Hurling refs McAllister and Wadding axed from inter-county panel

dastardly00

Two of hurling's most high-profile referees, Cathal McAllister and Michael Wadding have been cut from the inter-county panel for this year's championship.

From the Irish Indo:

The National Referees Committee seem intent on ensuring that officials apply the full rigours of the rules. The reduction in the number of elite referees is designed to ensure that those selected take charge of more games to ensure greater match fitness.
The committee members were disappointed with the performance from hurling referees in general last year, with chairman Pat McEnaney claiming that up to eight red-card offences were missed in the 2012 championship.

I think this is a good move from The National Referees Committee. I think it was clear to everyone that Michael Wadding was not fit enough to ref top inter-county games. Other than his fitness, he's not a bad ref. Hopefully this will give him a push to get back into shape.
Cutting McAllister from the panel seems to be as a result of what Pat McEnaney said about referees missing red-card offences. The article in the Indo highlights the challenge by Tipp's Padraic Maher on KK's Michael Rice in the 2012 semi-final as an example.

BQQ

dastardly00 wrote: »

Two of hurling's most high-profile referees, Cathal McAllister and Michael Wadding have been cut from the inter-county panel for this year's championship.

From the Irish Indo:
I think this is a good move from The National Referees Committee. I think it was clear to everyone that Michael Wadding was not fit enough to ref top inter-county games. Other than his fitness, he's not a bad ref. Hopefully this will give him a push to get back into shape.
Cutting McAllister from the panel seems to be as a result of what Pat McEnaney said about referees missing red-card offences. The article in the Indo highlights the challenge by Tipp's Padraic Maher on KK's Michael Rice in the 2012 semi-final as an example.

I'd say all 8 of the missed red cards could have come from that match.
Disgrace what Tipp were let away with that day. :mad:

Glad to see McAllister won't be putting more lads careers in danger.

silverbirch66

BQQ wrote: »

I'd say all 8 of the missed red cards could have come from that match.
Disgrace what Tipp were let away with that day. :mad:

Glad to see McAllister won't be putting more lads careers in danger.

How he missed the the incidents with Rice and then TJ Reid is beyond me.Very poor performance.

Don't refs have to complete some type of fitness exam at the start of the season before they get on the panel? I know league of Ireland Refs have a fairly serious one at the start of the season and if they fail then goodluck.

Grats

BQQ wrote: »

I'd say all 8 of the missed red cards could have come from that match.
Disgrace what Tipp were let away with that day. :mad:

Glad to see McAllister won't be putting more lads careers in danger.

is

Absolutely. At last justice is done - whatever it may mean to Michael Rice. Wadding continued to cock up this year when he gave Tommy Walsh a second yellow in the wrong in the KK v Tipp League game.

The famous CCCC ought to be ashamed of themselves too. Why the hell did they not call in these two refs after their deplorable displays? Getting rid of them now is an admission of their mistake, or rather negligence.

deise man

Should have gotten rid of diarmuid kirwan as well

dastardly00

deise man wrote: »

Should have gotten rid of diarmuid kirwan as well

Why?

Speak Now

No surprise with Wadding, he only got the one league game this year.

ballbag05

Glad to see Macallister gone, no sense of common sense to his reffing, have seen him do some woeful performances over the years in Cork county games, good to see Mceneany wielding the axe

amber69

Wadding wasn't the worst but his level of fitness was a disgrace. Think he done the 2010 final and was fair enough but the clowns he brought with him to umpire for games. . Enough said.

Xenophile

deise man wrote: »

Should have gotten rid of diarmuid kirwan as well

Please show a bit of respect, this is an amateur game, of course they get paid expenses, all refs go out to do the best job they can and they should have our gratitude.

The term "gotten rid of " is completely uncalled for.

Supporters have a role to play and most supporters are fair but I would encourage a lot less tolerance for " for fcuks sake ref " from the sideline and the stands.

rebel girl 15

silverbirch66 wrote: »

How he missed the the incidents with Rice and then TJ Reid is beyond me.Very poor performance.

Don't refs have to complete some type of fitness exam at the start of the season before they get on the panel? I know league of Ireland Refs have a fairly serious one at the start of the season and if they fail then goodluck.

Yeah, they do a fairly severe test alright, fitness test then a rules test as well.

The problem for referees is making the game open v applying the rules to the letter of the law. If a referee was applying the rules to the letter of the law, then guaranteed you will have supporters and managers baying for the referees blood and complaining about the game being poor as a spectacle, with absolutely no focus on the players who commit the fouls!

Without doubt, referees will miss things - umpires and linesmen need to have more power and use it better. I'm not sure of the courses umpires do, but my suggestion would be for those to do a modified referees course, with the rules exam, so that the umpires can be given the power to communicate with the referee.

I do agree about having the panel smaller - the more games the referees get the better. Its the easiest way to learn, being put into the situation. At the end of the day, a referee does not go out to have a bad game, it can just happen. Leaving one or two things go early can make the game very difficult for the referee for the rest of the game

Smith614

How did John Sexton stay on the panel? He is some man to ruin a hurling game. Too interested in being noticed. Mcallister is a ref who lets things go but maybe too much at times.

deise man

deise man wrote: »

Should have gotten rid of diarmuid kirwan as well

and Brian Gavin who didnt even know a deliberate swipe if it hit him in the face....which it did

silverbirch66

Deleted User wrote: »

and Brian Gavin who didnt even know a deliberate swipe if it hit him in the face....which it did

"tommy did it brian,it was tommy...he did it brian"

"Will you ever f**k off Eoin"

silverbirch66

silverbirch66 wrote: »

"tommy did it brian,it was tommy...he did it brian"

"Will you ever f**k off Eoin"

The difference is no one actually heard Eoin Kelly's words, it was mere speculation not that he was wrong though if he did say it. We all seen Tommy 'do it' though. Did Tommy get a red? nope!

Talk about sidetracking anyhow. Dope of a ref sees a man straight in front of him swing a hurley and is more upset at the thought of someone reporting his buddy.

silverbirch66

Deleted User wrote: »

The difference is no one actually heard Eoin Kelly's words, it was mere speculation not that he was wrong though if he did say it. We all seen Tommy 'do it' though. Did Tommy get a red? nope!

Talk about sidetracking anyhow. Dope of a ref sees a man straight in front of him swing a hurley and is more upset at the thought of someone reporting his buddy.

In all fairness a Tipp supporter coming on here taking the high moral ground about "swinging hurleys" is a bit rich considering your own counties pedigree.And im not just talking about the last 4 years either.

Brian Gavin had no issue with it and saw it for what it was-an accident.So why should you?
Is it an attempt to deflect attention away from the 2 lads antics in the semi last year,I wonder?
One lad thinking he was a F**king ninja and the other one running around like he was after taking a feed of magic mushrooms.

The Tommy thing is getting boring now, lad.Take a look closer to home before you start judging others:D

Mountainlad

What's funny to me here is the tactic being used by people to defend their own by having a cut at players from other Counties. It seems some are unable to call a spade a spade, but are up in arms when one of their own is hurt. Incredible.

With regards to the referees, thought Wadding was pretty good most times a saw him. Don't really understand the level of fitness issue people seem to be raising, did they think his performance deteriorated at the end of games? I'd say a lot of them could do with being a bit fitter, though I heard the fitness test was actually tough enough. You can never be too fit to be a ref though, especially given the effort the players put in.

Cathal McAllister did himself no favours last August. I think Pauric Maher's swing that broke Rice's hand was a yellow card offence, it was reckless. Think the outcome was just a bit unfortunate though, don't see that there was intent. But he should have been yellowed, and then he would have gotten another yellow for other fouls commited and that would have avoided the incident on TJ Reid which was very bad in fairness and how he only got a yellow.

Anthony Stapleton has also been dropped apparently. Wouldn't encourage a free for all on refs but I have to say myself and a lot of Waterford fans were very disappointed with the way he handled the Waterford v Galway league game this year.

premierstone

silverbirch66 wrote: »

In all fairness a Tipp supporter coming on here taking the high moral ground about "swinging hurleys" is a bit rich considering your own counties pedigree.And im not just talking about the last 4 years either.

You would have to laugh at the Kilkenny crowd, they spent the past ten years butchering anything that moved and we had Nicky Brennan and Noel Skehan both regurarly stating that the reason Tipp couldnt beat KK was that Tipp were ''soft'' then Tipp steped up to the plate, denied KK the 5 in a row and now suddenly Tipp are dirty and KK are been victimised, you couldn't make this **** up!

Thinkstoomuch

amber69 wrote: »

Wadding wasn't the worst but his level of fitness was a disgrace. Think he done the 2010 final and was fair enough but the clowns he brought with him to umpire for games. . Enough said.

When he was bad he was woeful though.
2011 Munster U21 game in Thurles when Cork played Tipp he gave Tippereary every free possible,the worst i have seen .Cork were rubgy tackled at times and got nothing at all.
Cork still won the game but it was a terrible refereeing perferomance.It was so bad at half time Ger Fitzgerald even had a word with him.Talking to Tipp lads beside me they were even amazed at he's decisions.Cork only got about 4 frees awarded to them in the whole game.
Glad to see him dropped,he is not up to intercounty level.

Martin567

premierstone wrote: »

You would have to laugh at the Kilkenny crowd, they spent the past ten years butchering anything that moved and we had Nicky Brennan and Noel Skehan both regurarly stating that the reason Tipp couldnt beat KK was that Tipp were ''soft'' then Tipp steped up to the plate, denied KK the 5 in a row and now suddenly Tipp are dirty and KK are been victimised, you couldn't make this **** up!

Kilkenny had two players ruled out of hurling for 7-8 months in late 2012 as a result of illegal pulls that went completely unpenalised by the referees. Can you name even one opposition player forced to leave the field against Kilkenny, let alone suffer a long-term injury, as a result of this ten years of "butchering"?

It's a simple question so please don't dodge it. Last year's semi-final made clear to anyone interested the difference between physical hurling and pure dirt. Only one side was remotely interested in hurling on that day.

premierstone

Martin567 wrote: »

Kilkenny had two players ruled out of hurling for 7-8 months in late 2012 as a result of illegal pulls that went completely unpenalised by the referees. Can you name even one opposition player forced to leave the field against Kilkenny, let alone suffer a long-term injury, as a result of this ten years of "butchering"?

It's a simple question so please don't dodge it. Last year's semi-final made clear to anyone interested the difference between physical hurling and pure dirt. Only one side was remotely interested in hurling on that day.

Are you suggesting that Paraic Maher intentionally injured Michael Rice, looked like a freak accident to me?

toxicity234

Smith614 wrote: »

How did John Sexton stay on the panel? He is some man to ruin a hurling game. Too interested in being noticed. Mcallister is a ref who lets things go but maybe too much at times.

I won't miss Wadding but in fairness to the man his mistake have being just that, mistakes. but how Sexton gets games beggar belief.
Sexton shouldn't be allowed with 16 miles of a hurling match. I have never seen him do a good job on a game. He loves Booking players in the frist 20 mins for nothing. just to assert his a authority. and them send off someone for no reason but its different if your from Kilkenny or Tipperary he let them away with murder and it fine.

i hate going to games where he the ref.
John Sexton always remindes me of Eric Cartman.
I can see him now screaming "RESPECT MY AUTHORITY"

Rant over........

silverbirch66

Martin567 wrote: »

Kilkenny had two players ruled out of hurling for 7-8 months in late 2012 as a result of illegal pulls that went completely unpenalised by the referees. Can you name even one opposition player forced to leave the field against Kilkenny, let alone suffer a long-term injury, as a result of this ten years of "butchering"?

It's a simple question so please don't dodge it. Last year's semi-final made clear to anyone interested the difference between physical hurling and pure dirt. Only one side was remotely interested in hurling on that day.

I'd be intrested in hearing the answer to that question as well,because from memory,I cant think of anyone getting "butchered" by a KK player.

I can, however remember the 2 incidents above and the stroke on Tommy in the 09 final.3 lovely examples of "stepping up to the plate" "and matching KK".Im all for hard hurling but when you read gobdaws banging on about "filth" from KK and "dark Arts" etc,you really have to laugh.

Im sure the Refs are after getting their cards marked and will be keeping a close eye on the timber merchants this season.Hopefully there wont be anymore unpunished strokes on KK lads going forward.

Pudders

premierstone wrote: »

Are you suggesting that Paraic Maher intentionally injured Michael Rice, looked like a freak accident to me?

A terrible stroke that even if he didn't intend to injure, would have known the potential to injure.

Worse from Maher was not to apologise.

http://www.thescore.ie/michael-rice-there-were-seven-pieces-of-bone-that-were-big-enough-for-screws-to-go-into-603850-Sep2012/

toxicity234

silverbirch66 wrote: »

Im sure the Refs are after getting their cards marked and will be keeping a close eye on the timber merchants this season.Hopefully there wont be anymore unpunished strokes on KK lads going forward.

The other side of this is that we could see a season where Ref end up booking players and given free for every little thing. Hurling isn't a dirty game. Its hard and its fast. I while i hope that Dirty and Mean strokes are punished. I don't want to see 60 frees in a match or 14 or 15 booking for small fouls.

The other thing that need to be sorted out this year by ref is diving. Its something that has come into in the last 4 or 6 years.

One other thing here is that i don't think there are any dirty teams in hurling. Tipp, Killkenny and Galway are all physical and sometimes step over the line, As do all teams in the country.
the problem is that if you play for these county there is a lot more of letting the game flow than any other county will get. So the other county get pull up for small things and booking follow. and then booking lead to red cards.
There a big difference between how the Ref manages games with the Big county and everyone else.

premierstone

silverbirch66 wrote: »

I'd be intrested in hearing the answer to that question as well,because from memory,I cant think of anyone getting "butchered" by a KK player.

I can, however remember the 2 incidents above and the stroke on Tommy in the 09 final.3 lovely examples of "stepping up to the plate" "and matching KK".Im all for hard hurling but when you read gobdaws banging on about "filth" from KK and "dark Arts" etc,you really have to laugh.

Im sure the Refs are after getting their cards marked and will be keeping a close eye on the timber merchants this season.Hopefully there wont be anymore unpunished strokes on KK lads going forward.

You have serious memory issues so silver, John Dalton, Richie Hogan and Richie Power have all been suspended in the past two years all for striking and KK's filth in the 2001 League Final against Dublin was shamefull.

The stroke on Tommy Walsh by Benny Dunne was a disgrace and no one from Tipp ever claimed otherwise, we dont do cover ups. As I said above IMO Paraic Maher on Michael Rice was an unfortunate accident. As for a Galway man breaking TJ Reids kneecap, Im unsure how you are blaming Tipp for this??

silverbirch66

premierstone wrote: »

You have serious memory issues so silver, John Dalton, Richie Hogan and Richie Power have all been suspended in the past two years all for striking and KK's filth in the 2001 League Final against Dublin was shamefull.

The stroke on Tommy Walsh by Benny Dunne was a disgrace and no one from Tipp ever claimed otherwise, we dont do cover ups. As I said above IMO Paraic Maher on Michael Rice was an unfortunate accident. As for a Galway man breaking TJ Reids kneecap, Im unsure how you are blaming Tipp for this??

Are you going to answer Martin567 question or are you going to post another beauty of a post like the above?:D There is so much wrong with it,I don't even know where to begin and Im not going to even try.:D
Anyway...
You are the one that used the term "butchering" so again, please give examples of players getting sidelined and missing matches due to strokes from KK players.
Surely with all the "filth" and "butchering" you are accusing us of there has to be a few examples of such savagery?

Martin567

premierstone wrote: »

Are you suggesting that Paraic Maher intentionally injured Michael Rice, looked like a freak accident to me?

It most certainly was not an accident and you're in a tiny minority if you think it was. He couldn't have known he would shatter Michael Rice's finger but he went in as if swinging a slashers at full force without any regard for what he might hit. He was out of control on the day and committed enough offences to receive three red cards if an even half competent ref had been on duty.

I presume your failure to answer my earlier question is because you're still searching Google in a forlorn attempt to find even one example of an opposition player suffering a bad injury as a result of Kilkenny's 10 years of butchering.

Skyrim

silverbirch66 wrote: »

Im sure the Refs are after getting their cards marked and will be keeping a close eye on the timber merchants this season.Hopefully there wont be anymore unpunished strokes on KK lads going forward.

And if the refs don't punish the timber merchants, nicky brennan and eddie keher will highlight it.

premierstone

silverbirch66 wrote: »

Are you going to answer Martin567 question or are you going to post another beauty of a post like the above?:D There is so much wrong with it,I don't even know where to begin and Im not going to even try.:D
Anyway...
You are the one that used the term "butchering" so again, please give examples of players getting sidelined and missing matches due to strokes from KK players.
Surely with all the "filth" and "butchering" you are accusing us of there has to be a few examples of such savagery?

I have answered the question, do you recall the league final against Dublin?? Richie Hogan attepting to take a Limerick players eye out, Tommy Walsh assaulting a referee?

I fail to see the connection between players missing matches and the severity of the challenge btw.

premierstone

Martin567 wrote: »

It most certainly was not an accident and you're in a tiny minority if you think it was. He couldn't have known he would shatter Michael Rice's finger but he went in as if swinging a slashers at full force without any regard for what he might hit. He was out of control on the day and committed enough offences to receive three red cards if an even half competent ref had been on duty.

I presume your failure to answer my earlier question is because you're still searching Google in a forlorn attempt to find even one example of an opposition player suffering a bad injury as a result of Kilkenny's 10 years of butchering.

Like Silver you seem to have literacy problems the question has been answered above.

I agree that Paraic lost hes head last August and was clearly frustrated by the teams woefull performance, but the actual challenge that lead to Rice's injury was a complete accident IMO, you disagree fair enough.

Mountainlad

Martin567 wrote: »

It most certainly was not an accident and you're in a tiny minority if you think it was. He couldn't have known he would shatter Michael Rice's finger but he went in as if swinging a slashers at full force without any regard for what he might hit. He was out of control on the day and committed enough offences to receive three red cards if an even half competent ref had been on duty.

I presume your failure to answer my earlier question is because you're still searching Google in a forlorn attempt to find even one example of an opposition player suffering a bad injury as a result of Kilkenny's 10 years of butchering.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOzOdPGBz-0

I'm not going to accuse Kilkenny of being a dirty team, painting to many players with the one brush. But viewing the incident above, and taking into account stuff like Richie Hogan's strike against Limerick last year, these kind of incidents could easily put a player out of action for a long time, especially the one on Donnellan.

Tommy does very little to distance himself from his reputation. Of the flashes of footage they had from the Corbett and Walsh show in last year's all ireland semi, the only swing I saw from either was from Walsh.

I would agree that Pauric Maher should have been sent off a few times in that match, I'd have given a yellow for the challenge on Rice because it was loose but the ball was there at the same time. Reckless but unfortunate all the same. The foul he got a yellow for was shameful though.

premierstone

Skyrim wrote: »

And if the refs don't punish the timber merchants, nicky brennan and eddie keher will highlight it.

Did you not know that 'manly' hurling is a one way street in Kilkenny.

Martin567

premierstone wrote: »

Like Silver you seem to have literacy problems the question has been answered above.

I agree that Paraic lost hes head last August and was clearly frustrated by the teams woefull performance, but the actual challenge that lead to Rice's injury was a complete accident IMO, you disagree fair enough.

I specifically asked you to name a player forced to leave the field, let alone suffer a long-term injury, as a result of a foul challenge from a Kilkenny player. It seems as though it's you who has the literacy problem.

You're the one who made the comment about 10 years of butchery. Take it back or justify it. It's amazing ten years of fouling by Kilkenny hasn't injured anybody but when the opposition respond in kind, bad injuries happen straight away. Do you think it's just that Kilkenny players are weaker and not able to stand up to foul challenges or is it that the Kilkenny offenders are not so effective at causing injury despite years of practice?

Richie Hogan was deservedly sent off for a petulant swipe against Limerick last year. If the Limerick man could have been blinded by that foul, he must be one of those very unusual people with an eye situated halfway up his arm!

silverbirch66

premierstone wrote: »

Like Silver you seem to have literacy problems

" Paraic" "hes" "woefull" .

Keep them coming Premierstone:D

.And again to repeat..What examples of Kilkenny "filth" have left players sidelined or out of action for periods of time?
Take your time now lad.

premierstone

I remember now why I don't post on here between June and September when all hte loons and bandwagoners are around - seem too be around a bit earlier this year.

I'll see all the regular normal posters in October, adios!

Martin567

premierstone wrote: »

I remember now why I don't post on here between June and September when all hte loons and bandwagoners are around - seem too be around a bit earlier this year.

I'll see all the regular normal posters in October, adios!

I would challenge any rational person to read this thread and say whether you or I is the loon, based on the coherence of our respective postings.

silverbirch66

silverbirch66 wrote: »

In all fairness a Tipp supporter coming on here taking the high moral ground about "swinging hurleys" is a bit rich considering your own counties pedigree.And im not just talking about the last 4 years either.

Brian Gavin had no issue with it and saw it for what it was-an accident.So why should you?
Is it an attempt to deflect attention away from the 2 lads antics in the semi last year,I wonder?
One lad thinking he was a F**king ninja and the other one running around like he was after taking a feed of magic mushrooms.

The Tommy thing is getting boring now, lad.Take a look closer to home before you start judging others:D

Thats my point exactly, he is a useless incompetent referee. I wont defend the Tipp players last year but to be quite honest that seems to be the only case you can build, meanwhile your own lads, the masters of the dark arts are blissfully ignored as you point fingers at all in sundry.

Pudders

Pudders wrote: »

A terrible stroke that even if he didn't intend to injure, would have known the potential to injure.

Worse from Maher was not to apologise.

http://www.thescore.ie/michael-rice-there-were-seven-pieces-of-bone-that-were-big-enough-for-screws-to-go-into-603850-Sep2012/

Need i remind you that hurling is a game that requires constant thinking on your feet. You cant premeditate certain scenarios, unfortunate as they may be.

Similar to Paul O'Connell on Dave Kearney the other day, Maher's challenge on Rice while careless, cannot be deemed a premeditated attack. The many retaliations we've seen from certain players over the years though can be surely called into question.

silverbirch66

Deleted User wrote: »

Thats my point exactly, he is a useless incompetent referee. I wont defend the Tipp players last year but to be quite honest that seems to be the only case you can build, meanwhile your own lads, the masters of the dark arts are blissfully ignored as you point fingers at all in sundry.

Do you honestly believe that Walsh meant to do that? Seriously now? "masters of the dark arts"...I suppose with the amount of hidings ye lads have taken off them over the years its only natural to assume some type of wizardy is at work.

Deleted User wrote: »

The many retaliations we've seen from certain players over the years though can be surely called into question.

Your bogeyman Tommy didn't do much retaliation when the bould Benny nearly took the head off him,did he? No he didn't.Straight back on his feet ready to hurl again and made no bones about it either.

Anyway,may the best team win on Sunday and hopefully no one will be crippled.

Grats

"master of the dark arts" - indeed! So "dark" that the critics can't honestly see anything of consequences, other than the norm that one would expect in any competitive sport. However, what the "light" clearly demonstrates is the serious injuries being inflicted on Kilkenny players - fact. And there is no denying that fact. You can try to hide behind silly accusations that just don't wash. The proof is there - Tipp and Galway let those critics down with their filthy play. Those critics, including media people, have been calling it wrong for years, were hoping to be proven correct one day and were left with egg on their faces when Tipp and Galway showed the hurling world what playing OVER the edge is all about. Hence the silence regarding the serious injuries by those same people but more worrying, by Croke Park. Dropping McAllsiter and Waddiing is a hint of admission but the culprits still got away.

I wonder is there something in the rules for punishing any player who deliberately goes out to try to get an opponent sent off? Eoin Kelly and Corbett would need to be careful if there is - both showed unsporting behaviour in this regard over the last few years.

ps - Wadding showed incompetence as recently as the League game between KK and Tipp. He sent Tommy Walsh off for what was clearly not a second yellow card. Even the media were critical of that one.

Skyrim

Martin567 wrote: »

I would challenge any rational person to read this thread and say whether you or I is the loon, based on the coherence of our respective postings.

What has been so loony about his posts? Premierstone has been reasonably balanced in his views on the subject, he didn't deny that Maher deserved to see some punishment. You, on the other hand, have claimed that Maher intentionally set out to hurt rice. Were you at the dugout the time it happened? Are you a fly on the wall? Did you ask Maher himelf? You're hipocritical view is laughable. Next thing you'll be calling for action on Aidan Ryan's challenge on John Power in 1991.

silverbirch66

silverbirch66 wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that Walsh meant to do that? Seriously now? "masters of the dark arts"...I suppose with the amount of hidings ye lads have taken off them over the years its only natural to assume some type of wizardy is at work.

Oh here we go :rolleyes:

There is no disputing that Kilkenny have been a phenomenal team over the years even on the rare occasion they were defeated but then there is this blindness that their supporters have toward their moments of madness and yet this 20/20 vision they have toward others...never ceases to amaze me.

Pudders

Deleted User wrote: »

Need i remind you that hurling is a game that requires constant thinking on your feet. You cant premeditate certain scenarios, unfortunate as they may be.

Similar to Paul O'Connell on Dave Kearney the other day, Maher's challenge on Rice while careless, cannot be deemed a premeditated attack. The many retaliations we've seen from certain players over the years though can be surely called into question.

Difference was Paul O'Connell apologised.

Skyrim

Skyrim wrote: »

What has been so loony about his posts? Premierstone has been reasonably balanced in his views on the subject, he didn't deny that Maher deserved to see some punishment. You, on the other hand, have claimed that Maher intentionally set out to hurt rice. Were you at the dugout the time it happened? Are you a fly on the wall? Did you ask Maher himelf? You're hipocritical view is laughable. Next thing you'll be calling for action on Aidan Ryan's challenge on John Power in 1991.

Christy Heffernan is still whingeing about the free awarded prior to Tipperary's goal in the 91 final but in the next breath he claims that Tipperary are a county full of whingers. Hilarious really. Sums up the whole outlook that our good neighbours over the border have.

While we are on the subject of the league final ill be the first to admit that despite the stability that Eamon O'Shea has brought so far that our panel is still not settled and to be honest i dont know what to expect Sunday. If we allow Kilkennys fast players to get a run on us then im under no illusion that yes we could indeed get a trimming but i still believe we are on the right track under the manager.

My original use of bringing Brian Gavin into this thread was not to have any pop at Kilkenny but im amazed that the general consensus is that the two referees in question were deservedly canned (possibly right) and it would seem the reasons cited were mainly because they let things go against Kilkenny and tbh its hard to dispute, but at the same time other equally useless and unfit looking referees like Gavin are totally left out of the thread....i wonder why that is now.:rolleyes:

Pudders

Pudders wrote: »

Difference was Paul O'Connell apologised.

Accident or not id agree Maher definitely should have apologised. Foolish on the young man's part no doubt

silverbirch66

Pudders wrote: »

Difference was Paul O'Connell apologised.

Any decent sportsman would.

Martin567

("Skyrim;84390582"]What has been so loony about his posts? Premierstone has been reasonably balanced in his views on the subject, he didn't deny that Maher deserved to see some punishment. You, on the other hand, have claimed that Maher intentionally set out to hurt rice. Were you at the dugout the time it happened? Are you a fly on the wall? Did you ask Maher himelf? You're hipocritical view is laughable. Next thing you'll be calling for action on Aidan Ryan's challenge on John Power in 1991.[/quote]

Balanced!!! Have you actually read the entire thread? He accused Kilkenny of being guilty of 10 years of butchery and said they were now complaining when they were getting a taste of their own medicine.

I asked him to back this up with facts or else withdraw his ridiculous insult. All I got in response was a load of spoofing and to be called a loon. Yet he's the balanced one!

Mountainlad

Martin567 wrote: »

Balanced!!! Have you actually read the entire thread? He accused Kilkenny of being guilty of 10 years of butchery and said they were now complaining when they were getting a taste of their own medicine.

I asked him to back this up with facts or else withdraw his ridiculous insult. All I got in response was a load of spoofing and to be called a loon.Yet he's the balanced one!

Ah sure just mark it down as another incident on the long list of atrocities suffered by the poor Kilkenny folk.

Martin567

Mountainlad wrote: »

Ah sure just mark it down as another incident on the long list of atrocities suffered by the poor Kilkenny folk.

Cheers! Very constructive contribution, really gets to the nub of the issue.

Mountainlad

Martin567 wrote: »

Cheers! Very constructive contribution, really gets to the nub of the issue.

I tried that but I gave up on that when I saw some of these posts by the two jokers below!

silverbirch66 wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that Walsh meant to do that? Seriously now? "masters of the dark arts"...I suppose with the amount of hidings ye lads have taken off them over the years its only natural to assume some type of wizardy is at work.

silverbirch66 wrote: »

Are you going to answer Martin567 question or are you going to post another beauty of a post like the above?:D There is so much wrong with it,I don't even know where to begin and Im not going to even try.:D

Grats wrote: »

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Absolutely. At last justice is done - whatever it may mean to Michael Rice. Wadding continued to cock up this year when he gave Tommy Walsh a second yellow in the wrong in the KK v Tipp League game.

The famous CCCC ought to be ashamed of themselves too. Why the hell did they not call in these two refs after their deplorable displays? Getting rid of them now is an admission of their mistake, or rather negligence.

Seriously, the above lad actually gave out about Fergal Moore not getting a yellow card when there was serious concerns for his well being last weekend!

Already gave my view on Pauric Maher's incidents.

I don't really care much for the Tipp v Kilkenny back on forth that seems to be going on, but there's a woeful amount of moaning going on from Kilkenny people I notice recently. Fair enough when there's an issue there like Maher's swing on TJ Reid, and possibly Reid's injury in the all-ireland final though I must admit I haven't seen that because I missed the replay.

But there's a lot of talk here that is pure and utter tripe, and to be honest comments like 'butchery' coming from the otherside seem to be born out of sheer frustration with attempting reason.

I'd accept that nobody should call Kilkenny a dirty team (and to be honest, I haven't really seen it being bandied about the place that much if I'm honest) but you cannot try and claim they've not pulled strokes. Just because a strike doesn't result in injury doesn't mean it should be treated any differently if there was the potential for injury there and there was in some of the incidents highlighted in this thread. Take a few examples, accidents actually can produce worse injuries than acts of malevolance. Shane Duffy (Irish defender) in training with the Irish team punctured a lung colliding with a defender, last week the consensus seems to be that if there was a foul commited it was by Fergal Moore and yet he ended up in hospital. While Maher's challenge was reckless, I still don't feel the one on Rice was a red card personally, though I think he should have had a yellow for being careless.

The ball was there though. Hurling is an odd sport in that sense. If the ball was in the air and Maher broke Rice's hand well Rice would be held accountable for not protecting his hand.

Finally, I don't think Kilkenny should be singled out as a dirty team because we've seen a player from every county pull a stroke at some stage. There is this holier than thou mindset that seems prevalent over the past few months though, and I have to say personally it's what's irritating me here.