Cyclists on a Backroad

December2012

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

Eh, who are you? :pac: Not even going to bother replying to you, you clearly have some sort of agenda.

You also seem to lack the ability to read, cyclist, pedestrian, motorist, no one likes to be held up because of someone else's actions, and shouldn't have to change their behavior because someone else is hindering them.

And yet you did.

Crasp

Sauve wrote: »

It takes 30-60 seconds for you to overtake a bunch of cyclists appropriately and safely.

30-60 seconds.
Chill out like.

dunno what kind of back roads you're on! ever hear of a continuous white line? You could go for miles without a broken white line, or encounter oncoming traffic where one does exist.

Sauve wrote: »

Thats a deliberate cuntish move to ensure that car drivers overtake properly, as you would a car.

Otherwise, you get drivers trying to overtake in situations where there isnt enough space for a car and a bike.

fyp


if there's enough room on the road to overtake a cyclist within 30 seconds of meeting them, then this is unnecessary.

desertcircus

The same garbage comes up every time cyclists get discussed, so let's just lay down the basics and see if we can proceed from there.

1. Cycling two abreast is legal and recommended in order to prevent dangerous overtaking. Getting annoyed about it is the equivalent of yelling that you don't quite understand the rules of the road.

2. As motor tax in Ireland does not cover the cost of road spending, people without cars are effectively subsidising car owners, so moaning about bikes not being taxed is irrelevant nonsense. Not to mention the fact that any consistent calculation basis for bike tax would give an annual charge of about forty cent. Or that roads are funded from central taxation and any link to motor tax is tenuous at best.

3. There's no such thing as a right to overtake, no matter how much you want there to be.

seamus

I have never had a rider on a horse pull in to allow me pass in my car.

Therefore horse riders never do this.

Ms. Pingui

seamus wrote: »

I have never had a rider on a horse pull in to allow me pass in my car.

Therefore horse riders never do this.

Well then you're lucky that horse riders aren't all over every road holding people up.

Ray Palmer

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

When I ride my horses on the backroads by my house, I pull in to allow motorists pass. I don't expect people to drive along at horse pace behind me, why can't cyclists do the same?

The laws of physics. A cyclist has to put in extra excision to start off again. In a car or on a horse it makes no difference to you physically to slow and speed up that is not true for a cyclist. This seems to be the biggest issues people don't understand.

Go cycle 1 km with no stops and then do it again stopping and starting 5 times. You will soon realise which is more tiring and maybe understand.

Anyway cyclist commuting save drivers a lot of time. For the times you are slowed realise if the cyclists were all driving your journey would take much longer.

--Kaiser--

I've no problem with people who use bikes as transportation using back roads, but people who are cycling as some form of recreation, i.e. covered in spandex, carbon fibre bikes, head down so clearly not enjoying the scenery....well, they're basically putting themselves and other road users at risk for what is ultimately a stupid ****ing hobby

Ms. Pingui

Ray Palmer wrote: »

The laws of physics. A cyclist has to put in extra excision to start off again. In a car or on a horse it makes no difference to you physically to slow and speed up that is not true for a cyclist. This seems to be the biggest issues people don't understand.

Go cycle 1 km with no stops and then do it again stopping and starting 5 times. You will soon realise which is more tiring and maybe understand.

Anyway cyclist commuting save drivers a lot of time. For the times you are slowed realise if the cyclists were all driving your journey would take much longer.

Horses aren't machines?

hju6

Do cyclists remain 2 - 3 abreast on back roads when a Garda car is behind them ?

Corkfeen

hju6 wrote: »

Do cyclists remain 2 - 3 abreast on back roads when a Garda car is behind them ?

3 abreast is illegal but there's no legal issue with 2, in fact it is safer....

Macy0161

It's easier to pass a group riding 2 a breast than if they're in a single file line.

UnawareCaesar

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

I do dismount when neccessary.
It's not irrelevant, cyclists take up just as much room on the road as a horse, both move slowly so it's a fair comparrison.

Its more "hassle" for a moterist to be stuck behind someone slow for 20 mins than it is for you to unclip your pedals.

Come off it, you don't really think its the same thing passing a horse as a cyclist.

A horse is much slower and much more unpredictable which is why a person on a horse should pull over for the safety of themselves because you have to make the assumption the person in the car is an idiot just in case they are. A cyclist won't suddenly spook and cut across the whole road or rear up etc.

I don't think anyone has ever been stuck behind a cyclist for 20 minutes.

Ray Palmer

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

Horses aren't machines?

And you ask this question why?
No expert on horses but I am pretty sure it doesn't feel like your body doing the walking or running.

I am sure it takes some effort to gallop but we weren't talking about that now were we?

Ms. Pingui

UnawareCaesar wrote: »

Come off it, you don't really think its the same thing passing a horse as a cyclist.

A horse is much slower and much more unpredictable which is why a person on a horse should pull over for the safety of themselves because you have to make the assumption the person in the car is an idiot just in case they are. A cyclist won't suddenly spook and cut across the whole road or rear up etc.

I don't think anyone has ever been stuck behind a cyclist for 20 minutes.

I have, on backroads with no place to overtake.

VinLieger

Whatever about passing a cyclist going along the road normally my absolute pet hate is the ignorant assholes who cycle along with no hands on their handles as if they are some kind of cycling god. Whatever about cycling 2 abreast, letting people by etc, this is just dangerous and incredibly irresponsible.
Scares the bejesus out of me if i have to try pass them.

IM0

Macy0161 wrote: »

It's easier to pass a group riding 2 a breast than if they're in a single file line.

yup, or else cars need twice the amount of time to overtake them, which is probably alot less safe in addition to the ass handetry which has been dealt earlier on on the thread, about it being legal to cycle 2 a breast :P

Ms. Pingui

Ray Palmer wrote: »

And you ask this question why?
No expert on horses but I am pretty sure it doesn't feel like your body doing the walking or running.

I am sure it takes some effort to gallop but we weren't talking about that now were we?

It's more effort for the horse though. Anyway this is going way off topic!

Jawgap

I was accused of cycling two-abreast once.....

......I wish!!! - I was cycling to a picnic*

Cyclists are allowed used any roads, except motorways. They are allowed cycle two abreast (even to a picnic) - they actually have a stronger right to use the road than motorists as they don't need a licence for themselves or pay motor (not 'road') tax, and they don't need insurance, although it's advisable to have it.

More cyclists means fewer cars so if anything motorists should be encouraging rather than discouraging this activitiy to free up some road space.

If you get 'delayed' on your journey by cyclists or anything else then you have planned that journey poorly - try harder next time. Neither having more wheels than the thing in front of you, nor the possession of an internal combustion engine grants you any more rights than any other road user.

PS, wtf is 'spandex'


*with due acknowledgement to the Simpsons

desertcircus

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

I have, on backroads with no place to overtake.

Well, that unverified anecdote from an anonymous internet user has sold me. I'm off to burn my bike.

IM0

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

I have, on backroads with no place to overtake.

oh you mean like a tractor?

tough shit

them is the breaks :cool:

shedweller

Jawgap wrote: »

PS, wtf is 'spandex'


*with due acknowledgement to the Simpsons

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1920&bih=891&q=spandex&oq=spandex&gs_l=img.3..0l10.1148.2963.0.3194.7.7.0.0.0.0.210.994.1j4j2.7.0...0.0...1ac.1.8.img.sU3CF2APGpM#imgrc=_

heh.....spandex...

gobnaitolunacy

I must be one of the very few cyclists that use a bike as a form of transport, i.e. not part of the head down-arse up brigade covered in advertising space.

Ms. Pingui

desertcircus wrote: »

Well, that unverified anecdote from an anonymous internet user has sold me. I'm off to burn my bike.

One less bike on the road... NICE ONE! :cool:

Jawgap

shedweller wrote: »

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1920&bih=891&q=spandex&oq=spandex&gs_l=img.3..0l10.1148.2963.0.3194.7.7.0.0.0.0.210.994.1j4j2.7.0...0.0...1ac.1.8.img.sU3CF2APGpM#imgrc=_

heh.....spandex...

Yes, I know what it is - I was merely commenting on the use of an Americanism - this side of the pond, old boy, it's referred to as lycra.:D

shedweller

Jawgap wrote: »

Yes, I know what it is - I was merely commenting on the use of an Americanism - this side of the pond, old boy, it's referred to as lycra.:D

Yeah but googling spandex is more, interesting!

UnawareCaesar

Ms. Pingui wrote: »

It's more effort for the horse though. Anyway this is going way off topic!

The poor horse having to stop up, rest and then the huge effort it takes to start walking again.

Invalid point followed by this is off topic doesn't mean you win a debate.

NS77

El Spearo wrote: »

Well I do not object to cyclists using the road. By cyclists I mean people who do no drive, and this is their form of transport to get from a to b. But there are hundreds if not thousands of enthusiasts who are taking over the roads and making them notably more dangerous.

Eh? What danger do cyclists present? I think you'll find the danger is posed by reckless and impatient drivers....

December2012

IM0 wrote: »

oh you mean like a tractor?

tough shit

them is the breaks :cool:

Yeah fück tractors!

Jawgap

shedweller wrote: »

Yeah but googling spandex is more, interesting!

I agree - I tried googling 'lycra' and this popped up..... (it's ok for work!)

shedweller

Look, does anybody honestly think it's realistic to pull over and stop EVERY time a car comes up behind them?
Think about it for a minute and imagine how much of a complete pain in the hole it would be.

I encounter cyclists on back roads regularly enough and although it holds me up for maybe 30 seconds it's not a big deal.

I just cycle on by and there's no problem!