Guinness is not good for Waterford

mike65

Diageo is closing the Mary Street facility by the end of the year.

In 2003 they spent 40 million on the upgrade.

ziedth

Any link Mike?

longshanks

How many people work there?

mike65

Only WLR headline at 1 pm.

Twitter has some stuff from Mary Roche going back a day or two. Looks like this was coming since they announced a review of their Irish ops.

How many people work there?

20 something

dazftw

Another eye sore like R&H hall and Jurys..

ziedth

I always thought it was quite a few more worked there. Sad news for all concerned.

Finnbar01

Sorry for going off topic but a politician commented on the Vincent Byrne show the other night said to open up even a small business store, the owner would need no less then 23 different licences!

The cost of doing business in this country is one of the main reasons why businesses are closing down.

wmpdd3

Sorry to hear that, my grandfather worked there. He was so proud evertime we came over the bridge to say he worked there.

thomasm

I love the smell that comes out of that place some days, something I always associate with coming over the bridge

mike65

Given the nature of the plant you'd have to wonder what they can do with it, other than take it down and sell it for parts. Maybe someone else fancies starting a "not that micro-brewery"

tombliboo83

Desperate news for Waterford again, I was just thinking how good it is though to see Dungarvan brew co. appear in more pubs in Waterford.

jackfrostwins

Guinness is made from treated tap water(fluoride etc),whereas our Dungarvan brew is toxin free.

Bards

ON RTE Website http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0411/380907-diageo-waterford/

Diageo has announced that it will cease operations at its Waterford brewery by the end of this year, with the loss of 21 jobs.

The drinks company said it plans to transfer all of its operations to its brewery at St James's Gate in Dublin.

However, there will be no additional jobs at St James's Gate.

In a statement this afternoon, Diageo said it had made the decision after a review of how it can "best ensure the long-term sustainability and global competitiveness of ... brewing operations in Ireland".

It added: "The company will now engage in formal consultation with the relevant representative bodies on the implementation of the proposal."

Cabaal

Just so people in Waterford don't feel left out, Smithwicks in Kilkenny is also gone in December with the loss of i believe 44 jobs......300 years of brewing in Kilkenny gone.

So its Diageo cutting jobs across the board. Not fun for anyone

Sully

So its up to the IDA to push people towards this site now but it may be a difficult site to sell as its a brewery so not many can locate there. With a similar Brewery in Kilkenny having departed, that’s two brewery’s that need a tenant. It might be a tough ask to get someone into them when two separate companies stopped brewing.

Nypd

Sully wrote: »

So its up to the IDA to push people towards this site now but it may be a difficult site to sell as its a brewery so not many can locate there. With a similar Brewery in Kilkenny having departed, that’s two brewery’s that need a tenant. It might be a tough ask to get someone into them when two separate companies stopped brewing.

Wasn't there plans to do something with a museum there a few years back ?!
Or was I dreaming 😳

Sully

Nypd wrote: »

Wasn't there plans to do something with a museum there a few years back ?!
Or was I dreaming 😳

Not a bad idea but I suspect the cost would be high. A mini-Guinness museum outside of Dublin, but they might not like that.

anndub

Guinness isn't brewed in Kilkenny so a museum may well be an option that will be explored. It would be very different to The Storehouse.

spankmemunkey

I seriously hope Guinness drinkers will now decide not to drink Guinness in response to this, Why support someone who takes jobs away, Beamish in Cork did the same and it was a huge thing, how many years was that brewed there yet all the locals stayed loyal to the brewers and drank the very beer that took away their livelyhoods!

mikom

To Arthur.........

Max Powers

Get out and support metalman and dungarvan folks. best beer around no doubt.

spankmemunkey

Max Powers wrote: »

Get out and support metalman and dungarvan folks. best beer around no doubt.

I also heard it was 36 jobs not 20 something, and yeah support these guys instead.

wandatowell

Cabaal wrote: »

Just so people in Waterford don't feel left out, Smithwicks in Kilkenny is also gone in December with the loss of i believe 44 jobs......300 years of brewing in Kilkenny gone.

funkyouup

spankmemunkey wrote: »

I seriously hope Guinness drinkers will now decide not to drink Guinness in response to this, Why support someone who takes jobs away,

Are you actually serious? You'd swear Diageo were taking away jobs for the sheer craic, you come out with some ****e.

Adyx

Cabaal wrote: »

Just so people in Waterford don't feel left out, Smithwicks in Kilkenny is also gone in December with the loss of i believe 44 jobs......300 years of brewing in Kilkenny gone.

So its Diageo cutting jobs across the board. Not fun for anyone

Yeah but they haven't actually made Smithwicks in Kilkenny for years. I think they've just handled Budweiser for a number of years now.

wellboy76

Why didn't minster brutal come down and announce this closure.

S28382

spankmemunkey wrote: »

I seriously hope Guinness drinkers will now decide not to drink Guinness in response to this, Why support someone who takes jobs away, Beamish in Cork did the same and it was a huge thing, how many years was that brewed there yet all the locals stayed loyal to the brewers and drank the very beer that took away their livelyhoods!

Just because they close a place doesnt mean i will stop drinking it i like Guinness and if people did stop using their products just because of that then they would stop drinking Bud, Guinness, Carlsberg, Tuborg, Smithwicks, and tons more so i doubt that will happen. Diageo pretty much have a monoply on the drinks trade they will do as they please.

kayaksurfbum

jackfrostwins wrote: »

Guinness is made from treated tap water(fluoride etc),whereas our Dungarvan brew is toxin free.

Proof???

The brewery in waterford is in that location because of the natureal spings that come out of the rocks. They only used the council supply to wash the pipes.

The old brewhouse in Waterford is older then james gate. It would be to small for a museum If you ask me.

mooseknunkle

heres hoping someone takes it over and starts making hoffmans again

spankmemunkey

funkyouup wrote: »

Are you actually serious? You'd swear Diageo were taking away jobs for the sheer craic, you come out with some ****e.

Jaysus i was just sacked by Diageo what will i do with the last 20 euro in my pocket oh yeah i will give it to Diageo!

There are other alcohols on the market, Jesus who says Irish people have a drink problem.

Hoffmans

wellboy76 wrote: »

Why didn't minster brutal come down and announce this closure.

and kenny too the good news hijacking jackels,

they invest 30 million 8 years ago now they pull the plug , hope there is a boycott of their marketing ploy Aurthers day 2013 in waterford at least.......

old gregg

A minor historical fact, the very first time the Internet was demonstrated to the Irish business community was in the board room of Cherry's.

mike65

Crickey! Wonder how many times they had to dial up*.














*ask your parents!

old gregg

mike65 wrote: »

Crickey! Wonder how many times they had to dial up*.

Back when the sounds of a modem handshake were like Beethoven to our ears :P

It actually took awhile but we got there.

jive

jackfrostwins wrote: »

Guinness is made from treated tap water(fluoride etc),whereas our Dungarvan brew is toxin free.

right.... is there no alcohol in the Dungarvan brew then? Cause alcohol is a toxin. But yeah, the tap water is what I'd be worried about when drinking a rake of pints...

jennygirl

tombliboo83 wrote: »

Desperate news for Waterford again, I was just thinking how good it is though to see Dungarvan brew co. appear in more pubs in Waterford.

Metalman is Waterford city own beer, made in Tycor, created by Grainne Walsh and her staff of 4 - Support her Brand, Waterfords Brand... she produces a range of beers inc a lager, all preservitave free and made locally. if you local does not stock it, ask why not, and keep asking until they do!
Support local jobs, spend your money in Waterford

johnnykilo

jennygirl wrote: »

Metalman is Waterford city own beer, made in Tycor, created by Grainne Walsh and her staff of 4 - Support her Brand, Waterfords Brand... she produces a range of beers inc a lager, all preservitave free and made locally. if you local does not stock it, ask why not, and keep asking until they do!
Support local jobs, spend your money in Waterford

+1! And the thing is it's not even a matter of supporting it just because it's from Waterford. It's actually one of the nicest beers I've ever tried (and I'm a beer snob!). The Metalman Pale Ale won the Beoir (Irish Craft Brewers Association) Beer of the Year award last month.

I appreciate the Pale Ale mightn't be to everyone's taste but they do a range of beers, and I'd recommend people at least try them, you might just be surprised!

johnnykilo

old gregg wrote: »

A minor historical fact, the very first time the Internet was demonstrated to the Irish business community was in the board room of Cherry's.

Just out of curiosity, what year are we talking?

Roanmore

spankmemunkey wrote: »

Beamish in Cork did the same and it was a huge thing, how many years was that brewed there yet all the locals stayed loyal to the brewers and drank the very beer that took away their livelyhoods!

Weren't Beamish taken over by Heineken and both Beamish and Murphy's brewed in the one location?

old gregg

johnnykilo wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, what year are we talking?

You know, I sadly can't remember exactly. IOL had just been started and I gave the demonstration to local members of the Irish Management Institute. I suppose it was around 1993. Back when I started working with the 'net we were the 308th company in the world to have a web presence and were hosted on the Rolling Stones server in New York as I'd developed the first official Rolling Stones screensaver for Windows 3. Cool times on the Internet before the suits got greedy Nice to be semi-retired at this stage.

Speak Now

Pity more of the pubs dont stock the local beers. Tried the Metalman Pale recently and was very surprised how nice it was. Problem is the next bar minght not have it

Tycor,Dungarvan and Bagenalstown all have decent stuff id like to see more of in our pubs.

Max Powers

jennygirl wrote: »

Metalman is Waterford city own beer, made in Tycor, created by Grainne Walsh and her staff of 4 - Support her Brand, Waterfords Brand... she produces a range of beers inc a lager, all preservitave free and made locally. if you local does not stock it, ask why not, and keep asking until they do!
Support local jobs, spend your money in Waterford

Well said Jenny. I always ask for metalman or dungravan, i love it.

Junior

Global alignment of strategy's, lowcost main manufacturing point blah blah, it's all just a load of corporate speak for a company that want to make more money, nothing more, nothing less. Yet they'll have no hassle flying in UK acts for Arthurs day which is in fact just a huge free marketing day (partially) paid for Discover Ireland etc - I'm disgusted at this corporate attitude we see more and more lately, disgusted but not surprised. A lot of companies are using this recession as an excuse to squeeze margins, squeeze employees when in fact it's just for a bigger balance on the books not due to any short comings of the business.

Finnbar01

Junior wrote: »

Global alignment of strategy's, lowcost main manufacturing point blah blah, it's all just a load of corporate speak for a company that want to make more money, nothing more, nothing less. Yet they'll have no hassle flying in UK acts for Arthurs day which is in fact just a huge free marketing day (partially) paid for Discover Ireland etc - I'm disgusted at this corporate attitude we see more and more lately, disgusted but not surprised. A lot of companies are using this recession as an excuse to squeeze margins, squeeze employees when in fact it's just for a bigger balance on the books not due to any short comings of the business.

And what is wrong with a company trying to make more money?

Mr Tibbs

Its very depressing when you are coming into town from the Cork Rd. side passing the shell of what was once Waterford Crystal.
Now at the end of this year you will have an other empty shell coming into town across the bridge when the Brewery ceases operations.
I taught this place was safe for a good few years when such a major investment was made in 2004. The workers must feel very let down because they probably felt their jobs were safe.
Spring water was always used in the brewing of beer at this plant since Strangmans first started brewing here many years ago. I will always remember the smell of the hops whenever I was in that part of town. Its hard to believe this is happening especially with all the new road infrastructure that was supposed to herald a new dawn to our town. I feel very sorry for all those who are about to lose their jobs when this plant closes and of course the knock on effect it will have to this part of town will not be very positive. By right as a form of protest we should only drink beer that has nothing to do with Diageo or better still drink our local brews and in time this might create more work that would make up for some of the job losses that are about to happen. I always say town even though we live in the oldest city in Ireland.

Junior

Maybe wrong choice of words, or wrong expression of what I was thinking, maybe I should have rephrased it as Profit margin or an undying devotion to maximising profits without considering the actual human or historical context of what the decision means. In short how much profit is enough for a company - and some seem to think more and more is good regardless of how they make that extra 1%

Finnbar01

Junior wrote: »

Maybe wrong choice of words, or wrong expression of what I was thinking, maybe I should have rephrased it as Profit margin or an undying devotion to maximising profits without considering the actual human or historical context of what the decision means. In short how much profit is enough for a company - and some seem to think more and more is good regardless of how they make that extra 1%

Companies exist to make a profit and nobody is forced to work for them.

Incidentally, there is no such a thing as a non-profit organization because even charities have to make a profit or they'll otherwise would go to the wall.

Max Powers

Just looking on the KK page and looks like they got some money to make the brewery there some sort of visitor attraction. Sounds good for KK, hopefully something will happen in Waterford City site.

run_Forrest_run

Finnbar01 wrote: »

And what is wrong with a company trying to make more money?

nothing, nothing at all. After all, that is the sole objective of a (commercial) company. However, I believe companies can chose to run their business with a sense of ethics and responsibility for the people who have shown loyalty and commitment to the company.
We all know companies can close down offices and move to cheaper locations in an attempt to save a few beans but often that is just the lazy approach for the lazy fat cats in management. There are a raft of other options they could take (I won't bore ye with them here:D) but it's too much work and too risky for senior management to engage in such alternatives.

I work for an international company, family run to this day and despite us hitting a serious drop in revenue and orders about 5 years ago they did not shed one job. They cut salaries for a few years but in essence, we remained in gainful employment and that is what the ordinary decent worker is asking.

But Cherry's & Guinness is no longer (and hasn't been for years) and the Diageo monster is in place now.

And anyone who ever celebrated Arthur's day by spending at least a cent of their own money deserves a slap.

run_Forrest_run

Max Powers wrote: »

Just looking on the KK page and looks like they got some money to make the brewery there some sort of visitor attraction. Sounds good for KK, hopefully something will happen in Waterford City site.

KK are lucky with the location of the brewery, bang in the middle of the city/town/hamlet/whatever. Whereas the Waterford site isn't so central.

spankmemunkey

Roanmore wrote: »

Weren't Beamish taken over by Heineken and both Beamish and Murphy's brewed in the one location?

Eh permission to speak? I have to be careful not to be accused of anything.

As far as i remember the Beamish plant in cork was closed with the loss of jobs so its not brewed there anymore, thats what i saw on the news a few years ago.

I know if i was let go from a job who wanted to cut costs to make more profit for the small few at the top who are already rich, That i wouldnt go back and buy their product, Do you think the people in Waterford who lost their jobs in Talk Talk would buy products from Talk Talk? I dont think so! jeese why would they not do that?
Waterford is seriously being cripple by job loses and theres another place to close at the end of this month leaving more families on the bread line and looking for handouts from social welfare, the more jobs that go the harder it will be to find work, so excuse me if i think its a bad idea to support a company whos cutting jobs for their own financial gain when Waterford could so badly do with them. I know Diageo own alot of these brands but like the other posters say keep your money or spend it on the local beers who employ local families and are helping the local economy unlike Diageo.