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Not really on-topic stuff from "N6 - Galway City Outer Bypass" thread
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crusher000 wrote: »Thankfully common sense has provailed because it was roads that brought alcoholism, broken marriages , teenage pregnancy and homosexuality to the west. What kind of evil would be fall us if an outer by pass was allowed to happen?. Progress away with you and we'll bet you with a stick if you dare come around here.
Twaszhent roads that brung all that filth, twas Gay Berren, tellyvision and Yoorop.
Who else but the Yooropeens would come up with a sick joke like the ECJ, comin in heeor and tellin us what to do with our land. Ho-mo-seckshual hippies every wan o them.
Hands off our bogs, while we're at it.
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Iwannahurl wrote: »Unfortunately again, advancing such evidence-based arguments gets us nowhere on Boards usually.
You never explained precisely how you would get a Heart Patient into a Bicycle Ambulance either.!!!
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So you're anti-bypass then?
I have made my position clear in numerous posts here and in other threads/forums. It's all there for anyone who wishes to read and inwardly digest.Sponge Bob wrote: »You never explained precisely how you would get a Heart Patient into a Bicycle Ambulance either.!!!
You have conspicuously failed to provide any evidence to support your repeated claim that "sick people are left dying in ambulances in the gridlock".
Now that you mention it, the 'bicycle ambulance' concept is quite well established, for example in London (a city also known for its congestion charge/road pricing, by the way, another concept we still seem to regard as too Lefty Green Yooropeen).
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To_be_confirmed wrote: »By the way, I think such ambulance bikes could be useful for reaching people quickly in congested areas. Touting them as a possible alternative method of patient transport...:eek:
They'd be dead handy for getting a paramedic ONSITE quickly WHILE the Ambulance gets there through the Galway traffic. IE Within Galway.
They'd be about 123% useless for getting someone into an operating theatre from Athenry and with half a leg hanging off, advanced blood loss and the loose leg snagging the back wheel on corners and all. 0 -
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Sponge Bob wrote: »They'd be dead handy for getting a paramedic ONSITE quickly WHILE the Ambulance gets there through the Galway traffic. IE Within Galway.
They'd be about 123% useless for getting someone into an operating theatre from Athenry and with half a leg hanging off, advanced blood loss and the loose leg snagging the back wheel on corners and all.
Any evidence yet of "sick people left dying in ambulances in the gridlock"?
Or is it still a case of GCOB -- 123% more heart-rending hyperbole while you wait?
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Iwannahurl wrote: »Any evidence yet of "sick people left dying in ambulances in the gridlock"?
Plenty, of course as you heartily wish never to see any such evidence you cannot be relied upon to look for it, preferring instead to accuse me of hyperbolé.
Why do you continue to deny that the main hospital for the ENTIRE west of Ireland, meaning for an area reaching from West Limerick to North Donegal is UCHG on the West side of Galway City. ?????0 -
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http://www.thejournal.ie/hse-response-elaine-curley-roscommon-two-hour-journey-roscommon-a-and-e-526836-Jul2012/
http://www.thejournal.ie/roscommon-hospital-closure-death-galway-525847-Jul2012/
I didn't think you would forget this sad story so soon, but you did. Now to my question of you having supplied a recent high profile link.
Why do you continue to deny that the main hospital for the ENTIRE west of Ireland, meaning for an area reaching from West Limerick to North Donegal is UCHG on the West side of Galway City. ?????0 -
Sponge Bob wrote: »Why do you continue to deny that the main hospital for the ENTIRE west of Ireland, meaning for an area reaching from West Limerick to North Donegal is UCHG on the West side of Galway City. ?????
Verbatim quote please.Sponge Bob wrote: »
Two links, one story.
Excerpt:"[The car crash victim] was just 15 minutes away from Roscommon Hospital but was brought first to Portiuncula Hospital in Ballinasloe and then on to Galway. She died en route.
It’s understood that the ambulance crew did not admit her to the hospital in Ballinsloe, but rather made contact with Portiuncula and were then told to bring her to Galway. According to the Irish Independent the crew were initially given inaccurate directions when leaving the scene."
No mention of a Bypass or lack of it. Not a syllable. Yet here is the Boards-standard hyperbollix:Sponge Bob wrote: »sick people are left dying in ambulances in the gridlockSponge Bob wrote: »sick and dying peopleSponge Bob wrote: »sick people die in ambulances in Galway Traffic0 -
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I'll try the simple question again and I'll post one of Iwannahurls photos from earlier today to stimulate everyones truth glands. Lets see if we can get a simple answer this time.
"Where is the Regional Hospital serving all of Counties Galway Roscommon Mayo Leitrim Sligo Donegal Clare Limerick and parts of Tipperary and also possibly West Cavan.???? "
Hope the pusbike porn does the trick this time. Why did Iwannahurl post a picture of that British WW2 Bunker anyway?? 0 -
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I think that long rant accepts that UCHG is the Regional Hospital for all the west of Ireland ....I knew that the pusbike porn would have some effect.
The IROPI case is more sophisticated than stating that the Main Hospital for 1m people is gridlocked on the far side of Galway but I am personally under an NDA on the content that that I am certain of at this time.
Save to say I improved how parts of it are presented and none had anything to do with the Hospital
But I will ping an email in to say that a known serial objector has admitted on boards.ie that IE apropos UCHG >>>>that:iwannahurl wrote:"sick people are left dying in ambulances" travelling from "all of counties Galway Roscommon Mayo Leitrim Sligo Donegal Clare Limerick and parts of Tipperary and also possibly West Cavan" to UHG.
The total population of that entire catchment area must be around a million people, give or take a few thousand."
In case you edit it ...my direct quote of your words will beat your timestamp on the edit ( 23:15 at the time pf posting) and thanking you very much and all.
I'll eschew the pusbike porn until I need your unique form of "hyperbole" again.
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Sponge Bob wrote: »...I am personally under an NDA on the content that that I am certain of at this time.
Save to say I improved how parts of it are presented and none had anything to do with the Hospital
But I will ping an email in to say that a known serial objector has admitted on boards.ie that IE apropos UCHG >>>>that:
In case you edit it ...my direct quote of your words will beat your timestamp on the edit ( 23:15 at the time pf posting) and thanking you very much and all.
Pardon?
EDIT: I couldn't care less (in the present context) whether UHG was the only remaining hospital for the entire island of Ireland. The issue, as it relates to the proposed GCOB, is that you have claimed repeatedly that "sick people are left dying in ambulances in the gridlock" (presumably on the way to UHG, since you keep referring to it) yet you have conspicuously failed so far to back up that assertion. Since you haven't been able to provide any solid evidence to support that outlandish claim, it is clearly nothing but emotive hyperbole.Sponge Bob wrote: »Why did Iwannahurl post a picture of that British WW2 Bunker anyway??
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Iwannahurl wrote: »I haven't the foggiest idea. WW2 bunker Can you explain in plain English?
On the left side of the photo you posted you clearly showed a WW2 Bunker with bicycles outside.
Obviously you have no idea where your line of Bicycle Ambulances were when the picture was taken but I can show you WHERE the picture was taken.
Pushbike Porn Shot Location Here
and your Pushbike Porn below ( for the third and hopefully the last time in this thread) . Furthermore I can probably tell you the date of the shot to within one week and why there were no proper ambulances there...but not in this thread. :cool: 0 -
Sponge Bob wrote: »On the left side of the photo you posted you clearly showed a WW2 Bunker with bicycles outside.
Obviously you have no idea where your line of Bicycle Ambulances were when the picture was taken but I can show you WHERE the picture was taken.
Pushbike Porn Shot Location Here
and your Pushbike Porn below ( for the third and hopefully the last time in this thread) . Furthermore I can probably tell you the date of the shot to within one week and why there were no proper ambulances there...but not in this thread. :cool:
Er, why would anyone care about the "WW2 bunker" or "the date of the shot to within one week"!!??
The pic of the NHS Cycle Response Unit was simply to point out, in reply to a post of yours, that such paramedic services actually exist and have a real and measurable role to play. The lack of comprehension in this thread speaks volumes, IMO.
What about "NDA" and "known serial objector has admitted"?
As for this:Sponge Bob wrote: »Now to my question of you having supplied a recent high profile link.Sponge Bob wrote: »Why do you continue to deny that the main hospital for the ENTIRE west of Ireland, meaning for an area reaching from West Limerick to North Donegal is UCHG on the West side of Galway City. ?????
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Please don't tell us that a "Cycle Response Unit" will have to get from UCHG to Donegal. Sure a Donkey Response Unit based in Glenties woud be quicker.....and could carry a stretcher as well.
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If you want to make use of this point, then use the term "supra regional", not "regional" and acknowledge it refers to only some patients.
It refers to some patients. By the exact same logic some care is NATIONAL and this results in frequent transfers OUT of Galway to James' (Burns) Beamont ( Neurological ) and Crumlin ( Children) . Irrespective of the movement vector a trans City journey is required.
A previous effort to split out the permaschlock was successful for quite a time but the mods changed since and the reason for the previous split faded from memory ( same reason as this split exactly)
However when Victor was quietly PMd about the old thread he started this new thread instead. I dunno.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=74060626
98% of problems in the main Galway Bypass thread will go right away if a mod could explain patiently what a bicycle cannot do and and put the list in as rules in Post #1
A Bicycle cannot move a heart patient
A Bicycle cannot move a burns patient
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A Bicycle cannot move a washing machine
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A Bicycle cannot deliver a plumber and his full toolkit onsite.
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A Bicycle cannot pull a 40 foot container behind it
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A Bicycle cannot collect passengers from Dublin Airport and deliver them to Galway in a timely manner.
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A Bicycle cannot cross water to Inishmore except in a very favourable sea state
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To_be_confirmed wrote: »Verbatim quote of what exactly? I'm quite confused. I merely asked you if you were seriously suggesting that they could be used as an alternative to motorised patient transport, something which you had not answered directly.
I then went on to describe the touting of such a concept as absurd. I don't know what you mean by this Who What When stuff.
Just to be clear, my question is not meant to be vexatious. I geniunely want to know the relevance of bicycled paramedics to the thread above. Unless you were outlining a way which bicycles or other methods could replace every last motorised ambulance for critically-ill patients, I can't see the relevance of this to the merits for the GCOB.
You haven't directly answered my post above, I note. While you have accused others of using hyperbole and straw man arguments and other such points, you didn't answer the question I've asked you with anything but more questions.
Dealt with already. The rest is just Straw Man stuff, which as a rule I don't engage with as if it had any merit.Sponge Bob wrote: »
However when Victor was quietly PMd about the old thread he started this new thread instead. I dunno.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=74060626
98% of problems in the main Galway Bypass thread will go right away if a mod could explain patiently what a bicycle cannot do and and put the list in as rules in Post #1
A Bicycle cannot move a heart patient
A Bicycle cannot move a burns patient
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A Bicycle cannot move a washing machine
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A Bicycle cannot deliver a plumber and his full toolkit onsite.
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A Bicycle cannot pull a 40 foot container behind it
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A Bicycle cannot collect passengers from Dublin Airport and deliver them to Galway in a timely manner.
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A Bicycle cannot cross water to Inishmore except in a very favourable sea state
etc etc.
A whole shoal of straw-fed red herrings there.
If you put as much effort into rational debate as you do with specious argument the GCOB debate would be a lot more constructive (as it much as it could ever be on Boards).
To continue the tortured zoological metaphors, GCOB proponents currently seem to be running around like a bunch of headless chickens after the ECJ ruling. Hence the scratching around for crumbs of comfort under the IROPI banner.
The bypass has now been put back by several more years. For the last twenty years the City Council has sat and waited for the GCOB to deliver them from their own folly. Policy as well as reality has now overtaken them, and I believe they will have little option but to seriously consider alternatives such as Transportation Demand Management, or whatever else it might be called, until their hopes of a GCOB resurrection materialise.
There are die-hards and incompetents in City Hall (and the County Buildings) who are simply unwilling or unable to see beyond car dependent development. They, like some posters on Boards, will often fly into a state of stratospheric apoplexy at the mention of anything deemed upsetting by the People That Matter.0 -
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Iwannahurl wrote: »It is up to those making such a claim to provide the evidence.
None forthcoming so far, which doesn't lend a lot of support to the "theory".
You are oversensitive to the Hospital issue.
You may of course provide costings for moving the hospital to where a Bypass is not needed to service the requirements of the patients in its catchment area. Massively upgrading Merlin Park would do the trick nicely.
I reckon it could be done for ummm emmmm ummm about the same price as the bypass depending on whether we tunnel under the limestone or not in which case moving the hospital would cost less. 0 -
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Sponge Bob wrote: »You are oversensitive to the Hospital issue.
You may of course provide costings for moving the hospital to where a Bypass is not needed to service the requirements of the patients in its catchment area. Massively upgrading Merlin Park would do the trick nicely.
I reckon it could be done for ummm emmmm ummm about the same price as the bypass depending on whether we tunnel under the limestone or not in which case moving the hospital would cost less.
I think repeated use of fanciful and emotive phrases such as "sick people dying in ambulances in the gridlock" suggests the real hypersensitivity on show.
Hopefully the IROPI process will be based on rationality and policy considerations, rather than on such emotion.0 -
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