Hunter shot and killed.

223vmax

http://news.sky.com/story/1075232/rabbit-hunter-shot-dead-in-tragic-accident

RIP.

Cass

A tragic accident. Sad news. My thoughts go out to his family, and the poor chap that was involved. Imagine what he is feeling now.

My Uncle lost his legs 30 years ago on almost the exact same thing. Crossing a gate with his Brother. His Brother tripped, fired the shotgun (both barrels), and hit my Uncle in both legs. They had to be amputated. One below the knee, and the other above.

It's a tragic way to remind us all to exercise the utmost of caution when shooting. Also DO NOT rely solely on a safety catch/switch. It is a mechanical component and can fail, so keep the finger off the trigger, and when crossing tricky gates, streams or any obstacles to unload the firearm, and then cross.

Johnny max

Sad news indeed
RIP

pheasntstalker

very sad indeed may he rest in peace.

aaakev

Thread title reads like he was murdered...

juice1304

Well I hope the lad that shot him never has a gun licence again:mad: RIP

aaakev

juice1304 wrote: »

Well I hope the lad that shot him never has a gun licence again:mad: RIP

Thats a bit harsh in fairness. The report said he triped behimd him and the gun went off, could happen to anyone. When i had my hmr i used to rely on the safety while walkin about and always had it loaded but i stopped this when i changed up to the 223 and now dont chamber a round till i want to shoot. The shotgun is always loaded when out, same as every other lad

juice1304

It's not harsh at all why was his finger near the trigger guard, why was there a round in the chamber, and his muzzle should have been nowhere near the other lad. When i go out and someone is with me if they are standing to my left i have the muzzle pointing to the ground and to the right if they are to my right i have it pointing to my left. There is no excuse for it what so ever.

aaakev

juice1304 wrote: »

It's not harsh at all why was his finger near the trigger guard, why was there a round in the chamber, and his muzzle should have been nowhere near the other lad. When i go out and someone is with me if they are standing to my left i have the muzzle pointing to the ground and to the right if they are to my right i have it pointing to my left. There is no excuse for it what so ever.

Your making alot of assumptions, how do you know he had his finger anywhere near the trigger? How do you know he had it pointing at his mate? You dont. For all we know at this moment he had the rifle slung over his shoulder and fell and the gun went off because something was not right.

Iv heard, as have we all, stories of guns going off after getting a knock because of a dodgy safety, i was in a gunshop not long ago and there was a pump action in that fored a round every time the pump was shoved forward hard

juice1304

Well i think it is safe to say he had a round in the chamber which he shouldn't have.

aaakev

juice1304 wrote: »

Well i think it is safe to say he had a round in the chamber which he shouldn't have.

Defo a round in the chamber alright but is that a reason not to let him have a licence again? I dont agree it is. Have you ever gone out with your gun loaded? If not with the rifle what about the shotgun?

Traumadoc

Every so often I get accidental gunshot injuries , although a lot fewer recently.

Most are simple pellets from shotguns, occasionally rifle to lower limb, one hand gun injury before the "ban".

snipe02

did they say it was a rifle?

juice1304

Thats interesting what part of the country do you work in? What has been the most severe you have seen?
I would imagine although the damage from a rifle would be horrendous that a shotgun could be more problematic like a pellet entering an artery or something. :eek:

marty555

Have to agree with aaakev. Accidents do happen. And as he clearly points out do you go out with a shot gun and it not loaded ? It's a really sad thing that has happened. And he might never want to shoot again. But what do you say to someone that has killed someone in a vehicle ! That they should never drive again ??

meathstevie

None of us know what happened in that field except that some poor chap got accidentally killed in an accident involving some type of hunting firearm. Gun handling should always be taken serious to avoid this kind of accidents.

Saying that one should never walk around with a round chambered in a gun is complete nonsense, fingers away from triggers unless you're about to shoot on the other hand is applicable to all guns in all situations.

hedzball

meathstevie wrote: »

None of us know what happened in that field except that some poor chap got accidentally killed in an accident involving some type of hunting firearm. Gun handling should always be taken serious to avoid this kind of accidents.

Saying that one should never walk around with a round chambered in a gun is complete nonsense, fingers away from triggers unless you're about to shoot on the other hand is applicable to all guns in all situations.

I'd rather have a round chambered with the bolt up then rush a bolt into the chamber upon seeing a shot.

Safety is a matter of opinion and we all have them. I always have the attitude of the gun should be in one piece if you can take the shot.. No excuse for a gun loaded over a gate shotgun or rifle. its a simple bolt up action cracked. No excuse for it.

Sad news alright but happens and so is life.

One shot on kill

hedzball wrote: »

I'd rather have a round chambered with the bolt up then rush a bolt into the chamber upon seeing a shot.

Safety is a matter of opinion and we all have them. I always have the attitude of the gun should be in one piece if you can take the shot.. No excuse for a gun loaded over a gate shotgun or rifle. its a simple bolt up action cracked. No excuse for it.

Sad news alright but happens and so is life.

Although I agree with you and what your saying. But safety is not a matter of opinion. Your either safe or not.

hedzball

One shot on kill wrote: »

Although I agree with you and what your saying. But safety is not a matter of opinion. Your either safe or not.

I was more implying what is safe to one is different to others.

Some lads think the bolt up isn't safe others do.

others think the safety on their grandfathers sxs is perfectly secure..

mack_

Where did this happen?

LIFFY FISHING

One shot on kill wrote: »

Although I agree with you and what your saying. But safety is not a matter of opinion. Your either safe or not.

+1 Firearm safety is NOT a matter of opinion, its a practice of Safety, accidents are caused they dont just happen, just because lads are shooting for years it doesent make them safe shooters.

One shot on kill

hedzball wrote: »

I was more implying what is safe to one is different to others.

Some lads think the bolt up isn't safe others do.

others think the safety on their grandfathers sxs is perfectly secure..

I don't really agree with you. Safe is safe no matter what way you look at it.

If you look at something and say its safe with the bolt up. Another lad looks at it and says close the bolt and leave the round in the magazine. Who's right and who's wrong. Or is this down to compinticy because no matter what way you look at it if you have a round in and the bolt up your one step closer to an accident if you fall.


And just to be clear I'm not implying your not safe or anything how would I know.

davediesel

I've seen too many lads crossing gates and ditches with rifles with rounds chambered, relying soley on the safety. stupid and dangerous :mad:

recipio

davediesel wrote: »

I've seen too many lads crossing gates and ditches with rifles with rounds chambered, relying soley on the safety. stupid and dangerous :mad:

Agree, and nothing makes me more mad than a gun leaning against a vehicle.Cease and desist please guys.

hedzball

One shot on kill wrote: »

I don't really agree with you. Safe is safe no matter what way you look at it.

If you look at something and say its safe with the bolt up. Another lad looks at it and says close the bolt and leave the round in the magazine. Who's right and who's wrong. Or is this down to compinticy because no matter what way you look at it if you have a round in and the bolt up your one step closer to an accident if you fall.


And just to be clear I'm not implying your not safe or anything how would I know.

That was the opinion I was implying...

Cass

Right or wrong i close the bolt on an empty chamber, flip the safety on, and then insert the loaded mag.

I chamber a round when going for a shot, and if i don't take it i open the bolt, put the round back into the mag, close the bolt again (on empty chamber), flick on safety, and then carry on.

One shot on kill

Cass wrote: »

Right or wrong i close the bolt on an empty chamber, flip the safety on, and then insert the loaded mag.

I chamber a round when going for a shot, and if i don't take it i open the bolt, put the round back into the mag, close the bolt again (on empty chamber), flick on safety, and then carry on.

That to me would be very competent. And leaving noting to chance.

Cass

I want to say that my post above is not what is expected, but from years of "conditioning" from being on a range.

When i first started hunting (before i ever done target shooting) i was much like everyone else. Safe, but with the "quick shot" always in mind. However from years of being on ranges and having to adhere to strict safety guidelines/rules, some of it brushed off on my hunting life to the extent i miss shots because i've the gun unloaded, the safety on, the bolt out, etc.

One time i stepped out go the jeep, got the gun out, and put a fecking breach flag in. :rolleyes:

aaakev

Cass wrote: »

Right or wrong i close the bolt on an empty chamber, flip the safety on, and then insert the loaded mag.

I chamber a round when going for a shot, and if i don't take it i open the bolt, put the round back into the mag, close the bolt again (on empty chamber), flick on safety, and then carry on.

Thats what i do with the rifle except for the safety on

LIFFY FISHING

Cass wrote: »

Right or wrong i close the bolt on an empty chamber, flip the safety on, and then insert the loaded mag.

I chamber a round when going for a shot, and if i don't take it i open the bolt, put the round back into the mag, close the bolt again (on empty chamber), flick on safety, and then carry on.

Thats exactly why I got my Remmy 700 converted to a box magazine , as it was the only way to do what you do, its a habbit I picked up with my .17hmr .

meathstevie

Maybe a bit of food for thought here lads, why not do a check on your gun every time you take it out of the safe when you go for a ramble and when you come home from a hunting trip.

Check that it's empty, check that there's no obstructions in the barrel(s). Close it again and check the safety catch which can only be done by squeezing the trigger after you've checked that the gun is empty. If the safety catch works at home it's very very likely that it will still be working a little while later when in the field.

That combined with no fingers near triggers unless you're about to fire and pointing the barrel in a safe direction ( teach yourself that the ground in front of your feet is the safest direction at all time as it works for rifle and shotgun )should keep you out of harms way. If you're climbing gates and fences make sure your gun is either unloaded and/or out of battery.

snipe02

what do you mean out of battery

Witcher

snipe02 wrote: »

what do you mean out of battery

Action open on a pump/semi auto.

meathstevie

snipe02 wrote: »

what do you mean out of battery

Having the gun in a way that the firing pin can't strike the primer in the cartridge..

juice1304

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rabbit-hunter-dies-after-gun-1817812
So there we are the media reported his friend shot him but it was his own firearm that killed him. I'd say he had it over his shoulder and caught the trigger on something. Terrible stuff altogether.

deeksofdoom

I was nearly shot myself this year when I brought a novice out shooting.

The pheasant got up in front of me and he fired from behind me, all i heard was bang, bang and he didn't hit the bird.

I couldn't sleep for a week after it.

juice1304

I almost had someone shoot me in the leg myself, I am mad paranoid with most people when i go out i can't keep my eyes off their muzzle.

6.5 tikka

thats awfull news i really feel for the to lads , how do we know the guy that got shot didnt hand the other guy the loaded gun ,
think if i did that to one of my mates or any other person , i`d give shooting up, very very sad