The most racist ad in history?

Ruudi_Mentari

Maltesers.

jaffacakesyum

old hippy wrote: »

Oh but you are allowed have an opinion on it. I love the classic smokescreen tactic that people employ who always say they aren't allowed talk about such things - do little else but

It's not a tactic - I said that specifically in reply to a poster who said a couple of pages back that unless you're African American she doesn't give a sh1t what your opinion is on the ad. Which is ironically, much more racist than this ad in question.

old hippy

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

It's not a tactic - I said that specifically in reply to a poster who said a couple of pages back that unless you're African American she doesn't give a sh1t what your opinion is on the ad. Which is ironically, much more racist than this ad in question.

And the other tactic, when someone has a genuine grievance - the accusations of racism are turned back on them.

I imagine as someone like her who is living in the US and is very clued up and aware of history and the history of discrimination she knows what she's taling about.

Maybe she doesn't give a toss about what certain posters (with a record of not being bothered about racism) think?

old hippy

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Then why discuss the issue on a predominantly Irish message board.

Always the same thing with you, Wayne. Not happy with people "on the outside" commenting.

A Primal Nut

Agree I first thought it was racist as watched in isolation it seems so. However, just to put the ad into context:

http://www.antimusic.com/news/13/May/06Tyler,_the_Creator_Defends_His_Allegedly_Racist_Mountain_Dew_Ad.shtml

The third ad shows a group of black men (members of Tyler's Odd Future crew and Trash Talk) in a police line-up with the goat.

The creator of the ad used his rap group as the men in the linuep as part of the humour. No different to Bono creating an ad and putting the other members of U2 in the lineup.

Perhaps Pepsi should asked him to use mixed ethnicities, but then again the whole point of a lineup is that the people would look similar. Although then again shouldn't it just be all goats then?

Anyway I am sure nobody intended to be racist (it was made by an African American who wanted his band in the lineup) but nevertheless it does come across that way. So this is nothing more than a PR mistake. No need for the "looking for ways to be offended" brigade to get their knickers in a twist about this.

old hippy

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Agree I first thought it was racist as watched in isolation it seems so. However, just to put the ad into context:

http://www.antimusic.com/news/13/May/06Tyler,_the_Creator_Defends_His_Allegedly_Racist_Mountain_Dew_Ad.shtml

The third ad shows a group of black men (members of Tyler's Odd Future crew and Trash Talk) in a police line-up with the goat.

The creator of the ad used his rap group as the men in the linuep as part of the humour. No different to Bono creating an ad and putting the other members of U2 in the lineup.

Perhaps Pepsi should asked him to use mixed ethnicities, but then again the whole point of a lineup is that the people would look similar. Although then again shouldn't it just be all goats then?

Anyway I am sure nobody intended to be racist (it was made by an African American who wanted his band in the lineup) but nevertheless it does come across that way. So this is nothing more than a PR mistake. No need for the "looking for ways to be offended" brigade to get their knickers in a twist about this.

I don't much care for the ad. I think it's stupid. To be fair, some of the dubious comments on this thread (and so many others like it) are more worrying than the ad, itself.

dgt

Anyone here remember the tv show Love Thy Neighbour....?

A rather short example....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_gN7zlpnz8

jaffacakesyum

old hippy wrote: »

And the other tactic, when someone has a genuine grievance - the accusations of racism are turned back on them.

I imagine as someone like her who is living in the US and is very clued up and aware of history and the history of discrimination she knows what she's taling about.

Maybe she doesn't give a toss about what certain posters (with a record of not being bothered about racism) think?

No, an accusation of racism is given when somebody discounts anybodys opinion on a subject based purely on the colour of that posters skin. That's the "tactic" :rolleyes:

What would you say if I told you you couldn't have an opinion on a supposedly "homophobic" ad on tv because you're straight and I'm not? It's ridiculous.

belcampprisoner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWYaJII3a4c

old hippy

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

No, an accusation of racism is given when somebody discounts anybodys opinion on a subject based purely on the colour of that posters skin. That's the "tactic" :rolleyes:

What would you say if I told you you couldn't have an opinion on a supposedly "homophobic" ad on tv because you're straight and I'm not? It's ridiculous.

Well then, maybe she's just pissed off with the kind of wilful ignorance concerning racism, her experience as an African American and people here making ill informed comments.

I don't know, I'm sure KW will fill us in at some stage. It could have been a slip of the tongue? On an emotive subject, these things happen.

Especially when the same old posters repeatedly dismiss racism. Or practice it, in some cases.

And I'm bi, by the way.

Pug160

old hippy wrote: »

Well then, maybe she's just pissed off with the kind of wilful ignorance concerning racism, her experience as an African American and people here making ill informed comments.

I don't know, I'm sure KW will fill us in at some stage. It could have been a slip of the tongue? On an emotive subject, these things happen.

Especially when the same old posters repeatedly dismiss racism. Or practice it, in some cases.

And I'm bi, by the way.

In my opinion, people like her - regardless of whether they have good intentions or not - are counterproductive. In my view, she is cut from the same cloth as Al Sharpton. It just comes across as having a persecution complex and an unwillingness to let the past be the past. Explain to me how bringing up lynching from the 1950s is in any way productive to a discussion in 2013? I don't doubt that there are still prejudices - of course there are. But to compare today's America to the 1950s is absolutely laughable.

old hippy

Pug160 wrote: »

In my opinion, people like her - regardless of whether they have good intentions or not - are counterproductive. In my view, she is cut from the same cloth as Al Sharpton. It just comes across as having a persecution complex and an unwillingness to let the past be the past. Explain to me how bringing up lynching from the 1950s is in any way productive to a discussion in 2013? I don't doubt that there are still prejudices - of course there are. But to compare today's America to the 1950s is absolutely laughable.

"Persecution complex"? You'll be talking about chips on shoulders, next.

Lynchings continued until the 80s. Michael Donald - 1981.

The past is very recent for some of us.

Schnitzel Muncher

Not racist. Hope no goats were injured or killed in the making of the advert though.

Here comes the Lilt man...Lilt.

Now that was a great series of ads.

Schnitzel Muncher

old hippy wrote: »

"Persecution complex"? You'll be talking about chips on shoulders, next.

Lynchings continued until the 80s. Michael Donald - 1981.

The past is very recent for some of us.

Out of curiosity, can you clarify what you mean by The last line? Are you an African American?

Killer Wench

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

It's not a tactic - I said that specifically in reply to a poster who said a couple of pages back that unless you're African American she doesn't give a sh1t what your opinion is on the ad. Which is ironically, much more racist than this ad in question.

If you are going to paraphrase, at least get the concept correct.

My comment:


"Unless you are also a member of the Black American community then I dont give two ****s if you think it isnt racist."

I am Black. I was born in this community. I am descended from slaves. I have been called a ******. I have had great-uncles lynched. My father rode the segregated buses, purchased soda from the colored only Coke machines, drank from the colored only water fountains, attended the black only schools, and was called boy and treated like an animal because of his skin. I have a vested interest in how I am portrayed, how men- who look like my family members - are portrayed, and how my community is portrayed. If you do not have the same vested interest in this community then I do not give two ****s if you do not believe the ad is not racist; you won't be the one affected by the negative vibes from it.

Killer Wench

Pug160 wrote: »

In my opinion, people like her - regardless of whether they have good intentions or not - are counterproductive. In my view, she is cut from the same cloth as Al Sharpton. It just comes across as having a persecution complex and an unwillingness to let the past be the past. Explain to me how bringing up lynching from the 1950s is in any way productive to a discussion in 2013? I don't doubt that there are still prejudices - of course there are. But to compare today's America to the 1950s is absolutely laughable.

If you want to question my motives, question me directly.

Killer Wench

old hippy wrote: »

"Persecution complex"? You'll be talking about chips on shoulders, next.

Lynchings continued until the 80s. Michael Donald - 1981.

The past is very recent for some of us.

The problem with these folks, sir, is the fact that they do not understand how context changes things. Intent can be quite different than the result. The intent of the creator may have been harmless, but to people of my parent's generation (the 1950s isn't ancient history, for crying out loud), images of police line-ups and memories of Black men being killed because of perceived slights towards White women are part of their biography.

old hippy

Schnitzel Muncher wrote: »

Out of curiosity, can you clarify what you mean by The last line? Are you an African American?

No, I'm Irish with an American parent, one of my cousins in the States is mixed race. If you like, I'll dig up the family tree and post it here

By saying the past is very recent for some of us, I mean anyone who has concerns about racism - anyone like the majority of sensible people here who don't dismiss racism as some tend to.

Pug160

Killer Wench wrote: »

If you are going to paraphrase, at least get the concept correct.

My comment:


"Unless you are also a member of the Black American community then I dont give two ****s if you think it isnt racist."

I am Black. I was born in this community. I am descended from slaves. I have been called a ******. I have had great-uncles lynched. My father rode the segregated buses, purchased soda from the colored only Coke machines, drank from the colored only water fountains, attended the black only schools, and was called boy and treated like an animal because of his skin. I have a vested interest in how I am portrayed, how men- who look like my family members - are portrayed, and how my community is portrayed. If you do not have the same vested interest in this community then I do not give two ****s if you do not believe the ad is not racist; you won't be the one affected by the negative vibes from it.

I'd like you to tell me who has had a perfect life and never been abused in any way - because I'm pretty sure such a person doesn't exist, and if they do they're in a small minority. You're immersing yourself in a past you were not even part of. If you want to stew in your own self pity it is up to you, but no one is forcing it onto you.

Most of the white people who did what you've described are dead now, as are most of the victims. People cannot be held accountable for what ancestors have done.

Nodin

Pug160 wrote: »

I'd like you to tell me who has had a perfect life and never been abused in any way - because I'm pretty sure such a person doesn't exist, and if they do they're in a small minority. You're immersing yourself in a past you were not even part of. If you want to stew in your own self pity it is up to you, but no one is forcing it onto you.

Most of the white people who did what you've described are dead now, as are most of the victims. People cannot be held accountable for what ancestors have done.

...fairly sure there's nothing in that post holding anyone accountable for what their ancestors did.

Pug160

Nodin wrote: »

...fairly sure there's nothing in that post holding anyone accountable for what their ancestors did.

I was referring to her posts in general.

Nodin

Pug160 wrote: »

I was referring to her posts in general.

I don't remember reading one and thinking "hang on, shes blaming me". Would you care to link and provide a quote?

Pug160

Nodin wrote: »

I don't remember reading one and thinking "hang on, shes blaming me". Would you care to link and provide a quote?

She was clearly insinuating that non blacks cannot have a valid opinion on whether or not something is racist because we haven't suffered and she apparently has. She's been posting about incidents that happened in the 1950s as if it were happening today. In other words she's making yesterday's men out to be today's men - whether that is her intention or not. I have a book here for her, it's called Let It Go.

Nodin

Pug160 wrote: »

She was clearly insinuating that non blacks cannot have a valid opinion on whether or not something is racist because we haven't suffered and she apparently has. She's been posting about incidents that happened in the 1950s as if it were happening today. In other words she's making yesterday's men out to be today's men - whether that is her intention or not. I have a book here for her, it's called Let It Go.

...no, shes providing context.

Pug160

Nodin wrote: »

...no, shes providing context.

Historical context that has little to do with today. You can sympathise if you like - it's your right to do so. But she's doing little to help her own cause, whatever that may be. She's offended because she wants to be - it's as simple as that. Al Sharpton is the poster boy of the type black American she represents. Digging up the past is generally detrimental to any cause not related to an unsolved crime.

Creating a hierarchy of victimhood is a very dangerous philosophy to have and is of no benefit to anyone.

I'll leave it to someone else to entertain you in this thread.

Nodin

Pug160 wrote: »

Historical context that has little to do with today. .......

It's entirely appropriate when you're explaining why a particular advert is offensive to a certain section of the community.

The Rad Runner

Leaving aside it's a particularly annoying ad and compounded more so by the screaming woman, and also leaving aside the possibility that the ad was designed to create some noise by trying to offend, it raises the issue of a divide between the older and younger generations of african americans. On one hand there is a still raw pain of oppression in the older generation and on the other hand many in a generation who don't associate with it. From what I've gathered the ad was made by an african american with a young fanbase. Perhaps he's just rocking out, given a canvas, playing the criminal, (thats not a crime ) like many stars do in videos. So is it fair that the younger generation of african americans have to walk on tip toes in fear of offending the older generation and the time rich middle class half the world away?

jaffacakesyum

old hippy wrote: »

Well then, maybe she's just pissed off with the kind of wilful ignorance concerning racism, her experience as an African American and people here making ill informed comments.

I don't know, I'm sure KW will fill us in at some stage. It could have been a slip of the tongue? On an emotive subject, these things happen.

Especially when the same old posters repeatedly dismiss racism. Or practice it, in some cases.

And I'm bi, by the way.

I don't know, maybe she is pissed off, it certainly sounds like it. I'd imagine that kind of anger comes from experiences of a lot of prejudice and discrimmination. Maybe she has had lots of negative experiences with regards to race, or maybe not. Frankly, it has nothing to do with her opinion being any more valid on whether an ad is racist or not. Same way my opinion is no more valid on whether an ad is homophobic or not (or yours, as it seems we are both bisexual).

Killer Wench wrote: »

If you are going to paraphrase, at least get the concept correct.

My comment:


"Unless you are also a member of the Black American community then I dont give two ****s if you think it isnt racist."

I am Black. I was born in this community. I am descended from slaves. I have been called a ******. I have had great-uncles lynched. My father rode the segregated buses, purchased soda from the colored only Coke machines, drank from the colored only water fountains, attended the black only schools, and was called boy and treated like an animal because of his skin. I have a vested interest in how I am portrayed, how men- who look like my family members - are portrayed, and how my community is portrayed. If you do not have the same vested interest in this community then I do not give two ****s if you do not believe the ad is not racist; you won't be the one affected by the negative vibes from it.

That post pretty much just proved my point, thanks.

mayobumblebee

first time ive seen this ad and im a bit lost as to the issue.
i didnt see the ad a racist,i didnt see the ad as funny,

just thought it was a stupid ad that makes no sence at all soooo...
its just like most soft drink ads

Killer Wench

Within the last 48 hours, two separate incidents address the stigma of Black men and White women. The first involves the man who rescued the three women who were held against their will. At the end of his interview, he says (paraphrasing) - you know something is wrong when a pretty White girl runs into the arms of a Black man, something is wrong. In the second story, it involves a Black rapper who while performing, was grabbed by a White woman and then was given oral sex. The news agencies are focusing on whether this was sexualt assault or not (most do find it to be), but Kitty Pryde, his opening act, highlights the fact that it was a White woman assaulting a Black man.

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1332919