The seven social classes

conorhal

fishy fishy wrote: »

ever hear the saying "divide and conquer"

there is no such thing as Class -there is only levels of greed. but lets put the "class" labels on, so the greedier can get richer.

I'm guessing that post makes you... Emergent service workers - a new, young, urban group which is relatively poor but has high social and cultural capital


And stop posting to Boards 'from your iPhone' and get me my bloody latte already, your 2.1 in Sociology is the reason you work in Starbucks in the first place!

Larbre34

I'd go along with there being 6 of those classes in Ireland, and not just Dublin either.

The reason there are not 7 is we don't have an 'Elite'. You hear the term bandied about to describe anyone who is out to 'screw the common man, deprive the PAYE worker', however when you talk about politicians or bankers or developers or professionals like consultants or barristers, in reality they are at best members of an established middle class.

In the UK, or at least in London, the Elite are properly that. Long standing aristocratic families with massive land holdings, offshore arab royalty, oil and commodities billionaires, mega-industrialists and oligarchs. Hugely and independently cash and asset rich.

In Ireland, even the wealth of the most noted entrepreneurs and developers was all notional - figures on a balance sheet, the bank owned it, now we own it as the house of cards came tumbling down. There are perhaps 4 or 5 people or families on this island that could produce at will the kind of liquidity of the London Elite, and thats not a class, its a statisical margin of error!

Aren't you glad we live in such an equal society!!

jonnyfingers

According to the survey I'm in the Elite class. I can tell you now that I'm don't consider myself in the elite class so I don't have too much faith in the survey. Way too much weighting on salary and the profession of the friends you keep.

Ray Palmer

Larbre34 wrote: »

I'd go along with there being 6 of those classes in Ireland, and not just Dublin either.

The reason there are not 7 is we don't have an 'Elite'. You hear the term bandied about to describe anyone who is out to 'screw the common man, deprive the PAYE worker', however when you talk about politicians or bankers or developers or professionals like consultants or barristers, in reality they are at best members of an established middle class.

In the UK, or at least in London, the Elite are properly that. Long standing aristocratic families with massive land holdings, offshore arab royalty, oil and commodities billionaires, mega-industrialists and oligarchs. Hugely and independently cash and asset rich.

In Ireland, even the wealth of the most noted entrepreneurs and developers was all notional - figures on a balance sheet, the bank owned it, now we own it as the house of cards came tumbling down. There are perhaps 4 or 5 people or families on this island that could produce at will the kind of liquidity of the London Elite, and thats not a class, its a statisical margin of error!

Aren't you glad we live in such an equal society!!

We have an elite class. There are many families with a long history of wealth combined with education and social standing. 3rd and fourth generation barristers exist along with politicians. It isn't a massive crowd but it is there.

From looking around you can see Ireland is relatively flat when it comes to class. Most people can move up or down from where they started. In my class from school there are criminals, politicians, bank mangers, junkies, laborers etc... Not everything is closed off but for some groups things are much more difficult to move up but then again it is also hard to fall out of the group they grew in due to family money.

I know a couple who were going out for years as teenagers. He went on to be a bank manager in a nice area and she went on to be a single mother living in Ballymun. They were pretty much from the same back ground. You can argue if one is more successful than the other if you like but they are pretty much at the end of the extremes.

Latchy

The class of 78 were a fine bunch of lads ....great year for the wine to .

Brussels Sprout

I did the survey twice with all the same info except for my living arrangements. In one I said I rented, in the other I said that I had a house valued at 152/250k. In the first instance it put me as emergent service worker, in the second it placed me as established middle class.

That seems massively flawed given the amount of people in negative equity at the moment

pickarooney

Ray Palmer wrote: »

I know a couple who were going out for years as teenagers. He went on to be a bank manager in a nice area and she went on to be a single mother living in Ballymun. They were pretty much from the same back ground. You can argue if one is more successful than the other if you like but they are pretty much at the end of the extremes.

Well we certainly have a snob class...

BillyMitchel

I see some have said that there is no elite class in Ireland. Would the Smurfit family not be considered elite?

Truncheon Rouge

7 different classes of people who are invariably fcked in the end anyway.

Latchy

Truncheon Rouge wrote: »

7 different classes of people who are invariably fcked in the end anyway.

Taking it up the ass will be a lot harder for some more than others to.

steddyeddy

I never trust this stuff, we need more classes. I am in college with people of all social distinctions. Its useless to me. We used to divide people by race until science proved there is no such thing now we have another system in place to grade things.

IM0

that is one of the most retarded set of biast questions I have ever seen. on the test someone linked to after the OP :rolleyes:

coffee_cake

Where's the survey?

Airitech

bluewolf wrote: »

Where's the survey?

Here's a link:
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22000973

There is a link in the last line of the OP, took me about 10 minutes to find it.

Airitech

I'm established middle class. Well that's not accurate anyway, my job couldn't be any more blue collar.

coffee_cake

Emergent service workers for renting, true

Established middle class if I owned a house
lol

steddyeddy

bluewolf wrote: »

Emergent service workers for renting, true

Established middle class if I owned a house
lol

In fairness every other description of middle class could be described as lol.

steddyeddy

As regards elite classes, if they exist would include wealthy academics or self made millionares.

K-9

token101 wrote: »

Traditional working class - scores low on all forms of capital, but is not completely deprived. Its members have reasonably high house values, explained by this group having the oldest average age at 66

It's very British, that one above would be very Thatcher and people buying council houses in the early 80's. Same happened here too I suppose.

We've had a much more severe property crash so our version shouldn't be as reliant on property.

@steddyeddy, I wouldn't see self made millionaires as the elite, talented and often lucky maybe, but not an established elite. Political dynasties are probably closer here, whether that be FF or FG. Even fortunes built up by the Smurfit's or O'Reilly's of this world can get eaten away.

Going to a private school, D4 probably, plays rugby, the old boys network will love you, that would be our nearest to Oxford, the Bullingdon club, Cameron, Boris and the other Tory toffs.

PhlegmyMoses

Technical middle class based purely on earnings, I reckon. The survey is too narrow anyway.

Capt'n Midnight

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22000973 online The Great British class calculator

Turns out I was a different class before the recession :pac:

FloatingVoter

Turns out I'm traditional working class. If I tell a fib and raise my earnings to €100k+ I'm elite. Must look for that raise (and a job to get one in).

fishy fishy

conorhal wrote: »

I'm guessing that post makes you... Emergent service workers - a new, young, urban group which is relatively poor but has high social and cultural capital


And stop posting to Boards 'from your iPhone' and get me my bloody latte already, your 2.1 in Sociology is the reason you work in Starbucks in the first place!

don't give up your day job. :rolleyes:

HowAreWe

so I'm part of New affluent workers, cool.

Shenshen

bluewolf wrote: »

Emergent service workers for renting, true

Established middle class if I owned a house
lol

Meh, I own one and the test put me in a "Precariat"... not sure why, though.
If you had asked me, I would have said Established Middle Class, everyone in my family having university degrees and not short of money.

Having played around with it, it looks like it doesn't matter one fib what you enter for the last couple of categories, all it seems to take into account is how much money you've got.

fishy fishy

Shenshen wrote: »

Meh, I own one and the test put me in a "Precariat"... not sure why, though.
If you had asked me, I would have said Established Middle Class, everyone in my family having university degrees and not short of money.

Having played around with it, it looks like it doesn't matter one fib what you enter for the last couple of categories, all it seems to take into account is how much money you've got.

as I said, there is no such thing as "classes" -its all about greed and more greed.

brummytom

That survey said my family and I are 'established middle class'. My arse are we.

steddyeddy

To be honest I would associate middle class ect with a certain attitude rather than a defined income or area of birth. That token me makes more sense.

Czarcasm

That "survey" is a load of shíte!

Result: the class group you most closely match is:



Elite


This is the wealthiest and most privileged group in the UK. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group:

• Enjoy high cultural activities such as visiting museums and listening to classical music
• Went to private school and elite universities
• Socialise with people who do a wide variety of jobs

The first one about visiting museums and galleries, sure anybody can do that as most galleries are free entrance or only a couple of euro, and I like to give my child an education outside the school curriculum, and the theatre or a concert performance costs less than a trip to the cinema! Appreciation of the Arts is an accessible activity no matter where you are on the social spectrum.

The second one, the closest I got to a private school was a couple of lads I played rugby with. Never went to an elite university either, third level education was college and universtity alright, but not UCD or Trinity.

Third one well I never gave a shíte what anyone does for a living or their social background anyway, you'll meet decent people and pricks in every walk of life, no matter what their occupation, or lack thereof.

I don't get how they quantified that survey at all tbh.

ToddyDoody

I saved this article in my favourites on my phone, such was my level of interest. Next time I go out to a bar and sit staring at everyone I might try and guess the people's different social cast.