McQuaid nominated unanimously by Switzerland (read warning post #78)

Beasty

CyclingNews report here

I put myself forward to serve another term as UCI President on my record of developing the sport throughout the world and on combating the scourge of doping in cycling

:rolleyes:

I really don't know what more to say at this time, but I guess it just sums the guy up

Eamonnator

"Checkmate" comes to mind.

Beasty

Not quite yet - UCI rules don't allow you to be a member of 2 Federations (strictly not allowed to have licences issued by 2, but to all intents and purposes it's the same thing) - I am therefore assuming he's handed in his Honorary Life Membership of CI

Mycroft H

What a gimp.

Eamonnator

OK. "Checkmate in one"

Beasty

You're not allowed to change federations during a calendar year also;)

Lumen

This news totally calls for a Godwinning.

Eamonnator

On Velonation:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/14587/McQuaid-secures-nomination-from-Swiss-Cycling-to-run-for-re-election-as-UCI-President.aspx

pelevin

“It has become clear that my nomination in Ireland has been politicised by a small group of people."
So rather than go through the democratic process in Ireland I'll dismiss the cycling public of Ireland and their efforts to be heard as something underhand, and triumphantly snake in the back way like this."

smacl

Anyone have any contacts in Swiss cycling clubs? Sounds like they're also in urgent need of a few EGMs.

Dermot Illogical

Beasty wrote: »

You're not supposed to change federations during a calebndar year also;)

Has somebody being doing research in anticipation of such a move?

Beasty

TBH, I've been surprised he did not go this route from the outset - he always knew there would be opposition here, and I concluded the 2 Federation issue may be "real" - anyway that's one for the lawyers;)

Eamonnator

The death of Cycling has just been announced.
Memorial Service will be held In Moran's Red Cow in June.

Beasty

Well if he has screwed up and not gone through the proper process regarding "switching" federations and then comes back to CI begging for a nomination I hope the Board tell him where to go (back to Switzerland of course - they should let him in for 2014)

DirkVoodoo

News just in: Man wants to win political position in cycling without engaging in politics. Prepared to throw toys out of pram.

And I thought football was run by some unlikeable people.

All hail emperor pat and the continued expansion of cycling into the less civilised regions of the world, for the glory of the UCI.

Maybe we will get to see Kimmage thrown into the colosseum where he will have to re-enact some great cycling battle.

"Are you not entertained?"

DirkVoodoo

"Dictator in perpetuity"

pelevin

Beasty wrote: »

Well if he has screwed up and not gone through the proper process regarding "switching" federations and then comes back to CI begging for a nomination I hope the Board tell him where to go (back to Switzerland of course - they should let him in for 2014)

Even the CI's anger should be raised at this one since he's dismissed the democratic process of their EGM as something underhand & beneath him.

High Nellie

Eamonnator wrote: »

The death of Cycling has just been announced.
Memorial Service will be held In Moran's Red Cow in June.

I presume there will be no EGM now. McQuaid obviously requested CI's nomination and he will withdraw that now as he has the nomination. Therefore nothing to be decided.

joker77

irishpeloton is raising a few questions on this, around his honorary life membership to Cycling Ireland.

Who's going to enforce the rules though, if it turns out his nomination by Swiss Cycling isn't valid?

It's a joke.

Beasty

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Maybe we will get to see Kimmage thrown into the colosseum where he will have to re-enact some great cycling battle.

"Are you not entertained?"

I'll volunteer to take the pair of them on, over 5 laps at Sundrive - winner gets to nominate one of the other 2 as President ...

Eamonnator

^^^^^^^^
NO. not entertained. GUTTED.

ednwireland

disgusted - that is all

nilhg

ednwireland wrote: »

disgusted - that is all

Absolutely, what a bloody w****r.

If there's going to be legals over this (and I'd be surprised if PMcQ didn't have his Is dotted and his Ts crossed before he went down this road) where do I contribute?

dave_o_brien

Pat want the federations to get a democratic say, so ignores the democratic process underway by his federation, and runs to his other one, so that he can get nominated for a vote where there is no competition...

Sounds like this man's version of democracy was lifted from The Soprano's.

Dermot Illogical

nilhg wrote: »

Absolutely, what a bloody w****r.

If there's going to be legals over this (and I'd be surprised if PMcQ didn't have his Is dotted and his Ts crossed before he went down this road) where do I contribute?

If he doesn't then he's in a very weak position.

niceonetom

Lumen wrote: »

This news totally calls for a Godwinning.

Ah now. This is COMPLETELY different. One went around Switzerland to seek lifelong world domination. Pat's staying in Switzerland. To seek lifelong world domination. Apples and oranges, man. Uncle Pat is a good man, working tirelessly to free us.

Here's a thought:
Now that Pat has sidestepped the whole pesky democracy schtick and no longer needs our nom, do the (already weak) demands for term limits our board made just disappear? President For Life, anyone?

I'm sure as, years hence, when our children, and our children's children, are ushered tearfully past Pat's waxy, embalmed remains in his colossal mausoleum in McQuiadville (formerly Aigle), they'll look back at this near miss in the early days of the Great Globaliser's reign and be ashamed of our skulduggery and lack of loyalty. Icepicks. We all deserve icepicks.

Beasty

Dermot Illogical wrote: »

If he doesn't then he's in a very weak position.

He thought he had on 12 April;)

In terms of any legal challenge, I don't think there's any need for anyone to chip in at this stage - there are some high profile individuals out there who are already looking into this ...

Beasty

niceonetom wrote: »

Here's a thought:
Now that Pat has sidestepped the whole pesky democracy schtick and no longer needs our nom, do the (already weak) demands for term limits our board made just disappear? President For Life, anyone?

I understand that when these "conditions" were put to him he indicated he would ask, but pretty much gave the impression he would not support them personally ...

nilhg

Beasty wrote: »

He thought he had on 12 April;)

In terms of any legal challenge, I don't think there's any need for anyone to chip in at this stage - there are some high profile individuals out there who are already looking into this ...

Which is fair enough but the whole "Kimmage defence fund" concept of a popular revolt against the unfairness an abuse of position carries more weight than a few big guns squaring up to each other.

Anyway I know time is pressing on this one so whatever way works best is fine by me.

check_six

What is the Board of Cycling Irelands' view on this?

They were all set to endorse him initially, then they acquiesced to the EGM, and now?

How do they feel? Embarrassed? Jilted? Not bothered? Delighted someone else has taken the responsibility/blame?

slow

The UCI rule is that you hold the licence of the country in which you spend the most time - Dan Martin in Spain, Nico Roche in Monaco, Pat McQuaid in Switzerland. They still have IRL on their UCI codes. Honorary membership is just that - honorary. I suspect that some of the CI honorary members have no licences.

The EGM will have to go ahead as CI must follow company law.

Beasty

check_six wrote: »

What is the Board of Cycling Irelands' view on this?

They were all set to endorse him initially, then they acquiesced to the EGM, and now?

How do they feel? Embarrassed? Jilted? Not bothered? Delighted someone else has taken the responsibility/blame?

Give them chance - this has only just hit the newswire ...

Beasty

slow wrote: »

The UCI rule is that you hold the licence of the country in which you spend the most time - Dan Martin in Spain, Nico Roche in Monaco, Pat McQuaid in Switzerland. They still have IRL on their UCI codes. Honorary membership is just that - honorary. I suspect that some of the CI honorary members have no licences.

The EGM will have to go ahead as CI must follow company law.

Honorary members (indeed all members) of CI are issued with a licence each year - just costs them nothing

The Board called the EGM and can cancel it - no point in incurring further expense if he has withdrawn his request

Beasty

UCI Press Release
I am a bit curious as to why the UCI keep issuing what are in effect personal press releases from McQuaid - do UCI rules permit their resources to be used to support it's sitting President's re-election campaign? Seems odd if they do but I guess that's Pat for you ...

buffalo

Beasty wrote: »

do UCI rules permit their resources to be used to support it's sitting President's re-election campaign? Seems odd if they do but I guess that's Pat for you ...

I think that's the UCI and Pat all over, from what I learned from that podcast a couple of weeks ago.

slow

I think Beasty if you read the Memos and Arts, the Board has no power to cancel the EGM.

ashleey

If I was CI Membership Secretary I would get a secure physical validated copy of PMQs membership details and get the Swiss to do the same. Hand both to a trustworthy lawyer. You never know what database 'mistakes' could appear in the next few days.

Beasty

slow wrote: »

I think Beasty if you read the Memos and Arts, the Board has no power to cancel the EGM.

I have read them many times in recent months. There may be no express provision to say they can cancel it, but equally there is no express provision that they cannot. This is different from a club-called EGM, where the Board are bound by the request of the clubs.

Given the resolution being put to the members would appear no longer valid, I think they have little choice but to cancel

buffalo

I would've liked to have seen the result of the EGM vote, but it does seem an unnecessary and costly exercise now.

Leroy42

This was always a distinct possibility. It is really no surprise.

however, we can all be happy that we did what we could to try to make a difference. It is an embarrasment for PmQ to have to have done it like this, and while it will probably make no difference to him getting the nod, maybe, just maybe, it has made people sit up and take notice of what the board of CI are doing on our behalf in future.

We have lost this battle for sure, but we have struck a blow. Hopefully when PmQ visits Ireland with the Giro he will be treated as a foreign person rather than an Irish person, as that is exactly what he has decided he wants.

He has turned his back on CI, and should be removed from any position within the organisation (honorary membership etc).

kenmc

MOD VOICE: Threats in a serious or non serious manner are not taken lightly, the next one will result in a ban

Inquitus

It's the smart move for him to make, it probably makes the CI EGM pointless and unlikely to go ahead, gives him some minor bad PR in comparison to what he would get when the EGM decides not to nominate him. Spineless all the same, kinda pissed with the outcome myself.

RobFowl

slow wrote: »

The UCI rule is that you hold the licence of the country in which you spend the most time - Dan Martin in Spain, Nico Roche in Monaco, Pat McQuaid in Switzerland. They still have IRL on their UCI codes. Honorary membership is just that - honorary. I suspect that some of the CI honorary members have no licences.

The EGM will have to go ahead as CI must follow company law.

All CI honorary members are issued a licence each year.

REBELSAFC

Leroy42 wrote: »

We have lost this battle for sure, but we have struck a blow. Hopefully when PmQ visits Ireland with the Giro he will be treated as a foreign person rather than an Irish person, as that is exactly what he has decided he wants.

Can we send him down to Bunratty Castle and make him sit through that banquet they put on for 'foreign people' ? ?

ktz84

Inquitus wrote: »

It's the smart move for him to make, it probably makes the CI EGM pointless and unlikely to go ahead, gives him some minor bad PR in comparison to what he would get when the EGM decides not to nominate him. Spineless all the same, kinda pissed with the outcome myself.

Might not be as smart as he imagines. If CI cancel the EGM, as is likely, and the Swiss nomination is found to be invalid (less likely) then depending on timescles he may find that if he comes back cap in hand to CI that there is no time to call a new EGM and therefore he as nowhere to go. We can only hope.

mcgratheoin

Leroy42 wrote: »

We have lost this battle for sure

I disagree - I think the members of CI (disclaimer- I'm not a member and hence I have refrained on commenting so far) have very much won this battle. The battle was over the following

1. that Cycling Ireland had failed to adequately take into account the overall wishes of its membership on an issue which they were aware would be controversial
2. that the majority of members of Cycling Ireland did not support Pat McQuaid continuing as the head of the UCI

Admittedly it was due to an administrative error, but in essence these two points were very strongly won. An EGM was called, reflecting the unease amongst clubs and cyclists and ensuring that the board of Cycling Ireland would hear and take into account the views of its membership. The result of this EGM having been called and Pat gaining a Swiss nomination is that the cycling community in Ireland cannot be assumed to support Pat's campaign for re-election.

As an observer, I think that this is as good a result for cycling in Ireland as could have been hoped for following the initial nomination debacle. Cycling Ireland has shown itself to be a democratic organisation, willing to take on board the views of its membership, and the membership has been shown to have put the greater interests of cycling ahead of parochial concerns.

Captain Havoc

ktz84 wrote: »

Might not be as smart as he imagines. If CI cancel the EGM, as is likely, and the Swiss nomination is found to be invalid (less likely) then depending on timescles he may find that if he comes back cap in hand to CI that there is no time to call a new EGM and therefore he as nowhere to go. We can only hope.

Is there any chance if the EGM got cancelled he could still get nominated by CI?

ktz84

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Is there any chance if the EGM got cancelled he could still get nominated by CI?

Oh yes. As the original EGM was called by the Board they are not bound to call another if this one is cancelled and with so many up for nomination themselves this year again they might just take the view that they coudn't care less and nominate anyway.

12 sprocket

Beasty
Will you and all your mates leave the knives down for a few minutes, just relax and get your minds in an open position and read the link from cycling irelands website in regard to UCI fight against doping...
Try to at least have some balance in your views and thoughts and have a more informed approach..

http://www.cyclingireland.ie/getattachment/77e06015-14b7-4706-b333-3a6e2697598c/File-for-national-federations_130513-ENG.aspx

el tel

Do you ever get the feeling there will be a few twists and turns in this yet?

I also wonder if Pat McQuaid has legal council (i.e. outside the UCI's own legal) advising on how he has manages this affair? Or, does he have a supportive message board buried deep within the internet giving him amateur guidance :pac:

Chips Lovell

The more I look at this, the more it seems like a very high risk strategy for McQuaid. CI could well cancel the EGM, but if the Swiss nomination turns out to be invalid he could be left going back to CI very late in the day.