Bobby Sands R.I.P. 5th May 1981

Nodin

losthorizon wrote: »

I would love if most of the people posting here had to give their ages it would be most illuminating. They obviously didnt have to live through the killings of the 80s or were just babies and really had no consciousness of it.

It would be it interesting.

43.

If you can find a situation thats degenerated into armed conflict where there hasn't been killings, please share it with the rest of us.

LordSutch

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Loved by many, scorned by a few but remembered by all.

How this country could do with someone like Bobby now.

"They have nothing in their whole imperial arsenal that can break the spirit of one Irishman who doesn’t want to be broken."

Hmm, my memories of his death are the homemade black flags tied to the lamposts in some of the less salubrious estates in South Dublin.

guinnessdrinker

LordSutch wrote: »

Hmm, my memories of his death are the homemade black flags tied to the lamposts in some of the less salubrious estates in South Dublin.

You didn't see any homemade black flags in any of the "pleasant" estates of South Dublin then?

Banjo String

LordSutch wrote: »

Hmm, my memories of his death are the homemade black flags tied to the lamposts in some of the less salubrious estates in South Dublin.

You can console yourself so that some of the more lucrative parts of the world have streets and boulevards named in his honour these days.

Here's one from Frances Le Mans region for starters.



http://www.meilleursagents.com/prix-immobilier/le-mans-72000/boulevard-bobby-sands-202527893/

Chuck Stone

losthorizon wrote: »

I would love if most of the people posting here had to give their ages it would be most illuminating.

I was too young to fully understand what was going on in the 80's but I was aware that I was not growing up in a normal society. I grew up in a town largely unaffected by the troubles, overtly, but my Father, Mother, Uncles, Aunts and Cousins have plenty of first person experiences of what it was like to be a second class citizen.

LordSutch

SamHall wrote: »

You can console yourself so that some of the more lucrative parts of the world have streets and boulevards named in his honour these days.

The Iron Lady (his nemisis) has/will have at least one street named after her too. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/12/margaret-thatcher-madrid-street-name

not yet

48, and I had family who were treated like dogs in norn Ireland in the 60s 70s. I can only imagine how things would be now if the IRA did not resist British occupation.

I'll Have a guess...Catholics would still be treat like filth by the ruling classes of unionism.

Bertie Woot

When Bobby Sands died the children at my school cheered. They did the same whenever every other IRA hunger striker died, as they didn't view them as patriotic Irish freedom fighters, no. They viewed them as cold-blooded murderers who were starving themselves to death.

losthorizon

Nodin wrote: »

43.

If you can find a situation thats degenerated into armed conflict where there hasn't been killings, please share it with the rest of us.

The thing was it wasnt an armed conflict. It was random acts of killings mostly based on religion.

0066ad

Bertie Woot wrote: »

When Bobby Sands died the children at my school cheered. They did the same whenever every other IRA hunger striker died, as they didn't view them as patriotic Irish freedom fighters, no. They viewed them as cold-blooded murderers who were starving themselves to death.

Why would the children cheer? Surely they knew nothing about Irish
patriotic freedom fighters and were only trying to appease the teacher who
was teaching them these claims. They did the same with every other hunger
striker who died? Did the teacher tell them to clap and cheer "yeah another one
of them is died" or decide all this by themselves.

As for cold blooded murders who did Bobby Sands kill?

Fr Tod Umptious

SamHall wrote: »

You can console yourself so that some of the more lucrative parts of the world have streets and boulevards named in his honour these days.

Here's one from Frances Le Mans region for starters.



http://www.meilleursagents.com/prix-immobilier/le-mans-72000/boulevard-bobby-sands-202527893/

Le Mans is a inland town in western France, hardly lucrative, it's certainly not Nice or St. Tropez.

0066ad

losthorizon wrote: »

The thing was it wasnt an armed conflict. It was random acts of killings mostly based on religion.

You are right it was random acts of killings, the first 6 bombings in the
troubles were by UPV and then another by UVF. What would you do if you
were in that situation? just sit back and say ahh sure lads this is great let
them beat our sisters, brothers and parents it's nothing to do with me.

0066ad

WileyCoyote wrote: »

will be having a thread for every self serving criminal who commited suicide while in jail, or just a select few?

Self serving criminal? he paid the ultimate sacrifice for his country. Would
you do the same for your believes? I doubt it very much, but all is well and
good you have an Iraqi barber a Pakistan accounted and a lithuanian
employee multiculturalism is great just as long as you benefit



Edit I'll probably be banned again! over this comment, you will report it and
I have less posts than you.

Nodin

losthorizon wrote: »

The thing was it wasnt an armed conflict. It was random acts of killings mostly based on religion.

I'd suggest your knowledge of the conflict needs expanding, tbh.

Nodin

0066ad wrote: »

Self serving criminal? he paid the ultimate sacrifice for his country. Would
you do the same for your believes? I doubt it very much, but all is well and
good you have an Iraqi barber a Pakistan accounted and a lithuanian
employee multiculturalism is great just as long as you benefit
.

If you think the republican movement is some narrow golden dawn-like venture, you're sadly mistaken.

not yet

Bertie Woot wrote: »

When Bobby Sands died the children at my school cheered. They did the same whenever every other IRA hunger striker died, as they didn't view them as patriotic Irish freedom fighters, no. They viewed them as cold-blooded murderers who were starving themselves to death.

Ha ha very deep from school children.

.jacksparrow.

losthorizon wrote: »

The thing was it wasnt an armed conflict. It was random acts of killings mostly based on religion.

Threads on boards are really gone to the dogs nowadays. How can a proper discussion be had with comments like the above thrown in.

Banjo String

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Le Mans is a inland town in western France, hardly lucrative, it's certainly not Nice or St. Tropez.

They have a 'Rue Bobby Sands' in Paris too if you're interested?
There's also one in Florence.


Want more examples?

losthorizon

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Threads on boards are really gone to the dogs nowadays. How can a proper discussion be had with comments like the above thrown in.

Its funny though that acts like these make your blood boil

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84225336&postcount=2267
but in some peoples minds crazy acts like the the Warrington bombs or the Dublin and Monaghan bombs are legitimate.

.jacksparrow.

losthorizon wrote: »

Its funny though that acts like these make your blood boil

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84225336&postcount=2267
but in some peoples minds crazy acts like the the Warrington bombs or the Dublin and Monaghan bombs are legitimate.

How long did it take you to trawl through my posts and come back with this?

A hobby wouldn't go amiss.

losthorizon

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

How long did it take you to trawl through my posts and come back with this?

A hobby wouldn't go amiss.

Not long. But you seem to have very different perspectives on people being murdered based on their location. Taking a childs life is taking a childs life. I would just like to understand why you think one is good and one is bad that is all.

.jacksparrow.

losthorizon wrote: »

Not long. But you seem to have very different perspectives on people being murdered based on their location. Taking a childs life is taking a childs life. I would just like to understand why you think one is good and one is bad that is all.

I just thought your post was a bit nonsensical, saying that all the murders which were never right imo were sectarian.

RandomName2

0066ad wrote: »

You are right it was random acts of killings, the first 6 bombings in the
troubles were by UPV and then another by UVF. What would you do if you
were in that situation? just sit back and say ahh sure lads this is great let
them beat our sisters, brothers and parents it's nothing to do with me.

But the Republican paramilitaries didn't target the UPV or UVF. They targeted the British army, civilians and the police force. They killed far more Republican paramilitaries than they did Loyalist.

Only 2.7% of those killed by Republicans were Loyalist paramilitaries. Over 35 % of the people they killed were civilians. Real heroes.

Madam

RandomName2 wrote: »

They killed far more Republican paramilitaries than they did Loyalist..

The killed their own?

Nodin

losthorizon wrote: »

The thing was it wasnt an armed conflict. It was random acts of killings mostly based on religion.

This may be of help to you.

What is also clear from Figure A3.4 is that nationalist paramilitary violence
is primarily strategic rather than simply sectarian - especially after 1972-3.
More members of the security forces (862) are killed than Protestant civilians
(575), and since the former are overwhelmingly killed by nationalist
paramilitaries (834, and see Figure A3.8 below), it follows that nationalist
paramilitaries partially fulfill their objective of fighting 'a war of national
liberation', as opposed to a mere sectarian war.

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/bodbol.htm

RandomName2

Madam wrote: »

The killed their own?

9% of the deaths attributed to Republicans paramilitaries were of other Republican paramilitaries. Same with loyalist paramilitaries. Both targeted their own far more than each other. After all, when you target someone in your own community you can supplant them if successful. Safer too.

Madam

RandomName2 wrote: »

9% of the deaths attributed to Republicans paramilitaries were of other Republican paramilitaries. Same with loyalist paramilitaries. Both targeted their own far more than each other. After all, when you target someone in your own community you can supplant them if successful. Safer too.

I'm kind of shocked by that but what would be the overall number killed by each group. I mean 9% or what:)

RandomName2

Madam wrote: »

I'm kind of shocked by that but what would be the overall number killed by each group. I mean 9% or what:)

9 out of a hundred

Okay, Republican paramilitaries were responsible for 2,057 deaths in total: out of that only 56 were loyalist paramilitaries.

Loyalist paramilitaries killed 1019 people: 93 loyalist paramilitaries, 41 republican paramilitaries.

tdv123

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DO71o2LrjY

briany

SamHall wrote: »

They have a 'Rue Bobby Sands' in Paris too if you're interested?
There's also one in Florence.


Want more examples?

Not a street exactly, but there is/was a burger restaurant in Tehran named after Bobby which I think is near his street in the city. Frankly, some would find putting his face on the front of a fast food establishment ironic at best, but whatever.