CIÉ looking for Planning permission for redevelopment of Kent station, Cork

Itssoeasy

I saw this during the week on the front of the station but its up on the city council website now with a decision due by the 16th of June.

A new entrance building 310m2 with dual entrance and vertical access to a subsurface link 100m2 connected to the southern end of stations existing under pass. The entrance building will incorporate customer information systems, public address, ticket vending,seating, commercial advertising, provision for potential future retail vending. New bi-directional road linking Railway Street/Alfred Street and Horgans Quay serving the new entrance building which will include partial demolition of existing protected perimeter stone wall to form junction with Horgans Quay. New road will incorporate traffic lights, traffic calming features, pavements, bus stops with shelders, cycle parking with shelders. Street lighting,bollards,storm water drainage and perimeter railings. Carpark with 140 spaces with 'Pay & Display' and set-down area accessed from Horgans Quay. Repairs to the rear (Horgans Quay)side of station include demolition of the existing boiler room, removal of existing metal chimneys and redundant cables. Repairs to brickwork and repointing where necessary. Repairs to the Goods Depot's eastern and northern facade include removal of vegetation, removal of single storey outbuildings, removal of loading platforms, hacking of loose plaster and making good where necessary. Kent Station and the Goods Depot are protected structures.
Development Address: Iarnrod Eireann, Kent Station, Lower Glanmire Road, Cork City

http://planning.corkcity.ie/InternetEnquiry/rpt_ViewApplicDetails.asp?validFileNum=1&app_num_file=1335599

dowlingm

offtopic since no drawings posted yet but can someone explain to me why Irish planning authorities use Djvu rather than PDF? Very annoying having to install this crap to look at application drawings.

corktina

hardly redevelopment surely....

Jamie2k9

dowlingm wrote: »

offtopic since no drawings posted yet but can someone explain to me why Irish planning authorities use Djvu rather than PDF? Very annoying having to install this crap to look at application drawings.

It's Ireland always catching up on the rest of the world..

roundymac

dowlingm wrote: »

offtopic since no drawings posted yet but can someone explain to me why Irish planning authorities use Djvu rather than PDF? Very annoying having to install this crap to look at application drawings.

It's a Baldric type cunning plan to prevent you from reading the drawings so as to prevent you from objecting.:P

gobnaitolunacy

I see the old railings have been taken down around the subway. Hope they'll put them back rather than installing awful modern tubular steel crap.

Judgement Day

I suppose it would be out of the question to **** the comfy office for staff "Travel Centre" out of its present location and reinstate the Glanmire Buffet?

gobnaitolunacy

Judgement Day wrote: »

I suppose it would be out of the question to **** the comfy office for staff "Travel Centre" out of its present location and reinstate the Glanmire Buffet?

Was that even paying its way when it was open as a buffet/bar?

Itssoeasy

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

I see the old railings have been taken down around the subway. Hope they'll put them back rather than installing awful modern tubular steel crap.

On one side only though. Looking at old photos its nice that the station had retrained those railings.

gobnaitolunacy

They're stacked neatly in the yard last time I looked, maybe they're only shoring up the subway with concrete and putting them back.

Judgement Day

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Was that even paying its way when it was open as a buffet/bar?

I don't know but it was certainly very popular and should have been put to tender if CIE couldn't operate it. The 'travel centre' is a useless waste of space but no more than the people of Cork deserve if they don't kick-up.

foggy_lad

Are they going to sort out the collapsing platforms while they tart the place up unnecessarily?

davidlacey

they will probably further simplify the yard seeing as they have no need for that now....

dowlingm

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Was that even paying its way when it was open as a buffet/bar?

Definitely once a year (Good Friday!)

Itssoeasy

foggy_lad wrote: »

Are they going to sort out the collapsing platforms while they tart the place up unnecessarily?

What platforms are collapsing ?

bitburger

whats this subway you speak of?

gobnaitolunacy

bitburger wrote: »

whats this subway you speak of?

http://images.ratemyarea.com.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/0058/1141/DSC03591-1_large.jpg?picture=581141

bitburger

had somting completley different in mind:pac: didnt even know there was one and im 5 minutes walk from there :eek:

corktina

he's spoofing you...afaik the subway is from the down platform to the up platform

foggy_lad

Itssoeasy wrote: »

What platforms are collapsing ?

Back in March 2011 there was a partial collapse of two platforms in Kent station. Some emergency remedial work was carried out at the time.

Itssoeasy

foggy_lad wrote: »

Back in March 2011 there was a partial collapse of two platforms in Kent station. Some emergency remedial work was carried out at the time.

The main through platforms ? Or is it the bay ones ?

foggy_lad

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The main through platforms ? Or is it the bay ones ?

The main platforms afaik, passengers were changed onto shorter trains at mallow and brought in to the shorter platform while work was carried out to repair one platform asap so that the mk4s could be catered for.

When i saw this thread title i just assumed it would include any further work on platforms that is required.

deRanged

this might clarify things a bit


20130430_155548 by Brian Clayton, on Flickr


20130430_155522 by Brian Clayton, on Flickr

the railing are all outside - I don't know if they are refurbing or replacing them.

20130430_155404 by Brian Clayton, on Flickr


they're also working on the bridge by the tunnel.

20130430_155342 by Brian Clayton, on Flickr

Grandeeod

Judgement Day wrote: »

I don't know but it was certainly very popular and should have been put to tender if CIE couldn't operate it. The 'travel centre' is a useless waste of space but no more than the people of Cork deserve if they don't kick-up.

Great spot! A few pints, bit of nosebag and away you went. Cracking pints of Fosters when first introduced in the early 90s. Airports are like entertainment centres, but Irish rail terminal stations are like vending machines with staff!

dowlingm

That's the sort of work (fixing the platforms) that should be happening the same time as the Monard Viaduct work.

gobnaitolunacy

bitburger wrote: »

had somting completley different in mind:pac: didnt even know there was one and im 5 minutes walk from there :eek:

Couldn't resist. :pac:

It had double ramps originally, the one running close by the old platform cabin and the one on opp side nearest the tunnel were blocked up....but if you look in the chink through the steel door at the bottom of the subway ramp that's there presently you can catch a glimpse of the ceramic wall tiles on a blocked off stub, now used as storage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Railway_station_in_Cork_NLI.jpg

deRanged

new railings going up in Kent.


Untitled by Brian Clayton, on Flickr


Untitled by Brian Clayton, on Flickr

Itssoeasy

deRanged wrote: »

new railings going up in Kent.


Untitled by Brian Clayton, on Flickr


Untitled by Brian Clayton, on Flickr

Any idea what they are for ? They have a barrier all along the platform already.

deRanged

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Any idea what they are for ? They have a barrier all along the platform already.

I'm wondering if they're making a queue system like they have in Heuston. Or maybe they're just replacing the old barrier.

Itssoeasy

deRanged wrote: »

I'm wondering if they're making a queue system like they have in Heuston. Or maybe they're just replacing the old barrier.

Ah ya that's a good shout about a queue system.id hate to see the old barrier go but the gates aren't locked in that barrier so maybe it's making it harder to get to the platform edge. Did you see that whiteboard that says "it's ___ number of days since our last accident." In the station. On the 22nd of April it said 22 days. That's weird to me and also id have thought it should be longer than that.

roundymac

Images for the new design on todays Irish Examiner, I can't find a link to post though.

Itssoeasy

roundymac wrote: »

Images for the new design on todays Irish Examiner, I can't find a link to post though.

Good ? Bad ?

Victor

dowlingm wrote: »

offtopic since no drawings posted yet but can someone explain to me why Irish planning authorities use Djvu rather than PDF? Very annoying having to install this crap to look at application drawings.

I suspect a misguided attempt to protect the copyright of the document creators.

dowlingm

A planning document should be in the public domain. In Toronto planning documents are PDFs - for example this.

deRanged

they're taking down the railings inside the station now.

20130508_073824 by Brian Clayton, on Flickr

it seems to be going well.

20130507_160307 by Brian Clayton, on Flickr


20130507_160155 by Brian Clayton, on Flickr

Itssoeasy

Stopped for a second this morning as I wasn't in work till eleven and it looked like the closure for a week was the cue for IR to do the station equivalent of heavy maintenance on a loco.

There was an red buffer stop on the avoiding line that goes around the back of the station building itself and the bridge and tunnel were given the once over it looks like. I suppose when was the last time the mallow cork line was closed for a week ? And I wonder have they taken to opportunity to take up track from malla to cork ?

Victor

Itssoeasy wrote: »

There was an red buffer stop on the avoiding line that goes around the back of the station building itself

Any work on the avoiding line?

and the bridge and tunnel were given the once over it looks like.

That's been going on for a few weeks.

And I wonder have they taken to opportunity to take up track from malla to cork ?

It seems Rathpeason is / was disconnected.

Victor

The application appears to be on-line now.

Go to http://planning.corkcity.ie/InternetEnquiry/rpt_ViewApplicDetails.asp?validFileNum=1&app_num_file=1335599 and click on 'view related documents'

You will need to install a DJVU viewer, which I suspect only works with Internet Explorer.

Hungerford

Interesting and very typically IE. Ripping up railway tracks in favour of car parking.

Itssoeasy

Victor wrote: »

Any work on the avoiding line ?

Not that I could see but there was a cherry picker type thing up against the buffer stop
Between the buffer stop and the tunnel if you get me.

That's been going on for a few weeks.

It seems Rathpeason is / was disconnected.

wasn't rathpeacon disconnected before now ? Sure north esk looked 99.% intact just that small bit to connect to the main line.

Itssoeasy

Went down to the station today looked at the new barriers and the first thing you notice is how high the old barriers were and how much they blocked a persons view. The subway is now inside the new railings. The bridge is still a bit away from being finished, which allowed me to get a unique picture I think it's. unique anyway.

www.flickr.com/photos/37351096@N02/8729603586

Itssoeasy

@IrishRail: Bridge works btwn Cork &.Mallow completed early, line reopening, 19.00 & 21.00 Dub-Cork &19.15 Tralee-Cork trains will run through to Cork

deRanged

they've brought the new fancy railings all the way down now, but moved the line of the railings out a good bit.


Kent Station works by Brian Clayton, on Flickr


works on the bridge outside:

Working on the bridge by Kent station by Brian Clayton, on Flickr


works on the bridge by Kent station by Brian Clayton, on Flickr

Itssoeasy

Are the new railings with them being so low not going to easier to get over ?

Victor

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Are the new railings with them being so low not going to easier to get over ?

With the new layout, platform 4 might no longer be considered to be on the 'paid' side.

deRanged

they're making some changes to the layout of the queues and gates, e.g. there's a barrier now as you head to platforms 4/5 or the travel office.
It's between the automatic doors. I'll get a shot when I can find it clear of people and IR staff

all the spots for gates have these underneath - which I presume allows for data/power cables, for automatic gates maybe?

taking down the old railings inside the station by Brian Clayton, on Flickr

This morning I saw they've started to lay the same sort of thing from the booking office across to the gates of Platforms 1 and 2. photos to come on that too.

gobnaitolunacy

deRanged wrote: »

I'm wondering if they're making a queue system like they have in Heuston.

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/395572_10151852280503835_1932081641_n.jpg

foggy_lad

Sounds like "automatic exit barriers will soon be in place at all exits from the station, please have your ticket ready when exiting the station".

gobnaitolunacy

And RPU armed with cattle prods!

davidlacey

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/395572_10151852280503835_1932081641_n.jpg

That is the funniest thing i have seen all day...

Itssoeasy

foggy_lad wrote: »

Sounds like "automatic exit barriers will soon be in place at all exits from the station, please have your ticket ready when exiting the station".

So what you won't be able to walk into the station and stuff without a ticket ?