Who has an IRFU contract?

FrannoFan

I see from the Leinster press release that some players are on Leinster contracts while others are on IRFU contracts.
1)Healy
3)ross
15)Rob Kearney

are the only three in that announcement.Cronin,strauss are not. assuming Best is on national hooker does that mean we only have 1 contracted nationally?
Toner and McCarthy aren't either. assume Ryan has one, is POC the other?
McFadden and Luke both featured in this years 6 nations and they haven't got one either.


Read IRFU had cut back on international contracts but they really seem to have cut it back to around 15 from the looks of things.Puts pressure on the provinces financially i would imagine.
Anyone know who else has them? D'arcy BOD would both have to have one i imagine.

LUPE

BOD
POC
Darcy
Trimble
ROG
Heaslip
SOB
Toner
Best
Bowe
Zebo
Ruddock

think that's it

opinionatedfan

Healy(2016)

Ross(2015)
POM(2015)
Kearney(2015)
Trimble(2015)
Bowe(2015)

Best(2014)
POC(2014)
DOC(2014)
Ryan(2014)
Heaslip(2014)
Darcy(2014)
Earls(2014)

Ferris(2013)
BOD(2013)
Wallace(2013)
ROG(2013)

Probably missing one or two.

SOB has turned down a central contract already afaik. Zebo and Earls are on Munster contracts. Toner on a Leinster one.

TheKeenMachine

FrannoFan wrote: »

I see from the Leinster press release that some players are on Leinster contracts while others are on IRFU contracts.
1)Healy
3)ross
15)Rob Kearney

are the only three in that announcement.Cronin,strauss are not. assuming Best is on national hooker does that mean we only have 1 contracted nationally?
Toner and McCarthy aren't either. assume Ryan has one, is POC the other?
McFadden and Luke both featured in this years 6 nations and they haven't got one either.


Read IRFU had cut back on international contracts but they really seem to have cut it back to around 15 from the looks of things.Puts pressure on the provinces financially i would imagine.
Anyone know who else has them? D'arcy BOD would both have to have one i imagine.

POM definitely has one, I think ROG is on one, Bowe has one as well AFAIK.

trouttrout

LUPE wrote: »

BOD
POC
Darcy
Trimble
ROG
Heaslip
SOB
Toner
Best
Bowe
Zebo
Ruddock

think that's it

Don't think any of them have central contracts

thomond2006

Zebo doesn't, he signed a three year provincial contract with Munster.

Trimble signed a two year national contract a few weeks ago.

Ruddock surely doesn't have one?

TheKeenMachine

LUPE wrote: »

BOD
POC
Darcy
Trimble
ROG
Heaslip
SOB
Toner
Best
Bowe
Zebo
Ruddock

think that's it

Ruddock? Toner? Really? That's fairly surprising seeing as neither are guaranteed to start for Leinster.

irishbucsfan

Ruddock and Toner are not on IRFU deals.

trouttrout

Didn't know Trimbles contract was a national one. Bit strange considering he's fairly back in the pecking order

LUPE

Forgot POM, James Downey and Isaac Boss

molloyjh

trouttrout wrote: »

Didn't know Trimbles contract was a national one. Bit strange considering he's fairly back in the pecking order

Yeah it was announced during the 6 Nations when he wasn't even being selected in the squad. Very strange...

trouttrout

LUPE wrote: »

Forgot POM, James Downey and Isaac Boss

They def don't have central contracts! I think you need to check your facts!

irishbucsfan

LUPE wrote: »

Forgot POM, James Downey and Isaac Boss

Downey and Boss are not on central contracts.

Downey is finishing the first of a 2 year Munster contract. Boss finishing the first of a 2 year Leinster contract.

opinionatedfan

LUPE wrote: »

Forgot POM, James Downey and Isaac Boss

you have no idea what your talking about.

molloyjh

LUPE wrote: »

Forgot POM, James Downey and Isaac Boss

What!? Downey and Boss? Are you sure? Boss is as bad as Trimble, but Downey makes absolutely no sense. He's nowhere remotely near the Irish squad.

It does all beg the question though about how they make the call on who gets them and why.

EDIT: Just saw the responses.

FrannoFan

Trimble has fallen right down the pecking order, so has DOC

Wallace and ROG surely won't get renewed for next season

Ferris is clearly in negotiations-thus the Japan rumour

Hard to believe POM gets one and SOB doesn't. european player of the year and likely lions tourist. POM lucky to be in and only there due to Ferris injury.

You would wonder how these negotiations/recommendations take place.
Like i'm not a murray fan but he is our best 9 and surely deserves a contract

molloyjh

FrannoFan wrote: »

Trimble has fallen right down the pecking order, so has DOC

Wallace and ROG surely won't get renewed for next season

Ferris is clearly in negotiations-thus the Japan rumour

Hard to believe POM gets one and SOB doesn't. european player of the year and likely lions tourist. POM lucky to be in and only there due to Ferris injury.

You would wonder how these negotiations/recommendations take place.
Like i'm not a murray fan but he is our best 9 and surely deserves a contract

SOB was offered one but turned it down apparently.

molloyjh

FrannoFan wrote: »

Trimble has fallen right down the pecking order, so has DOC

Wallace and ROG surely won't get renewed for next season

Ferris is clearly in negotiations-thus the Japan rumour

Hard to believe POM gets one and SOB doesn't. european player of the year and likely lions tourist. POM lucky to be in and only there due to Ferris injury.

You would wonder how these negotiations/recommendations take place.
Like i'm not a murray fan but he is our best 9 and surely deserves a contract

SOB was offered one but turned it down apparently.

TheKeenMachine

FrannoFan wrote: »

Trimble has fallen right down the pecking order, so has DOC

Wallace and ROG surely won't get renewed for next season

Ferris is clearly in negotiations-thus the Japan rumour

Hard to believe POM gets one and SOB doesn't. european player of the year and likely lions tourist. POM lucky to be in and only there due to Ferris injury.

You would wonder how these negotiations/recommendations take place.
Like i'm not a murray fan but he is our best 9 and surely deserves a contract

SOB was offered a central contract but he turned it down. I'd say Murray will be offered a central contract when his current deal ends.

LUPE

opinionatedfan wrote: »

you have no idea what your talking about.

opinionatedfan

LUPE wrote: »

you are still clueless.

P.Walnuts

I thought Earls had one?

the baby bull elephant

A number of those need to be cut from them.

opinionatedfan

P.Walnuts wrote: »

I thought Earls had one?

Nope.

Contract up next year with Munster though.

LUPE

opinionatedfan wrote: »

you are still clueless.

Reported.

Dravokivich

LUPE wrote: »

Reported.

does he really need to tap up the second half of his comment?

You were just throwing out names of players willy nilly.

There is no way a lot of the people on your list are on central contracts and you continued to include more.

This is all he is referring to by stating "Clueless."

P.Walnuts

Healy(2016)

Ross(2015)
POM(2015)
Kearney(2015)
Trimble(2015)
Bowe(2015)

Best(2014)
POC(2014)
DOC(2014)
Ryan(2014)
Heaslip(2014)
Darcy(2014)

Ferris(2013) ??
BOD(2013) ??
Wallace(2013)
ROG(2013)

If thats the correct list thats the 4 that are most likely going to be cut. Huge doubt over BOD and Ferris too...

So lets say 6 contracts not renewed (asuming they are keeping the same number of central contracts)

I'd like to see

Zebo
SOB (whether he wants to or not)
Marshall
Henderson
Gilroy/Earls (maybe both)

Edit : Murray

signed up

opinionatedfan

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Healy(2016)

Ross(2015)
POM(2015)
Kearney(2015)
Trimble(2015)
Bowe(2015)

Best(2014)
POC(2014)
DOC(2014)
Ryan(2014)
Heaslip(2014)
Darcy(2014)

Ferris(2013) ??
BOD(2013) ??
Wallace(2013)
ROG(2013)

If thats the correct list thats the 4 that are most likely going to be cut. Huge doubt over BOD and Ferris too...

So lets say 6 contracts not renewed (asuming they are keeping the same number of central contracts)

I'd like to see

Zebo
SOB (whether he wants to or not)
Marshall
Henderson
Gilroy/Earls (maybe both)

signed up

I think Zebo is contracted until 2016 with Munster.

P.Walnuts

opinionatedfan wrote: »

I think Zebo is contracted until 2016 with Munster.

Hmm

Can't think of many more who would be in line for one then, barring renewls.

FrannoFan

Summary:
LH:Healy
Hooker:Best
TH:Ross
2nd row:POC/DOC/Ryan
BR: POM/Heaslip/Ferris

SH: none
OH: ROG
Centre: Wallace,BOD, D'Arcy

Wing: Trimble, Bowe
FB: Kearney

you would hope some restructuring takes place looking at this. Trimble getting a 2 year deal looks bizarre in these circumstances

Deano7788

I thought Earls signed a central contract at the same time as Leamy did back in 2012.

opinionatedfan

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Hmm

Can't think of many more who would be in line for one then, barring renewls.

I'd agree with Henderson and Marshall getting ones as soon as they are due to renew. Both will be fixtures in the Irish side for the next decade barring injury. Henderson's is up in 2015, not sure about Marshall.

Gilroy i'm not sure about, lots of depth at wing. His contract is until 2016 aswell.

opinionatedfan

Deano7788 wrote: »

I thought Earls signed a central contract at the same time as Leamy did back in 2012.

yeah your right.

2 year deal, contract up in 2014.

P.Walnuts

opinionatedfan wrote: »

I'd agree with Henderson and Marshall getting ones as soon as they are due to renew. Both will be fixtures in the Irish side for the next decade barring injury. Henderson's is up in 2015, not sure about Marshall.

Gilroy i'm not sure about, lots of depth at wing. His contract is until 2016 aswell.

Ye Gilroy is debateable alright, I was just assuming if they were renewing central contracts tomorrow and guys were free to sign who would get one.

I edited my first post, I suppose Murray would be up there for one aswell now.

.ak

LUPE wrote: »

Don't be a grammar nazi.

opinionatedfan wrote: »

you are still clueless.

Keep it civil, please.

CIARAN_BOYLE

2013 Ferris BOD Wallace ROG Sexton
2014 Darcy Heaslip Ryan DOC POC Best Court Earls``
2015 Ross POM Kearney Trimble Bowe
2016 Healy

By my count the above is the current situation

bilston

My guess is that Trimble got one because Gilroy and Zebo are on provincial contracts until 2016. Not saying it's right but maybe the IRFU thought they had one spare so lets use it to keep Trimble in Ireland.

boardieboardie

What practical difference does it make whether a player is on a central or provincial contract? Say for someone like Sean O'Brien who's a guaranteed starter for both Ireland and Leinster anyway?

Deano7788

boardieboardie wrote: »

What practical difference does it make whether a player is on a central or provincial contract? Say for someone like Sean O'Brien who's a guaranteed starter for both Ireland and Leinster anyway?

From what I understand, provincial contract players basically would get a smaller salary but appearance fees for Ireland, while central ones would have a larger salary but no appearance fee.

FrannoFan

Deano7788 wrote: »

From what I understand, provincial contract players basically would get a smaller salary but appearance fees for Ireland, while central ones would have a larger salary but no appearance fee.

if a player is on an IRFU contract the province doesn't have to play anything for his services. hugely advantageous to have players on these contracts.

So when Leinster lose Johnny Sexton and have to pay out for the likes of Jimmy Gopperth it hits them financially doubly.

Deano7788

FrannoFan wrote: »

if a player is on an IRFU contract the province doesn't have to play anything for his services. hugely advantageous to have players on these contracts.

So when Leinster lose Johnny Sexton and have to pay out for the likes of Jimmy Gopperth it hits them financially doubly.

Sorry, that as well, I just mean't from the player's viewpoint.

Benny Cake

Deano7788 wrote: »

From what I understand, provincial contract players basically would get a smaller salary but appearance fees for Ireland, while central ones would have a larger salary but no appearance fee.

Can't understand how SOB would turn down a central contract in favour of a provincial one. Is that fact or just hearsay?

TheGoldenAges

Was Sexton not on one till this summer?

mohawk

Murray's current contract is up at end of this season and I haven't seen anywhere that he has signed a new deal. I wonder if it will be another Munster one or if it will be a central one when he signs.
I read somewhere that the IRFU where cutting down o the amount of central contracts.

Deano7788

Benny Cake wrote: »

Can't understand how SOB would turn down a central contract in favour of a provincial one. Is that fact or just hearsay?

It's true. I think I remember Darcy saying he made more when he was dropped to a provincial contract due to appearance fees as he was still playing every match. Maybe something like that is the reason SOB turned it down. It sounds weird alright.

Mahatma Geansai

mohawk wrote: »

Murray's current contract is up at end of this season and I haven't seen anywhere that he has signed a new deal. I wonder if it will be another Munster one or if it will be a central one when he signs.
I read somewhere that the IRFU where cutting down o the amount of central contracts.

You'd think that Murray would get one. He's one of the few players who has no real competitor for his jersey.

Benny Cake

Deano7788 wrote: »

It's true. I think I remember Darcy saying he made more when he was dropped to a provincial contract due to appearance fees as he was still playing every match. Maybe something like that is the reason SOB turned it down. It sounds weird alright.

Seems like a big risk. If you get hurt, and miss out on the Irish games it would be a big loss...

FrannoFan

Benny Cake wrote: »

Seems like a big risk. If you get hurt, and miss out on the Irish games it would be a big loss...

i thought SOB was on a leinster contract because 2 years ago when he was out of contract (and Wallace was ahead of him ireland wise) leinster tied him down to a longer contract. assume he would go up onto IRFU contract when that expires.
Would assume the IRFU deals pay better than provincial contract.

irishbucsfan

If Trimble is getting paid by the IRFU, then does that mean he is paid in the Republic of Ireland? And does that mean he gets the tax break?

That whole thing confuses me

washman3

Deano7788 wrote: »

It's true. I think I remember Darcy saying he made more when he was dropped to a provincial contract due to appearance fees as he was still playing every match. Maybe something like that is the reason SOB turned it down. It sounds weird alright.

Would it have anything to do with the fact that a player like SOB would be leaving his options open for a possible move to England/France etc.?
i feel that more players will follow Sexton to play abroad now that the 'ice has been broken'.!

Benny Cake

irishbucsfan wrote: »

If Trimble is getting paid by the IRFU, then does that mean he is paid in the Republic of Ireland? And does that mean he gets the tax break?

That whole thing confuses me

Definitely not. He would have to be resident in the republic to qualify.