SPG question

goldie fish

Hi all. Recent convert to WoT, thanks to the wonderful videos by The Cheiftan.

Have a nice mix of cruisers, light tanks, mediums TDs and an SPG.
Figured out the rest, but can't seem to hit anything with an SPG. What's the secret? Is there a tutorial somewhere?

Nody

Define not able to hit? Are you going into arty mode or trying to shot directly? Also keep in mind my average hit ratio was around mid 70s in tanks but only mod 30s in SPGs simply because you're hitting less (but has higher splash range which don't count as a hit).

goldie fish

I'm not sure to be honest. How do I know if I'm in arty mode? I can see the shot falling.

Spear

goldie fish wrote: »

I'm not sure to be honest. How do I know if I'm in arty mode? I can see the shot falling.

You mean you're not viewing the world from a top down view?

goldie fish

Definitely not!

Spear

Press shift then, it'll change things.

goldie fish

Spear wrote: »

Press shift then, it'll change things.

My god! I have found what I was put on this earth to do. Bring Iron rain!

Thank you kindly.

Nody

goldie fish wrote: »

My god! I have found what I was put on this earth to do. Bring Iron rain!

Thank you kindly.

Only remember that your tracers can be seen so get into the habit of fire, move, fire move, or you'll get countered by other arties

goldie fish

Not if I get them all first....or the other arty are n00bz too

ED E

When I started it took me three games to realize that shift did something too

Bison, f'ck the haters. Patient hunter ftw. Very patient.....

Nody

ED E wrote: »

When I started it took me three games to realize that shift did something too

Bison, f'ck the haters. Patient hunter ftw. Very patient.....

I found it out; used it, forgot about it as I did not play SPG for half a year and then started playing with out it wondering why I had enjoyed SPGs before as they sucked .

copeyhagen

lol i was the same when beta came out. driving around missing everything wondering why!! 'E' on keyboard also swaps between views, easier when ur firing then moving.

when driving my normal tanks and TD's i curse the opposing arty, but theyre so much fun!

sold my gw tiger and swapped for the obj 212 few weeks ago, much better spg imo.. although i preferred the gwp to the s51 at tier 6.

enjoying the french spgs, have the tier 6 unlocked but not bought yet. no creds.

seeing the batchat arty in action is insane...

ED E

Rolling around in my TOGII* I'm beginning to hate arty :P

goldie fish

I made the mistake of buying a horrible M37 earlier on. Couldn't win anything to upgrade it, had to sell and get a beautiful Bison instead.

degrassinoel

the M41 is a beast, stick with it.

Nody

degrassinoel wrote: »

the M41 is a beast, stick with it.

I hated it and the whole American line of SPGs to be honest; with all nerfs to splash and accuracy they simply became to much of a gamble for my taste

goldie fish

Bison all the way.

ED E

Love mine! Ignore my shoddy overall W:L.

degrassinoel

Nody wrote: »

I hated it and the whole American line of SPGs to be honest; with all nerfs to splash and accuracy they simply became to much of a gamble for my taste

I only recently restarted, hadnt got many high tier tanks at all, but i had the m41, first game back in and i managed to get a top gun medal with 6 kills. I didn't know there was any nerfs to splash damage at all, been using stock shells all the way. Which line of spg would you recommend? I was thinking of just plough through the yanks anyway and make a set as i have a pershing med and a t1 lol

Nody

degrassinoel wrote: »

I only recently restarted, hadnt got many high tier tanks at all, but i had the m41, first game back in and i managed to get a top gun medal with 6 kills. I didn't know there was any nerfs to splash damage at all, been using stock shells all the way. Which line of spg would you recommend? I was thinking of just plough through the yanks anyway and make a set as i have a pershing med and a t1 lol

French has the combo of being best in CW (due to their clip) and being fastest to relocate so that would be my vote

degrassinoel

that'd mean levelling up a whole new line from scratch though screw it, there's not much else going on in the gaming world for me atm either, i might give it a shot. Cheers!

ED E

Whats CW?

Spear

ED E wrote: »

Whats CW?

Clan Wars.

degrassinoel

french shells seem incredibly weak compared to the yanks, up to tier 4 (amx 105?) and just cba anymore lol

fast yeah, lots of shells, yeah.. pity they direct hit for almost nothing
Think i'll stick with the american line for spg's

Nody

degrassinoel wrote: »

french shells seem incredibly weak compared to the yanks, up to tier 4 (amx 105?) and just cba anymore lol

fast yeah, lots of shells, yeah.. pity they direct hit for almost nothing
Think i'll stick with the american line for spg's

Problem is once you hit T6 you do poor damage (imo); then you hit T7 with the new big gun and while you do nice enough damage/splash the reload is insane (talking making the 212 look fast!). Once you hit the T92 you're looking at 40s reload with everything which is great if you hit but makes it painfully slow to be able to support (as you're waiting to reload) while your buddy in the French arty throws out shells like candy

degrassinoel

i dont mind the reload time on the american spg's, using the tier 6 m12 with stock cannon, it's pig slow but it's doing the kind of damage i've been doing with the m41 too, just slower. To each their own though, i just prefer a strong punch rather than many weaker ones

copeyhagen

the french tier 5 arty is class, having played german and russian tier5 before, nice to see soemthing better than hummel.

B0rG

as if we need more arty... :-\

Spear

B0rG wrote: »

as if we need more arty... :-\

If it makes you feel any better, I have 8500 matches, but not a single one of which is in arty.

B0rG

Spear wrote: »

If it makes you feel any better, I have 8500 matches, but not a single one of which is in arty.

It does

but the newcomers are lured into the wrong ways of sipping tea in the bushes and throwing heavy objects right across the map. This aint right

degrassinoel

B0rG wrote: »

It does

but the newcomers are lured into the wrong ways of sipping tea in the bushes and throwing heavy objects right across the map. This aint right

that made me laugh.

copeyhagen

i LOVE playing as arty, i HATE playing against arty in my other tanks, damn arty noobs... get a real tank.

Nody

copeyhagen wrote: »

i LOVE playing as arty, i HATE playing against arty in my other tanks, damn arty noobs... get a real tank.

Playing as arty is much more spikey then playing as a tank imo; either you get great games (i.e. 6 kills, every shell lands on the right target) or you get horrible games (light tanks not killed, mediums rush through while your own heavies stand around trying to figure out which button fires or your shells always goes the extreme edges and hits rocks and what not instead).

It is very seldom I have a "it's ok" type of games in an arty.

B0rG

copeyhagen wrote: »

i LOVE playing as arty, i HATE playing against arty in my other tanks, damn arty noobs... get a real tank.

They mentioned 3 arty cap somewhere, but it looks like its not really working. T8 - T9 battles you usually get 3 - 4 arty5-6, but t10 and higher you get 4+ high level arty mostly on open maps: vaselinovka, prohorovka, redshire etc. The game then becomes tactical bushcamping, cause nobody really wants to get 1000+ damage from nowhere. Understandbly so.

I cant play my lowe anymore because of it... taking off the star takes 5+ battles, and you can't really do anything - as soon as you lit up you get oneshotted by an arty.

And here's another thing: while red arty shoots straight and true, green arty is usually doing god knows what in the bush...

I got a solution: if there are too much artys in the q, let them play 15 vs 15 artys on himmelsdorf.

Aenaes

The arty cap is at 5 per team. Since the arty nerfs, the number of arties being played dropped quite significantly. They say once the tier 10 arties are introduced (Summer time) the number of them in randoms should calm down a bit.

copeyhagen

cant see how bringing a tier 9 and 10 arty made sense to them.

my obj 212 can/has one shot anything up to a lorraine (doesnt happen often), but thats 1600 or thereabouts from one shot.

so the obj 262 must be able to one shot all the heavy tier 9s.

by that logic the tier9 arty will probably be capable of one shotting an e100.

arty gets boring the higher up ya go on the tiers anyways.

Spear

I don't think the tier 9s and 10s arty are getting scaled up. It's more a case of the lower tiers getting bumped up, with only slight changes. So while an individual arty doesn't lose power, it's less threatening in the context of the tanks faced.

Nody

Spear wrote: »

I don't think the tier 9s and 10s arty are getting scaled up. It's more a case of the lower tiers getting bumped up, with only slight changes. So while an individual arty doesn't lose power, it's less threatening in the context of the tanks faced.

It has been stated several times that the current T8 arty will be the T10 arty (they will most likely add in a T7 (T7 goes T8 or T9) and then another for the second slot basically. The "new" T10s are not getting any boost in damage either (or at lest were not planned to).

The problem is they will need to adjust the experience and credit gain as it was based on T8 doing damage to T10 (bonus exp & credits) currently and the fact the repair bill will go up as well. If anything I think it will work out as an nerf as the grind will be longer, cost more and you'll end up making less money / exp (in general on all arty lines I make less money and average exp then on any other line) once you hit T10 (assuming no major changes are done).

B0rG

I won't cite the source right now, due to limited access to internet at work, and most of it will come in russian anyway, which is of little use here, but I do remember seeing comments from the powers that be (Serb and likes) that

* yes there is a soft arty cap for 3 artys
* damage mods and repairs bills for arty were an intentional nerf to limit amount of artys in the game

but on the other hand:

When there are low number of players in the q, MM will widen the level bracket for a match and loosen up the arty cap, in order to minimise the wait time. But some arty people claim they usually get up to a minute waiting time in q. I woudln't know, I don't play arty.

And from personal experience and I only started playing recently (so my tier3s didn't face the mice) I can tell that there are some weird matches at tier6 and tier7 with few t6-7 tops, couple of hummels (arty5) and the rest tier3-tier4. Got some funny games grinding chaffy

And right now I even wish for Dragon Ridge and Silent Coast to be back, cause at least there are some accessible no arty spots on those maps. Most of maps I get right now: malinovka, prohorovka and steppes. Heaven for arty, hell for everybody else.

As for widening the tiers I think the game is going really deep into monetisation stage, so we'll see more and more tier grind encouraging you to get prem tanks and spend money on free experience exchange.

Recent events such as british shells and "no more free slots when moving tanks around" is a good proof.

So that does make me wonder starting grind for batmobil is it really worth it? From 1390 to Lor40t is 250 000 odd and the same from 40t to batchat.

copeyhagen

ahh ok, i didnt realise they were bumping the current tiers.

better buy my tier 6 french now before the exp required goes up..

kingtiger

copeyhagen wrote: »

i LOVE playing as arty, i HATE playing against arty in my other tanks, damn arty noobs... get a real tank.

answer is the mighty T71

Arty trembles in fear when you get in among them

Spear

kingtiger wrote: »

answer is the mighty T71

Arty trembles in fear when you get in among them

No-one should underestimate the gun on a T71.

BigEejit

I've been doing some grinding my tier 7 russian arty and my tier 5 french arty and I have noticed that the new tier 6+ light tanks all seem to focus on getting in amongst the heavies with few making a beeline for the arty positions.

I had a match last night where we had two T71 and a chinese tier 7 light and NONE of them went scouting/chasing arties, all were getting stuck into heavies and TD's and all died quick .... one of them by enemy arty.

If you listen closely you may be able to hear the echo of "idiots idiots idiots" from me roaring at my computer.

B0rG

BigEejit wrote: »

If you listen closely you may be able to hear the echo of "idiots idiots idiots" from me roaring at my computer.

Grinded heavily over the weekend all my 40 odd tanks garage for x5. Even when xvm promises 52%+ to win, I still have to work heavily towards victory. Even with 2 more very competent clanners in platoon we still had to work very hard...

Some of the highlights: took 3 is3 with a "we just gonna wipe them all now" idea and ended up against T10s on el-haluf... lost of course...

Took hummel, ISU and my stock t28 proto to live oaks, just to take off stars, didn't expect any miracles and found ourselves against 8 tanks on 3rd minute... the rest of our team had magically dissappeared somewhere. I remember kv1s, 12t, full tiger, full lowe, centurion, hummel. Camped havily in upper base and in the end wiped all the opposition. In the end I fought against hummel and cent and suprisingly won with crucial contribution medal

Bottom line you cannot rely on random team EVAR