The most racist ad in history?

old hippy

Just thinking about this thread and the comments directed towards KW.

All (if I'm not mistaken) from white men, including myself. Apart from those of us who are well read up and have a basic understanding of the history of discrimination and context, what do the rest of us really understand and why are we so quick to dismiss KW's experience?

Pug160

I have no problem discussing pertinent topics. My issue with the poster in question is the fact she clearly has an obsession with black persecution and is digging up stories left and right - some of which are really old and not relevant to the younger generation of today.

Wow, some trashy woman give a black man oral sex and he feels like he was assaulted. Well great. Discuss that with people who want sexual equality.

Nodin

Pug160 wrote: »

I have no problem discussing pertinent topics. My issue with the poster in question is the fact she clearly has an obsession with black persecution and is digging up stories left and right - some of which are really old and not relevant to the younger generation of today.

Wow, some trashy woman give a black man oral sex and he feels like he was assaulted. Well great. Discuss that with people who want sexual equality.

It's been explained to you why its relevant. You just don't want to hear it.

The Rad Runner

@OH

While you have a point that KW has more personal experience in these matters OH, it could also be said that she is too emotionally involved to look at this rationally. As I mentioned earlier in this thread I read KW before giving the guy De'Marquise Elkins, who is accused of shooting a baby in the head, the benefit of doubt BECAUSE he was black. You wouldn't stand for that were the situation reversed, nor would I.

Killer Wench

The Rad Runner wrote: »

@OH

While you have a point that KW has more personal experience in these matters OH, it could also be said that she is too emotionally involved to look at this rationally. As I mentioned earlier in this thread I read KW before giving the guy De'Marquise Elkins, who is accused of shooting a baby in the head, the benefit of doubt BECAUSE he was black. You wouldn't stand for that were the situation reversed, nor would I.

1. Innocent until proven guilty.
2. Susan Smith

Arcsin

Killer Wench wrote: »

1. Innocent until proven guilty.
2. Susan Smith

3. Crystal Gail Mangum

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

"North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper dropped all charges and declared the three players innocent. Cooper stated that the charged players – Reade Seligmann, Collin Finnerty, and David Evans – were victims of a "tragic rush to accuse"

Somehow I don't think you were rushing to give the benefit of the doubt to the three white men in this case.

Killer Wench

World Have Your Say is discussing the video of Charles Ramsey, the neighbor who saved the girls. The show is asking for Americans to weigh in on race and how White women are often treated as the crime victims of Black men, emphasis on the stereotyping of Black men.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22441124

Old Hippy, obviously I have no idea about the subject and I am obviously overly emotional on the subject; so much so that the BBC has pickef up on that excess emotion

Arcsin

Killer Wench wrote: »

World Have Your Say is discussing the video of Charles Taylor, the neighbor who saved the girls. The show is asking for Americans to weigh in on race and how White women are often treated as the crime victims of Black men, emphasis on the stereotyping of Black men.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22441124

Old Hippy, obviously I have no idea about the subject and I am obviously overly emotional on the subject; so much so that the BBC has pickef up on that excess emotion

The BBC are asking if white victims get more attention? Not if its on the BBC.

Here are two examples of where the BBC had to apologise for under reporting racially motivated murders because the victims were white:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ross_Parker

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kriss_Donald

The Rad Runner

Killer Wench wrote: »

1. Innocent until proven guilty.
2. Susan Smith

Right. Yet you choose to cite a 20 year old case in your reasoning for giving the guy the benefit of doubt. It stinks tbh. Why cite such historic cases, 20 years, right around the same time Tupac was rapping about the US not being ready to see a black president. Yet here we are. Changes. Racists are a laughing stock. Climb out of the past or become a laughing stock too.

old hippy

The Rad Runner wrote: »

Right. Yet you choose to cite a 20 year old case in your reasoning for giving the guy the benefit of doubt. It stinks tbh. Why cite such historic cases, 20 years, right around the same time Tupac was rapping about the US not being ready to see a black president. Yet here we are. Changes. Racists are a laughing stock. Climb out of the past or become a laughing stock too.

I doubt the immigrants in Sandy Row are laughing much. There's parts of Belfast where the abuse and threats against African residents has become an almost daily occurence over the years.

jimgoose

Can I just add that the original ad would have been much funnier if instead of black dudes, the rest of the line-up consisted of similar-looking 1950s City gent types with identical moustaches and bowler hats?

Killer Wench

Nodin, Old Hippy, here is another article discussing the historical context related to the backlash for this commercial:

http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2013/05/almost-dosnt-count-mountain-dew-owes-women-an-apology/

"First, we have a goat, who is clearly a conduit for cultural onomatopoeia. Spouting “gangsta” Hip-Hop catch phrases, from “you better not snitch on a playa” to ” snitches get stitches,” he is clearly intended to embody the stereotypical, hardcore, sinister, animalistic, barbaric, aggressive, Black man who forces innocent white women to clutch their pearls and move to the edge of a sidewalk wide enough to fit 20 people.

That’s the obvious racism, but there’s much more — less visible to the myopic eye, but embedded in the very fabric of this nation and the literature that we teach our children.

Tom Robinson, a Black man in Harper Lee’s To Kill A Mockingbird, was tried in the court of public opinion and faced being executed for allegedly raping a white woman.

Bigger Thomas, a Black man in Richard Wright’s Native Son, was so afraid that people would think that he raped a white woman that he accidentally murdered her instead.

In a tragic twist of irony, Emmett Till, the Chicago teen who was brutally murdered in 1955 for allegedly whistling at a white woman, and who was at the center of Lil Wayne’s own Mountain Dew controversy, is the ultimate example of why a malignant joke about a Black man — albeit one in muppet form — raping a white woman is the height of offensiveness and cultural insensitivity."

This is from one of my favorite National Public Radio shows. It's called "Tell Me More" and it is hosted by a Black woman who is a Harvard graduate. The show looks at things in the news and injects minority perspective. Anyway, every Friday, she hosts a panel of diverse men from different backgrounds to talk about the week's news. Last week, they talked about the NBA player who came out and the Mountain Dew commercial. Not sure if it will play in Ireland but you can read the transcripts, I think:

http://www.npr.org/2013/05/03/180855416/by-coming-out-has-jason-collins-changed-the-game

Here they discuss Charles Ramsey in yesterday's show:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=182861723


Finally, this is "Talk of a Nation", a radio show that allows listeners from around the country to weigh in on news stories. They had a segment about Charles Ramsey:

http://www.npr.org/2013/05/09/182622613/what-we-can-learn-from-the-viral-spotlight-on-charles-ramsey