Bangernomics car of the week/day part III

homingbird

pajor wrote: »

Yeahhhh.. Barge pole. Touch. Not.

Not everyone that buys a second hand car is a mechanic . So if the previous owner changed the logbook how are you to know what engine is in it . Putting it through the nct should tell on it if not its not your fault you paid the wrong road tax.

Red Kev

Three load luggers here, all French, all diesel, handy if you have kids or plenty of gear to shift:



€800, new NCT, diesel, handy yokes these, very spacious, looks well minded.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/citroen-berlingo-diesel/5587900





Borrowed one of these during the summer when my own bus was in getting serviced, I liked the space, comfort and practicality. Big mileage doesn't bother me if it's been well minded, this one probably falls into that category. €1400, NCT till June 14, the 300,000 km should scare most off so may be space for haggling.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/citroen-picasso-for-sale/5772315




Looks good, new NCT, diesel €1395

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/peugeot-406-hdi/5806732

PrettyBoy

homingbird wrote: »

Not everyone that buys a second hand car is a mechanic . So if the previous owner changed the logbook how are you to know what engine is in it . Putting it through the nct should tell on it if not its not your fault you paid the wrong road tax.

Was looking at an ad for an E36 M3 the other day, car looks like it's in great condition and owner seems like an enthusiast but in the description it has something along the lines of '2.0 in the logbook, cheap tax'.

Someone asked him what would happen if it was involved in an accident, a very defensive answer was given saying that it's insured as an M3 so it will be covered as tax is nothing to do with it. I was just wondering then what would happen if you were stopped the guards, they checked the tax and saw that it wasn't right? I'd imagine it would be seized without question and it wouldn't be as simple as paying back the arrears..

In any case, I'd never consider buying a car that the seller advertised as having false details on the logbook.

dgt

NCT Till July, 1200

Tax till Dec, HDi

Red Kev

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Was looking at an ad for an E36 M3 the other day, car looks like it's in great condition and owner seems like an enthusiast but in the description it has something along the lines of '2.0 in the logbook, cheap tax'.

Someone asked him what would happen if it was involved in an accident, a very defensive answer was given saying that it's insured as an M3 so it will be covered as tax is nothing to do with it. I was just wondering then what would happen if you were stopped the guards, they checked the tax and saw that it wasn't right? I'd imagine it would be seized without question and it wouldn't be as simple as paying back the arrears..

In any case, I'd never consider buying a car that the seller advertised as having false details on the logbook.

My biggest worry with that would be that anybody who wanted to skimp on paying tax on that might have skimped on servicing and maintaining it. An M3 needs more cash to run than an ordinary car and might suffer as a result.

To be honest if I was in the market for one I wouldn't look at that one.

dgt

NCT till July, 1400

US front....

PrettyBoy

Red Kev wrote: »

My biggest worry with that would be that anybody who wanted to skimp on paying tax on that might have skimped on servicing and maintaining it. An M3 needs more cash to run than an ordinary car and might suffer as a result.

To be honest if I was in the market for one I wouldn't look at that one.

That crossed my mind too, appears to be a well looked after example and is priced accordingly but I have my doubts. Wanted to ask him the question in his ad but decided against it...

PrettyBoy

dgt wrote: »

NCT till July, 1400

US front....

Doesn't appear to be a US spec front bumper as there are no amber side markers. Maybe he just preferred that licence plate shape?

pajor

I'd say that Merc is a Jap import. Looks like just KPH on the speedo to me.

dgt

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Doesn't appear to be a US spec front bumper as there are no amber side markers. Maybe he just preferred that licence plate shape?

True I was thinking that myself, I've often hankered after a US front plate holder for my E34....

Possibly a Jap import as suggested as MH didn't go that high in 99

cadaliac

homingbird wrote: »

Not everyone that buys a second hand car is a mechanic . So if the previous owner changed the logbook how are you to know what engine is in it . Putting it through the nct should tell on it if not its not your fault you paid the wrong road tax.

Its the "changing the logbook" that is the issue. When you loose a logbook, you send off for another one and you also send the details of the car to Shannon. The details being the car registration, chassis number etc. AFAIK the details of the engine will be sent out to you with the logbook. i.e. cc size, fuel type etc. I can't understand where the seller changes these details. They are details that the tax office have relating to the car in question. well, at least if it was ever registered correctly in Ireland before this sale.
The other instance is a fake V5 (or whatever the UK registration doc is called).
I could be totally wrong here but as far as I can guess he must have a "man on the inside" to make it work.
Its no good creating a fake logbook either 'cause you will be caught out when you go to tax the car.

Ninap

dgt wrote: »

NCT till June, 1800

Taxed till Dec..... Too expensive?

Passenger doors look a different colour to rest of car?

dgt

Ninap wrote: »

Passenger doors look a different colour to rest of car?

I think it's been here before (I remember posting a similar Lexus to that one also wit slightly different shades. Could even be the same one!)

I think its the wing myself, looks different to the a pillar and doors

For Forks Sake

Only logging on for the first time today now....did everyone decide to post while drunk last night or something.

Obligatory chape car....

74k miles, NCT July 14, 800 quid asking.

PrettyBoy

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Only logging on for the first time today now....did everyone decide to post while drunk last night or something.

Was going to say something similar earlier when a 12 year old Yaris for €1850 was posted by someone, don't think they really understand the point of this thread..

jharr100

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-avensis-in-excellent-condition/5829772

Is this more like it?



Short enough NCT though... Just spotted...

Soarer

Red Kev wrote: »

My biggest worry with that would be that anybody who wanted to skimp on paying tax on that might have skimped on servicing and maintaining it. An M3 needs more cash to run than an ordinary car and might suffer as a result.

To be honest if I was in the market for one I wouldn't look at that one.

I'd be more inclined to think he didn't want to pay the extortionate tax on a 3.2, so taxed it as a 2 litre and spent the savings on maintenance.

JohnBoy26

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Was going to say something similar earlier when a 12 year old Yaris for €1850 was posted by someone, don't think they really understand the point of this thread..

Not wanting to start an argument, but what is wrong with the yaris I posted?

Around 2k is the going rate for these, even at that age. When it comes time to sell again you will get a fair chunk of your money back as they are a very popular car. That coupled with it's tidy condition makes it good bangernomics Imo.

PrettyBoy wrote: »

don't think they really understand the point of this thread..

please enlighten me as to what the point of this thread is then?

unkel

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Not wanting to start an argument, but what is wrong with the yaris I posted?

Around 2k is the going rate for these, even at that age.

Nothing wrong with your Yaris, the price is bang on the going rate and small Toyotas have always commanded a steep premium over similar cars. It WILL sell for near the asking price and the buyer will get a good price back in a year or two. So you're completely in the clear

That said, would I buy that car? Hell no. I'm not one of Ireland's 3.5 million strong force of Toyota appreciating car buyers. And the old rule of thumb that a Toyota (or any other car) really keeps its value has long gone

I remember the girlfriend of a mate buying a '87 Starlet in '95 for 3k punts :eek:

I remember the going rate for a '99 base 1.4 VW Golf in '07 being €6k :eek:

Those days are long gone and even the most admired cars in this country like those two above are now subject to bangernomics level pricing

PrettyBoy

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Not wanting to start an argument, but what is wrong with the yaris I posted?

My mistake, I thought I was looking at the luxobarge thread when I posted last night, I was going back and forth between the two

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Fiat Seicento 1.1 SX with 50,000 miles - NCT until May 2014 for €650



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dgt

dgt wrote: »

NCT till March, 850

Going to mallow in the morning to view this and if it checks out I'll drive it away. Anything to look out for? It has changed owners last month afaik

unkel

Snotaul Goodman wrote: »

It has changed owners last month afaik

That usually means either:

1. Owner is small trader and bought it to turn a wee profit
2. There's a major issue

It's not the first, the car is simply too cheap. So it's probably the second. I hope I'm wrong, but beware!!!

bear1

If it's like my S40 then the radio doesn't like to play CDR's.
Check that the central locking works ok
Check the handbrake is working
Also listen for suspension knocks (usually droplinks)

bear1

unkel wrote: »

That usually means either:

1. Owner is small trader and bought it to turn a wee profit
2. There's a major issue

It's not the first, the car is simply too cheap. So it's probably the second. I hope I'm wrong, but beware!!!

Good point actually.

Muckie

Brother has an 03 Volvo similar to this, had a power steering problem.

Worth checking, any service history or work done on the car.

Cheers lads. Will be having a look anyway. The NCT is backdated according to the seller. Was only done recently

dgt

Snotaul Goodman wrote: »

Cheers lads. Will be having a look anyway. The NCT is backdated according to the seller. Was only done recently

I hope it checks out for you, I don't know much about them only they are peanuts to buy for what they are good to see others helping out!

dgt

dgt wrote: »

I hope it checks out for you, I don't know much about them only they are peanuts to buy for what they are good to see others helping out!

Me too. I needed a car and needed it 2 months ago! Kept putting it off.

dgt

NCT Till April, 1900

Taxed too.... Yay or nay?