Just bought a house - need it painted.

Del Amitri

Hi,

We just bought a house in Firhouse.

1 Double Bedroom (with ensuite bathroom)
Another smaller Double bedroom
2 Small bedrooms
Upstairs Landing
Downstairs Hall with Small WC
Living Room
Dining Room
Kitchen
Utility Room

When we get the keys, before we move in, we're considering getting it painted (white/cream walls throughout with a feature wall in the "main" rooms (Living, Dining, one bedroom). We'd also want ceilings, skirting and doors done.

What I'm wondering is:

How much, and how long? (Considering the place will be 100% empty). Price should include paint. Getting the keys in May.

Thanks in advance.

Del Amitri

Just looking for a rough idea, by the way - not going to hold anyone to anything until they have seen the place.

michael999999

Del Amitri wrote: »

Just looking for a rough idea, by the way - not going to hold anyone to anything until they have seen the place.

Hard even to give a rough quote without knowing size of rooms, conditions of walls/woodwork, previous colurs on walls etc.

It will certainly be easier and cheaper to paint an empty house.

the_syco

Del Amitri wrote: »

1 Double Bedroom (with ensuite bathroom)
Another smaller Double bedroom
2 Small bedrooms
Upstairs Landing
Downstairs Hall with Small WC
Living Room
Dining Room
Kitchen
Utility Room

Without knowing the size of the rooms, if they're wallpapered or not, not many people will even be able to guesstimate a response.

byrybak

Around €2000 , roughly 4 days 2 painters

Doodoo

Del Amitri wrote: »

Hi,

We just bought a house in Firhouse.

1 Double Bedroom (with ensuite bathroom)
Another smaller Double bedroom
2 Small bedrooms
Upstairs Landing
Downstairs Hall with Small WC
Living Room
Dining Room
Kitchen
Utility Room

When we get the keys, before we move in, we're considering getting it painted (white/cream walls throughout with a feature wall in the "main" rooms (Living, Dining, one bedroom). We'd also want ceilings, skirting and doors done.

What I'm wondering is:

How much, and how long? (Considering the place will be 100% empty). Price should include paint. Getting the keys in May.

Thanks in advance.

I got my house (1340sq feet), that has furniture through out, painted. All walls(same colour), ceilings, doors, skirting, window boards and stairs for €900 excluding paint. He bought the paint(fleetwood) separate and got a 20% discount. It took him 9 days by himself. Couldn't believe i got it done so cheap, i was expecting twice that price. He done a good job too.

NIMAN

Probably able to do it for 900 cos he's also getting the dole?

fealeranger

NIMAN wrote: »

Probably able to do it for 900 cos he's also getting the dole?

That is what I was quoted when I painted my place, €100 per person per day. Some were looking for as low as €80 but I went for the painters who had the reputation. Changing times I'm afraid. I did also get quoted up to €3200 for my job. It took 2 people 5 days for finished ceiling upstairs and downstairs, double coat walls upstairs, no wood, and single coat all walls downstairs. This was a new build so they sanded and filled the walls where needed. Even the guys playing by the rules are charging this to compete with todays market demands.

byrybak

100 per day and u paid them in cash:-) insured and registered painter will charge u more.
Btw 5 days 2men to paint ceilings and walls no woodwork:) they took their time. One man would do it in 5 days :-)

fealeranger

byrybak wrote: »

100 per day and u paid them in cash:-) insured and registered painter will charge u more.
Btw 5 days 2men to paint ceilings and walls no woodwork:) they took their time. One man would do it in 5 days :-)

Paid by cheque:P:).

true

fealeranger wrote: »

That is what I was quoted when I painted my place, €100 per person per day. Some were looking for as low as €80 but I went for the painters who had the reputation. Changing times I'm afraid.

In south Dublin I got my house painted for 80 euro per day, but the painter was excellent and worked about 10 hours per day. A Polish painter, think he's gone back now for a few months as his mother is sick or something. Very neat worker, and hard woking too. Not great English so he did not chat too much ...maybe thats why he's gone back too.

johnty56

true wrote: »

In south Dublin I got my house painted for 80 euro per day, but the painter was excellent and worked about 10 hours per day. A Polish painter, think he's gone back now for a few months as his mother is sick or something. Very neat worker, and hard woking too. Not great English so he did not chat too much ...maybe thats why he's gone back too.

You were lucky, my folks got tiling done by a Polish guy, said he had done work in such and such building on Poland etc, but in the end a blind octagenarian shepard would have done a better job.

muffler

johnty56 wrote: »

in the end a blind octagenarian shepard would have done a better job.

In other words they were fleeced

ted1

I just got hall stairs landing , 2 bedrooms including woodwork and bathroom ceiling, front door all done for 350. Price included materials, walls were filled and smoothed. Very happy with the job done.
Had same guy tile a splash back and paint large kitchen for 195.

I would recommend him, PM me if you want his number .

ted1

NIMAN wrote: »

Probably able to do it for 900 cos he's also getting the dole?

Barrybak quoted 250 a day, the other guy is doing it for 100, dole is 188 a week. So if you think he is doing it cheap because of the diole. His daily rate is 137. Roughly 50% less than other guy.

MMAGirl

Just hot whole house in Dublin painted. Two men three days.
Skirtings ceilings walls doors , window frames etc.
All done for €900. Not inc paint.
Roughly €100 per room incl en-suites.
Excellent job.

We got all sorts of quotes ranging from €500 to €3500.
The 500 ones I didn't like the look of.
So called them all back that I liked and said €900 is what I am offering for the job. ALL of them agreed to do it for that. One dropped out when I made it clear I wanted a receipt and would not be paying cash hand.
After that it was just a matter Of picking best one for the job.



Same guy is coming to paint the exterior of the house in the summer.

michael999999

ted1 wrote: »

I just got hall stairs landing , 2 bedrooms including woodwork and bathroom ceiling, front door all done for 350. Price included materials, walls were filled and smoothed. Very happy with the job done.
Had same guy tile a splash back and paint large kitchen for 195.

I would recommend him, PM me if you want his number .

Another cash job I suppose?

hexosan

I'm sure this will cause offence to some people but lets be honest painting your average house is not a skilled trade. If you have two arms and a roller your pretty much qualified to paint. It's not the hardest thing to do. The rates that were charged is the boom were ridiculous (and some lads are still clinging to those times). I remember getting a lad to price painting a hall, very small bathroom ceiling and two bedrooms looking for €2200.
The only real need to hire someone to paint for you is if you work and can't possibly find the time to do it yourself.
People complaining that €100 a day is too cheap for a painter that's €500 a week for essentially unskilled labour. Now I know there's taxes to be paid out of that but there's many a person on the dole who would gladly work for that amount.

(Let the flaming/complaining begin)

ted1

michael999999 wrote: »

Another cash job I suppose?

yes I Paid cash, just as i do in Tesco, Aldi etc.

The painter has a registered company. leaflets with business name address, name, buisness name and detaisl proudly displayed on the side of the Van. and will have a stand at the ideal home exhibtion.so draw your own conclussions.

He turned up on sunday for 30 minutes, painted soem anti mould stuff on bathroom ceiling, a quick bit of filling.

came back monday after noon when it dried, did some painting and some sanding etc.

came back the following day and finsihed off the job.

so in all it was just under two days.

didn't take many breaks, put his head down and got on with the job.

ted1

hexosan wrote: »

I'm sure this will cause offence to some people but lets be honest painting your average house is not a skilled trade. If you have two arms and a roller your pretty much qualified to paint. It's not the hardest thing to do. The rates that were charged is the boom were ridiculous (and some lads are still clinging to those times). I remember getting a lad to price painting a hall, very small bathroom ceiling and two bedrooms looking for €2200.
The only real need to hire someone to paint for you is if you work and can't possibly find the time to do it yourself.
People complaining that €100 a day is too cheap for a painter that's €500 a week for essentially unskilled labour. Now I know there's taxes to be paid out of that but there's many a person on the dole who would gladly work for that amount.

(Let the flaming/complaining begin)

in the whole i do agree with you, but there is a clear difference to the job I do when i paint and the job a prefessional will do.

I'll paint the walls and try to keep with in the lines. a painter will smooth the walls, get a good line between walls and ceilings.

apply the corect anti mould base to bathrooms etc.

The biggest lesson i learnt from the painters over the years is to stay away from own brand paint and only use good trade paints.

hexosan

Low tack masking tape will achieve the same clean lines & most good paint stores or hardwares will advise on the correct paint for a particular job. It irks me when lads claim painting is some magical trade that only a chosen few are capable of doing. At the end of the day your rolling paint on a wall not painting a masterpiece on the ceiling of the sistine chapel.
I do believe in paying someone a fair price for a fair days work, everyone is intitled to that. I just have no time for lads that hype up their ability to screw people who are not in the know out of their money.

byrybak

ted1 wrote: »

Barrybak quoted 250 a day, the other guy is doing it for 100, dole is 188 a week. So if you think he is doing it cheap because of the diole. His daily rate is 137. Roughly 50% less than other guy.

I didn't quote it first of all I just estimated the cost.
Explain u why I said around 2000:
Materials- 400 good quality paint ,filler, flexible filler, sand paper etc
Vat- 250
Labour- 160/day x8 days =1280
Total-1930

tax on that job around 250euro.
Qualified painter is entitled to 16euro / hour.


I don't know were u got 250 from

byrybak

I'm not trying to have a go with anyone but please realise one thing if u paying painter 100/day after all costs that he has he is left with around 60 in his hand and that is his real daily rate not 100 that u paying him.

ted1

byrybak wrote: »

I didn't quote it first of all I just estimated the cost.
Explain u why I said around 2000:
Materials- 400 good quality paint ,filler, flexible filler, sand paper etc
Vat- 250
Labour- 160/day x8 days =1280
Total-1930

tax on that job around 250euro.
Qualified painter is entitled to 16euro / hour.


I don't know were u got 250 from

My mistake I thought you were just talking the labour price

true

ted1 wrote: »

Barrybak quoted 250 a day, the other guy is doing it for 100, dole is 188 a week. So if you think he is doing it cheap because of the diole. His daily rate is 137. Roughly 50% less than other guy.

€250 a day still seems like celtic tiger price. If I was on the dole ( here at €188 a week, or just north of the border for half that ) I'd be happy to work here for 80 euro a day, as that would still be a lot more than the dole.
I know managers in restaurants and shops working for that, and glad to get it as the alternative is not to get it. If you were self employed and therefore not entitled to the dole ( eg if your partner was working or you had a house ) you'd be glad to get a tenner an hour too if the alternative was to get nothing. Of course nobody likes but work for s*** wages when some people in the country are still in secure well paid jobs but thats life / ireland 1913 for ya.

byrybak

true wrote: »

€250 a day still seems like celtic tiger price. If I was on the dole ( here at €188 a week, or just north of the border for half that ) I'd be happy to work here for 80 euro a day, as that would still be a lot more than the dole.
I know managers in restaurants and shops working for that, and glad to get it as the alternative is not to get it. If you were self employed and therefore not entitled to the dole ( eg if your partner was working or you had a house ) you'd be glad to get a tenner an hour too if the alternative was to get nothing. Of course nobody likes but work for s*** wages when some people in the country are still in secure well paid jobs but thats life / ireland 1913 for ya.

U should read all posts first , no one is charging 250 a day

MMAGirl

byrybak wrote: »

U should read all posts first , no one is charging 250 a day

I got a good few quotes that were a lot more than €250 a day.

cardwizzard

hexosan wrote: »

I'm sure this will cause offence to some people but lets be honest painting your average house is not a skilled trade. If you have two arms and a roller your pretty much qualified to paint. It's not the hardest thing to do. The rates that were charged is the boom were ridiculous (and some lads are still clinging to those times). I remember getting a lad to price painting a hall, very small bathroom ceiling and two bedrooms looking for €2200.
The only real need to hire someone to paint for you is if you work and can't possibly find the time to do it yourself.
People complaining that €100 a day is too cheap for a painter that's €500 a week for essentially unskilled labour. Now I know there's taxes to be paid out of that but there's many a person on the dole who would gladly work for that amount.

(Let the flaming/complaining begin)

Some people eat at McDonalds some eat at fancy resturants.

If you can't understand the stand the difference between a quality paint job, and a DIY one, or simply don't care thats fair enough.

But to paint all painters with the one brush;) is slanderous. It's pretty simple really, all business owners should know their market and their margins. If people don't want to pay it, get different customers.

Simples.

michael999999

MMAGirl wrote: »

I got a good few quotes that were a lot more than €250 a day.

Can you post pics of them quotes please?

hexosan

cardwizzard wrote: »

Some people eat at McDonalds some eat at fancy resturants.

If you can't understand the stand the difference between a quality paint job, and a DIY one, or simply don't care thats fair enough.

But to paint all painters with the one brush;) is slanderous. It's pretty simple really, all business owners should know their market and their margins. If people don't want to pay it, get different customers.

Simples.

To start very good pun

I can completely see the difference, there are good and bad in all walks of life. but the problem is the vast majority of painters I've come in contact with were lads that were handy at painting a few rooms then along came the Celtic tiger and the housing boom, these handy lads bought a van and stuck a logo on the side and hey presto there were "professional" painters. (Same could be said for some builders)

Like I said they isn't a real difference between DIY painting your standard house and hiring a painter to do it for you. I've been in plenty of homes where the owner done the painting (and I'm a stickler for detail) where you wouldn't tell the difference, the home owner isn't pretending to be anything their not. A small bit of patience and a steady hand go along way.

On the other hand I've seen many a professional job done by an alleged professional that was just disgraceful, a prefect example, professional painter comes in paints the place (new build) everything looks good then home owner moves in and for some reason none of the ceiling lights work. On investigation the "professional" had forgot or was just too lazy to cover the bulb holders and sprayed the contacts. All had to be removed and cleaned.

Painting period properties or conservation work then I agree its time to get the professional in provided they can supply references and show their qualifications

Don't take this as I'm having a go at all painters, if someone is truly a professional well and good(there's a place for them and a particular type of work) but most painter (lads in vans) claim to be but can't back anything up, yet are the first to tear your head off when you point it out.

Poor Uncle Tom

michael999999 wrote: »

Can you post pics of them quotes please?

Stop the bickering please, we all know you can get vastly different quotes for the same job. Lots of people will quote high for some jobs if they have any amount of work on hand, in the hopes that they get it but not being too bothered if they don't.

michael999999

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Stop the bickering please, we all know you can get vastly different quotes for the same job. Lots of people will quote high for some jobs if they have any amount of work on hand, in the hopes that they get it but not being too bothered if they don't.

I have not been bickering, I'm interested to see how there quotes break down for labour and materials if they are charging her 250 a day.

MMAGirl

michael999999 wrote: »

I have not been bickering, I'm interested to see how there quotes break down for labour and materials if they are charging her 250 a day.

Why would anybody go through scanning and posting pics of their quotes they probably threw out or have filed away? I certainly dumped any quotes I had that I considered too high. Why would I keep them. I have a receipt in my files from the job that was done and so that I can keep the contact details of the guy to call again. But I wouldnt waste my time posting it for you.
The only person who has a problem with these prices are people who will tell you what another guy WONT do, even though they dont even know what the other guy is doing.

Why not get your house painted and ask different painters to quote you and detail what they will be doing, then bargain with them and see how you do.
Much better than asking everyone else to help you out. You'll see first hand and you may even get the info you need to be competitive if you are in the same business.

muffler

michael999999 wrote: »

Can you post pics of them quotes please?

No, Im sorry but we dont want to see the actual quotes posted here



Edit/ didnt know we were on another page but I see my co-mod has this point more or less covered especially about the bickering. Be careful here folks.


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cardwizzard

Pricing of a job for any contractor is pretty simple. It doesn't matter what the other lads are pricing or the current going rate.

4 basic parts. Labour, materials, overhead and profit.

Overhead, each individual company is different, advertising, rent, insurance, vans etc etc. Without knowing these numbers its impossible to price a job correctly.

Profit, again every contractor is different. Some want to grow at different levels, some just trying to get by.

Of course excellent workers are paramount, no messing(within reason) and an ability to do the work correctly and properly every time.

Add the cost of materials( we add 15% for sourcing), or some customers may want to do this.

These are the factors that I work off. Its not brain surgery, but its not a guess either. Which seems to be why people get a huge variance in the quote stage.

dory

Anyone who thinks painting is not a skilled job should come see the mess I made of my house!

I need to get the outside of my house painted. Will definitely be going for a professional. 100 euro a day seems fair enough.

ted1

cardwizzard wrote: »

Pricing of a job for any contractor is pretty simple. It doesn't matter what the other lads are pricing or the current going rate.

4 basic parts. Labour, materials, overhead and profit.

Overhead, each individual company is different, advertising, rent, insurance, vans etc etc. Without knowing these numbers its impossible to price a job correctly.

Profit, again every contractor is different. Some want to grow at different levels, some just trying to get by.

Of course excellent workers are paramount, no messing(within reason) and an ability to do the work correctly and properly every time.

Add the cost of materials( we add 15% for sourcing), or some customers may want to do this.

These are the factors that I work off. Its not brain surgery, but its not a guess either. Which seems to be why people get a huge variance in the quote stage.

Is that 15% on top of the discounted trade price you pay or on top if the RRP?

cardwizzard

ted1 wrote: »

Is that 15% on top of the discounted trade price you pay or on top if the RRP?

The 15% additional for paint and sundries is on top of what I pay for it.

Eg if I pay €200 the cost to the customer is €230.

ted1

So i persume that its still cheaper for them to get it via you , as you would be getting at much cheaper rates than them.

cardwizzard

Sometimes it is, in fact most times it is. But I don't work for free so if I have to pay full RRP they pay 15% on top. It's all clearly stated in the contract so no surprises afterwards. Communication is key.

Leiva

I will be moving into my 3rd house in May and I will be paying for someone to paint both interior and exterior.

I'm more than capable of doing it myself which I did when I was a first time buyer, and again on my second purchase, but this time around I am very time poor and with two little feet running around I think it would be best to get someone in before the furniture to complete all painting.

I will be paying a guy apporox €100 (ex materials) a day but also a max amount of days factored in.

So it really boils down to everyone's situation and seen the mad days of ridiculous pricing are gone they why not take advantage and give someone else the cash.

PhilMcGee

true wrote: »

In south Dublin I got my house painted for 80 euro per day, but the painter was excellent and worked about 10 hours per day. A Polish painter, think he's gone back now for a few months as his mother is sick or something. Very neat worker, and hard woking too. Not great English so he did not chat too much ...maybe thats why he's gone back too.

Im just a lurker usually, but I signed up to see if I can get some painters numbers. Any change you can PM me your guys number?