 0.5V is the average.

Mr. Chrome

Personally I find the .25mm kanthal from ez smoke easier to get low ohms with. 4 wraps in the a7=1.2ohms every time. For some godforsaken reason .2mm was giving me 1.6ohms with 3 wraps and 2ishohms with 4 wraps.

Ionised

I'm liking the ribbon kanthal at the moment. 3 wraps of 0.4mm on my AGA-T gives a 1.0 ohm coil and a rather pleasant, warm vape on my mech with a heap of flavour (Still enjoying Halo Belgian Cocoa as my everyday vape)

redkid

Mine is running on 1.4 and there is plenty of poke from it, wouldn't need any more, had 2.5ohm pro tank on it and yea well that wasn't so good.

Mr. Chrome

Ionised wrote: »

I'm liking the ribbon kanthal at the moment. 3 wraps of 0.4mm on my AGA-T gives a 1.0 ohm coil and a rather pleasant, warm vape on my mech with a heap of flavour (Still enjoying Halo Belgian Cocoa as my everyday vape)

Yeah, ribbon is good for low ohms but I found it a bit of a whore to work with in the a7.

Ionised

Mr. Chrome wrote: »

Yeah, ribbon is good for low ohms but I found it a bit of a whore to work with in the a7.

Tis a little fiddly on the A7 but it's a real steam machine when you get it just right. I do the 'vape dance' when I get a coil just so on my A7...in private like

quintron

Another thing Cagey, as grindle indicated above about length, is to keep it the overall coil quite close to the +/- posts, but not touching, obviously. This cuts down on the overall length of the coil (from point A to and consequently helps bring down your ohms.
Couple this with less wraps (and maybe thicker kanthal, but I don't think you have more than one gauge) you should be able to get it down to around 1.3 Ohms no problem.
Don't wrap coils too tight also as it impedes the silica from wicking effectively.
People often use a paperclip and wrap the kanthal around both silica and paperclip to avoid strangling the silica. ..but not so loose that its sliding all over the shop..
I've never used ribbon kanthal. Must get some!

Thecageyone

Thanks for the advice, and sorry for taking over the thread! But I have had success tonight! Decided to take some snaps as I went along, as much to go over when I messed up [I did first time, snapped the wire after tightening ... d'oh] as to post up.

http://imgur.com/a/yromT

If you can make it out ok, it's basically 3 wraps with a lead out on the left - kept the wick shortish so it would go tidy up into the atty cover. 1.4 ohms, yay! It's not bad considering it took me 4 goes total to get there

And to keep OT: last pic shows the finished atty on the Sigelei 20, beside yer standard clipper lighter. Shows how dinky it is



btw, it's Puros I tried in it, Mmmmm - this may well replace VP as my #1, it's similar but the taste is more potent, and I love it!

Ionised

quintron wrote: »

I've never used ribbon kanthal. Must get some!

I can throw a bit in an envelope to you if you want to give it a try

StickyIcky

Ionised I'll trade you some ribbon kanthal for some juice. the imgur pictures look good. When it dry burns the coils show glow red fairly evenly. The inside coils always glow hotter than the outside coils but this is okay. From the looks of it you have got it down pat. Good job.

Thecageyone

Yeah, I forgot to take one of the dry coils, they were glowing nicely though And the one with the vapour doesn't do it justice, it's kicking out good vapour once set up.

quintron

Ionised wrote: »

I can throw a bit in an envelope to you if you want to give it a try

That would be great Ionised! Cheers man! I'll PM you my address.
Thanks.