Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

Deepsouthwest

Milked out wrote: »

Ours are
Bovine disease levy 0.06c
Dairy inspection levy 0.1c
Dairy research levy 0.018c
Irish dairy board levy 0.14c

U should never look at it on a cost per litre basis, wait for the end of yr statement and see what it all adds up to then, and then add that on to massive amount of tax we had to pay over the last few wks, and then the accountants couple of €k on top of that, all comes to a crazy amount of money out of ur pocket with no thanks.
Sometimes ur better off not to think about these things!

whelan2

Are all these payments compulsory?

Buford T. Justice XIX

whelan2 wrote: »

off my latest milk cheque the following were deducted
Bord Bainne 44.43
Dairy research levy 11.43
Dairy council levy 37.80
Govt services 54.00
Disease eradication 32.40
National milk agency 11.13
Fmp levy 38.18
total 229.37 :eek:
wtf is government services and if they are getting 50 euro a month off the average farmer what does it go towards

I imagine Govt Services would be the milk ring test for brucellosis. Or that could be Disease eradication, just spotted that now.

That's a damn good question, W2. I'll ask at the AGM this week.

whelan2

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I imagine Govt Services would be the milk ring test for brucellosis. Or that could be Disease eradication, just spotted that now.

That's a damn good question, W2. I'll ask at the AGM this week.

600 euro a year to goverment services and thats just from me , imagine the total of it?

atlantic mist

How do u join FMP? Do you have to buy quota at 15 euro a liter? wouldnt imagine to many enter, closed shop at this stage.
Winter milk supplier here not a FMP member.

On spin out i wondered why the plc was keeping liquid milk and all the liquid milk lads in meeting stayed very quite which i though was very unusual, but it does keep suppliers in different groups easy to throw a bone to keep quite at times, good strategy. whats the avg liquid milk price for this year?

what happens when we flatten supply curve will plc/competitors be able to buy milk cheaper from us in manufacturing and bottle it for the supermarkets, manufacturing suppliers are used to being paid less than liquid milk equivalent

stretch film

atlantic mist wrote: »

How do u join FMP? Do you have to buy quota at 15 euro a liter? wouldnt imagine to many enter, closed shop at this stage.
Winter milk supplier here not a FMP member.

On spin out i wondered why the plc was keeping liquid milk and all the liquid milk lads in meeting stayed very quite which i though was very unusual, but it does keep suppliers in different groups easy to throw a bone to keep quite at times, good strategy. whats the avg liquid milk price for this year?

what happens when we flatten supply curve will plc/competitors be able to buy milk cheaper from us in manufacturing and bottle it for the supermarkets, manufacturing suppliers are used to being paid less than liquid milk equivalent

Liquid milk is a closed shop , similarly winter scheme is too.
No scope therefore for any existing supplier to increase winter output to help spread costs let alone room for new entrants.

No benefits given to liquid lads post demerger I can think of.
Price is manufacturing base + bonus over winter. Coop top up also going to liquid suppliers . Before you rear up over that one , be careful not to annoy your grain supplying neighbour.


Whatever about late lactation milk displacing liquid ,there are lads calving cows ayr effectively and getting only manuf price on this milk. So thats a curve flattening excercise in insanity imo. Gratefully accepted by processors.


On the levies , they will have increased by 50% by 2020 if the "harvest" predictions are met. Save some of your ire at the local branch meeting of the ifa for this issue. What was sufficient funding pre quota should be similar post.

WheatenBriar

Liquid milk contracts are not a closed shop in Glanbia, there was at least one new entrant last year,who bought liquid contract for the first time and now attends FMP meetings
There may have been more

stretch film

WheatenBriar wrote: »

Liquid milk contracts are not a closed shop in Glanbia, there was at least one new entrant last year,who bought liquid contract for the first time and now attends FMP meetings
There may have been more

Glad to hear that. What area roughly was this in.
I've picked up by his posts that A mist is from my neck of woods and it is certainly closed down here .
Alot of levies passed over and not a teaspoon of quota coming our way.
One poster here has a plan to double his liquid quota in line with overall expansion . The pool he will purchase from is certainly closed as long there is enough takers within a certain geographical area

Timmaay

WheatenBriar wrote: »

Liquid milk contracts are not a closed shop in Glanbia, there was at least one new entrant last year,who bought liquid contract for the first time and now attends FMP meetings
There may have been more

Last year you actually couldn't even sell liquid there were that many trying to exit, and so few wanting to buy. Shows where the liquid market is heading, it's just not worth the effort of running a seperate calving/drycow/Ai/grazing group for the likes of 20/30 cows which is about all that many liquid farmers around me would need to cover their liquid quota, combine that with quotas gone, it makes much more sense to run a compact calving 120 herd easily managed by 1 man, than say 80 split and him bursting his balls all year around.

stretch film

Timmaay wrote: »

Last year you actually couldn't even sell liquid there were that many trying to exit, and so few wanting to buy. Shows where the liquid market is heading, it's just not worth the effort of running a seperate calving/drycow/Ai/grazing group for the likes of 20/30 cows which is about all that many liquid farmers around me would need to cover their liquid quota, combine that with quotas gone, it makes much more sense to run a compact calving 120 herd easily managed by 1 man, than say 80 split and him bursting his balls all year around.

if those guys/gals decided to pack it in where does their unsold quota go?

there are quota holders(small?) all over the glanbia area leaving gallons unfilled and hence they evapourate into thin air instead of remaining in another farmers possession. these are a limited pool of higher value "production rights " and parochialism is keeping them out of fellow farmers hands (fellow FMP members).

while the collective negotiations etc is the strongest benefit of FMP, the slack management of liquid quota is not allowing interested suppliers maintain those gallons
and allow those who want to exit to do so

Timmaay

I'd be surprised if there are many unfilled liquid quota litres out there, bar exceptional circumstances like tb depopulation etc (and probably plenty of that in Wicklow ha), but anyways in general any liquid milk farmer I'd know would be the opposite, oversupplying their liquid contract most winters, this is due to poor fertility and too many winter/late spring milkers.

stretch film

Timmaay wrote: »

I'd be surprised if there are many unfilled liquid quota litres out there, bar exceptional circumstances like tb depopulation etc (and probably plenty of that in Wicklow ha), but anyways in general any liquid milk farmer I'd know would be the opposite, oversupplying their liquid contract most winters, this is due to poor fertility and too many winter/late spring milkers.

fair enough but why should someone who wants to exit be unable too due to due to a buyer not being available in his locality.

Timmaay

stretch film wrote: »

fair enough but why should someone who wants to exit be unable too due to due to a buyer not being available in his locality.

That was for one of the trading schemes only, Glanbia had to go out and actively encourage some farmers to buy more liquid quota if it suited them, which helped balance it out for the last scheme. Would have made sense here to buy some short term as I've a poor enough surplus winter milk bonus, however if you purchase any your excluded from selling it for 3yrs, and I'll hopefully be well on my way to compact spring calving by then. If you under supply your liquid quota for the month you'll really only get a slap on the wrist supposed anyways. It's not as if say afew farmers under supplying will make a huge difference, when loads others are hugely over supplying ha, not much change of Glanbia being ever short on liquid milk over the winter any day soon!

atlantic mist

stretch film wrote: »

Liquid milk is a closed shop , similarly winter scheme is too.
No scope therefore for any existing supplier to increase winter output to help spread costs let alone room for new entrants.

No benefits given to liquid lads post demerger I can think of.
Price is manufacturing base + bonus over winter. Coop top up also going to liquid suppliers . Before you rear up over that one , be careful not to annoy your grain supplying neighbour.

no grain neighbours only manufacturing milk so im safe enough:) ive no issue with grain or liquid milk getting coop top ups

we have been trying to get additional winter quota but was told they want us to reduce our winter volume not increase it

freedominacup

Timmaay wrote: »

That was for one of the trading schemes only, Glanbia had to go out and actively encourage some farmers to buy more liquid quota if it suited them, which helped balance it out for the last scheme. Would have made sense here to buy some short term as I've a poor enough surplus winter milk bonus, however if you purchase any your excluded from selling it for 3yrs, and I'll hopefully be well on my way to compact spring calving by then. If you under supply your liquid quota for the month you'll really only get a slap on the wrist supposed anyways. It's not as if say afew farmers under supplying will make a huge difference, when loads others are hugely over supplying ha, not much change of Glanbia being ever short on liquid milk over the winter any day soon!

The only way to get their attention and it would cost a bit would be with no warning to tell them there would be no milk collection from 17th to 22nd of Dec. I guarantee you a reaction in that circumstance. Every producer would have to pull together (near impossible I know) but if they did the chaos that ensued would ensure that supermarkets as well as processors would be at the negotiating table very quickly asking how much.

Buford T. Justice XIX

freedominacup wrote: »

The only way to get their attention and it would cost a bit would be with no warning to tell them there would be no milk collection from 17th to 22nd of Dec. I guarantee you a reaction in that circumstance. Every producer would have to pull together (near impossible I know) but if they did the chaos that ensued would ensure that supermarkets as well as processors would be at the negotiating table very quickly asking how much.

You're assuming Strathroy will not be able to make up a fairly large portion of the shortfall.

WheatenBriar

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

You're assuming Strathroy will not be able to make up a fairly large portion of the shortfall.

Well you'd have to have their co operation
Some of whats saved from that IFA salary could be returned to suppliers as strike pay...

freedominacup

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

You're assuming Strathroy will not be able to make up a fairly large portion of the shortfall.

Yes I am but it's a pretty safe assumption if they have little notice. Second assumption is that when Mary soap is doing her Christmas shop she's going to want her brands and if there's no fresh irish branded dairy available you'd have to hope she's not going to be happy.

kowtow

freedominacup wrote: »

when Mary soap is doing her Christmas shop she's going to want her brands and if there's no fresh irish branded dairy available you'd have to hope she's not going to be happy.

Especially if the brand that isn't there is Baileys.

Buford T. Justice XIX

WheatenBriar wrote: »

Well you'd have to have their co operation
Some of whats saved from that IFA salary could be returned to suppliers as strike pay...

freedominacup wrote: »

Yes I am but it's a pretty safe assumption if they have little notice. Second assumption is that when Mary soap is doing her Christmas shop she's going to want her brands and if there's no fresh irish branded dairy available you'd have to hope she's not going to be happy.

Mary will still want the sup of milk for her tea and cereal for the kids in the morning so she will go where she can get milk, any Stratroy retailers. And a fair chunk of those will stay there, reducing demand and creating a surplus supply.

Look, I'm not arguing about the need for action, just pointing out the possible after effects.

stretch film

freedominacup wrote: »

The only way to get their attention and it would cost a bit would be with no warning to tell them there would be no milk collection from 17th to 22nd of Dec. I guarantee you a reaction in that circumstance. Every producer would have to pull together (near impossible I know) but if they did the chaos that ensued would ensure that supermarkets as well as processors would be at the negotiating table very quickly asking how much.

I wonder has the opportunity passed on that one . So much non liquid milk available to fill the gaps even within glanbia.
When it was never employed as a tactic when it would have had a bigger impact it wont be now imo

Gii reckon they have a handy 6M litres to pass through bellview 2 week of January

Timmaay

Doing as the French do and smash office windows with ducksh1it would be a much more effective method if we were to go down the protest road ha.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I imagine Govt Services would be the milk ring test for brucellosis. Or that could be Disease eradication, just spotted that now.

That's a damn good question, W2. I'll ask at the AGM this week.

I rang the creamery and found out what the deductions were for.

Bovine disease 0.060c/l. This is for the Milk Ring test for Brucellosis
Dairy Research Levy 0.036c/l. This is for Teagasc research (old AFT Levy)
Inspection Levy 0.100c/l. This is for general inspections of plant and hygiene and storage.
NDC levy 0.070c/l. This is the National Dairy Council levy to promote milk and help rugby players drink more for us;)

whelan2

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I rang the creamery and found out what the deductions were for.

Bovine disease 0.060c/l. This is for the Milk Ring test for Brucellosis
Dairy Research Levy 0.036c/l. This is for Teagasc research (old AFT Levy)
Inspection Levy 0.100c/l. This is for general inspections of plant and hygiene and storage.
NDC levy 0.070c/l. This is the National Dairy Council levy to promote milk and help rugby players drink more for us;)

Any idea on govt services?

kowtow

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I rang the creamery and found out what the deductions were for.

Inspection Levy 0.100c/l. This is for general inspections of plant and hygiene and storage.

Out of interest what exactly are these inspections and how often do they take place?

As far as I am aware we have to have a council inspection before we supply any milk to the co-op but none of my neighbours can ever remember having one. I think since they'd already been milking since God was a boy by the time the inspections came in they just ticked a box somewhere.

I'm assuming that Bord Bia inspections etc. are a separate deal.

Buford T. Justice XIX

whelan2 wrote: »

Any idea on govt services?

Those are the only ones Kerry are charged for

kowtow wrote: »

Out of interest what exactly are these inspections and how often do they take place?

As far as I am aware we have to have a council inspection before we supply any milk to the co-op but none of my neighbours can ever remember having one. I think since they'd already been milking since God was a boy by the time the inspections came in they just ticked a box somewhere.

I'm assuming that Bord Bia inspections etc. are a separate deal.

My understanding is that is a fee to pay for the on-site Dept staff in each processing site. They would be in charge of making sure all the storage and sites are clean and free from risk and the book keeping is accurate.

Basically, we pay to make sure everything is kept above board in the plants and storage.

kowtow

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Those are the only ones Kerry are charged for

My understanding is that is a fee to pay for the on-site Dept staff in each processing site. They would be in charge of making sure all the storage and sites are clean and free from risk and the book keeping is accurate.

Basically, we pay to make sure everything is kept above board in the plants and storage.

So these are the inspections at the creamery / plant not at the farm?

Good business when you can get your supplier to pay your overheads...

stretch film

kowtow wrote: »

So these are the inspections at the creamery / plant not at the farm?

Good business when you can get your supplier to pay your overheads...

Milk Quality control levy another of those beauties.

mahoney_j

Local area meetings on for Arrabawn coop this week ,there's 2 additional meetings for our new Glanbia and dairygold ex suppliers in Carlow and mallow in early January .......,

kowtow

I'm beginning to think that the biggest service the IFA has ever done farmers is to explode in this fit of greed and arrogance and wake us all up to the sheer number of different people and organisations helping themselves to easy money (no easier than a compulsory levy) on the back of hard, dangerous, and typically ill rewarded work.

The status quo is never so strong that it can't be questioned, cleaned up, turned on it's head and made fit for purpose - and that goes for every co-op, processor, factory, quango, association & whatever else in the chain.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.