2CP - - How bad is it?

Allyall

I started hearing about a drug called 2CP in December. Probably been around lot longer than that, but that's when i first heard of it.

At first i was led to believe it was a remnant of the head shops and it was a pun on the name TCP.

I have since heard of a couple of people who got completely out of their heads on it, had a nasty night/next day, and then said it was "beautiful.."

WTF?

Looked into it a little more, and as far as i can make out, it's a form of PCP, and is very addictive.. :mad:
It seems to be aimed at middle class kids that think they're too clever (For lack of any other phrase), to take heroin.
But it is just as destructive.

It's a very toxic hallucinogen, and searching on the internet only comes up with forums/sites that sell it/people who want to try it.

No dosage recommended, unlike a tablet or bag. The measures of it seem to be all over the place, where one person may get 10mg, another may get 30mg for the same price and overdo it.

My opinion would be to kill it in it's tracks, but i don't do any drugs anymore. I stopped a long time ago.
But to me it sounds like the next very very bad thing..

Adults i know taking it with coke, and having bad nights.
Them buying it, is keeping it in stock, for the next generation (Current 15 year olds) to stumble across it, from a dealer that will sell it to them in a heartbeat, and fill them with sh*t.

Am i (hardly), being to uptight, and getting old, or is this going to be a horrible plague, causing homelessness, killing lives, or is it just one of many, and i'm blinded by this one drug?

EDIT..
For the people i know that took it, it lasted well into the next day.

Duff

This will go well.

Diageio_Man

you talking about 2C-B by any chance? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-B

edit: just checked it, there in the same chemical group.

B.A._Baracus

Never heard of the drug until now. Certainly sounds bad tho.

Never got the idea of taking all these crazy drugs. Few pints if good enough for me. When you start treading into hallucinogens - I think you should take a long hard look at yourself.

catallus

The academic culture in China is all into the use of amphetamines and barbiturates for students. It's also becoming more widespread in the USA. It's all about upping grades. Uppers for study and downers for down-time.

orestes

Diageio_Man wrote: »

you talking about 2C-B by any chance? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-B

I'm just happy this thread is here because that link let see the phrase "on the street" used on wikipedia in reference to drug slang names. Word up wiki.

1ZRed

catallus wrote: »

The academic culture in China is all into the use of amphetamines and barbiturates for students. It's also becoming more widespread in the USA. It's all about upping grades. Uppers for study and downers for down-time.

Can you blame them?

http://i.imgur.com/NOet7Ax.jpg

Sofiztikated

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Never heard of the drug until now. Certainly sounds bad tho.

Never got the idea of taking all these crazy drugs. Few pints if good enough for me. When you start treading into hallucinogens - I think you should take a long hard look at yourself.

So a depressant is fine, whereas a psychodelic means you should take a long hard look at yourself?

Double standards.

The only reason you think alcohol is ok is because it was "normal" when you were growing up. If it was "normal" to snort crushed beetles, and not ingest alcohol, you'd think the same over someone having a vodka or 2.

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal036.shtml

An erowid report. It's a bit sciency. But give it a read.

Ruudi_Mentari

- just let me decipher what is it.

but I'll say this, if I ever take a hellucinogen again I will ensure to do it in fairer wearer than this... cos when you find ourself out in the fields and that long grass starts glistening, and snaking and the sky is whirling, and raging red and is like the trees are twisting and contorting in the wind ihs just ****ed man......

seamey beag84

I Know a few people that have takin 2C-I, along the same lines as 2C-B. I wouldn't be shy of the few narcotics myself but wouldn't go near that. It looked like they were in hell while on it but still would take it every weekend. Judging by over the years, It will be replaced with something else just as bad, if not more harmful soon enough.

Reamer Fanny

Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »

- just let me decipher what is it.

but I'll say this, if I ever take a hellucinogen again I will ensure to do it in fairer wearer than this... cos when you find ourself out in the fields and that long grass starts glistening, and snaking and the sky is whirling, and raging red and is like the trees are twisting and contorting in the wind ihs just ****ed man......

Come again?

Sofiztikated

justryan wrote: »

Come again?

I think he means don't do psychodelics on a night like tonight, when it's all stormy, and it could put you on a bad trip.

Ruudi_Mentari

and if you ever do find yourself out in the trenches, at least pack a poncho

WoollyRedHat

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Never heard of the drug until now. Certainly sounds bad tho.

Never got the idea of taking all these crazy drugs. Few pints if good enough for me. When you start treading into hallucinogens - I think you should take a long hard look at yourself.

Kinda hard with all these colours man. woahhh

holystungun9

Took some WD-40 once. I'm still not right I tell ya. Me too.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Never heard of it...where can I get some???

danniemcq

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Never heard of the drug until now. Certainly sounds bad tho.

Never got the idea of taking all these crazy drugs. Few pints if good enough for me. When you start treading into hallucinogens - I think you should take a long hard look at yourself.

yourself, the world, the beauty around you. look at how the colours dance around and feel sound like you have never heard before.

you suddenly understand that in the overall picture of everything that everything is beautiful, the love you feel for your fellow man and nature as you become like one with both. Your friends become closer than you could ever have imagined you can understand eachother with no need for talking as you all just know exactly what the other person is saying and thinking.

You talk to the universe and it replies.

compare that with chatting sh*te after a few pints and i know what one i'd prefer

G Power

as my gran always said, everything in moderation

as she swigged on a bottle of póitín to neck some pookies :pac::pac:

Angron

orestes wrote: »

I'm just happy this thread is here because that link let see the phrase "on the street" used on wikipedia in reference to drug slang names. Word up wiki.

Wikipedia can be hip and with it sometimes.

Seachmall

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Few pints if good enough for me. When you start treading into hallucinogens - I think you should take a long hard look at yourself.

LSD is probably one of the most intelligent, introspective, generally amazing and safest* drugs someone could do.


Alcohol is the exact opposite.


Culture and law might recommend one over the other but you'd be hard pushed to find someone knowledgeable or experienced with both drugs make the same recommendation.


* FULL STUDY

suicide_circus

2cb was not my cup of tea. Made me unable to party because i was tripping balls. And it went on and on and on and gave me nausea to fook. Too strong, too sickening, lasts too long. People are doing this every weekend?

kunst nugget

Seachmall wrote: »

LSD is probably one of the most intelligent, introspective, generally amazing and safest* drugs someone could do.


Alcohol is the exact opposite.


Culture and law might recommend one over the other but you'd be hard pushed to find someone knowledgeable or experienced with both drugs make the same recommendation.


* FULL STUDY

LSD's a drug that can become very tiresome after a while and one that can't really be taken in moderation in one setting the way alcohol can. As enjoyable as it may be when you're young, free and single, it's not a drug that's compatible with responsibilities like kids imo. I'd be more than content to stick with my occasional beer these days.

Sergeant

I'm driving a minibus of grannies to a day care centre as we speak, and I'm off my face on 2CP. Great stuff.

bobwilliams

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Never heard of the drug until now. Certainly sounds bad tho.

Never got the idea of taking all these crazy drugs. Few pints if good enough for me. When you start treading into hallucinogens - I think you should take a long hard look at yourself(s).

fyp

Allyall

Considering this thread was started on the mental ramblings of a drunk..

Although, i feel i was more coherent than i thought i had been when i woke up.

Is 2CP just a hallucinogen? Because the people i saw on it looked terrified and horrified. All vomited, and all looked strung out..
Are they not content with all of the drugs that are already available? I don't get it.
When i was a wee lad, LSD, E, Speed, and Cocaine were considered the hard drugs freely available, with the exception of the latter not being freely available until a little later.

I may have left out one or two, and we also had Mushrooms. Are they not enough? I know a lot of people went ga ga when the headshops were open, but this seems proper scary. Although i couldn't proper say until i tried it, and that's not going to happen.

I guess i'm also a little scared for my nephew, who is hitting 14 this year, and getting closer to the age where this stuff will be introduced to his friends, no doubt by some scumbag that i would do time for beating into small lumps.

Pace2008

There is a drug called 2C-P, and it is potentially dangerous based on the very limited information available on it. But it is incredibly obscure, to the extent that I don't even know anyone who knows anyone that's taken it, nor do I recall reading reading about anyone's experience of the drug. Maybe it has hit the streets in recent times though I seriously doubt it. Searching around various drug forums it hasn't been mentioned at all for the last few years, an if it were increasing in popularity it's highly likely to have been discussed.

2C-B is a far more common designer drug. Not as prevalent as the likes of pills or coke, but as many people as not who are into the clubbing scene will have taken it as some point. But again, it's very unlikely it's the drug to which you're referring. Taken as a pill, 2C-B lasts about 6 hours, 8 tops, and unlike the substance your friends took, the experience it produces is overwhelmingly positive. Like, I've never met anyone who's had a bad time on it. The visuals are intense but it doesn't have the headtrip of acid or mushrooms; you're fairly grounded in reality, albeit a weird and cartoonish one, for the whole experience. Not really suitable for a party environment but then no psychedelics really are.

Neither of these drugs are a "form of PCP," by the way, they are phenethlyamines that are structurally unrelated to angel dust.

So what else is there that could fit the description? Trippy piperazines, DOx chemicals ( somewhat similar in effect to LSD but much longer-lasting). designer drugs like 5-Meo-PCP. All extremely niche, none in widespread use and none particularly addictive.

I'm going to be honest OP, I'd have my ear to the ground more than you when it comes to this kind of thing and you're being led on by some scaremongers. There is no deadly hallucinogen sweeping the streets of Ireland, your 14-year-old nephew is not going to end up injecting it into his testicles and I'd focus my attention more on real and pertinent dangers if I were you, like him getting pissed up down in a field with the wrong crowd.

ruthloss

Sergeant wrote: »

I'm driving a minibus of grannies to a day care centre as we speak, and I'm off my face on 2CP. Great stuff.

'scuse me while I try and stem a burst blood vessel!!:pac:

suicide_circus

Ok so there is a 2c-x family of drugs. Each one wackier than the last. Fun times ahead.

Miprocin

Plenty of information as well as experience reports here. Certainly not common, you would need to be in the know to obtain it

davet82

anybody else wanna try this shíte after hearing about it on this thread?

thanks op

G Power

Seachmall wrote: »

LSD is probably one of the most intelligent, introspective, generally amazing and safest* drugs someone could do.


Alcohol is the exact opposite.


Culture and law might recommend one over the other but you'd be hard pushed to find someone knowledgeable or experienced with both drugs make the same recommendation.


* FULL STUDY

or DMT ftw!!

DaveDaRave

Pace2008 wrote: »

There is a drug called 2C-P, and it is potentially dangerous based on the very limited information available on it. But it is incredibly obscure, to the extent that I don't even know anyone who knows anyone that's taken it, nor do I recall reading reading about anyone's experience of the drug. Maybe it has hit the streets in recent times though I seriously doubt it. Searching around various drug forums it hasn't been mentioned at all for the last few years, an if it were increasing in popularity it's highly likely to have been discussed.

2C-B is a far more common designer drug. Not as prevalent as the likes of pills or coke, but as many people as not who are into the clubbing scene will have taken it as some point. But again, it's very unlikely it's the drug to which you're referring. Taken as a pill, 2C-B lasts about 6 hours, 8 tops, and unlike the substance your friends took, the experience it produces is overwhelmingly positive. Like, I've never met anyone who's had a bad time on it. The visuals are intense but it doesn't have the headtrip of acid or mushrooms; you're fairly grounded in reality, albeit a weird and cartoonish one, for the whole experience. Not really suitable for a party environment but then no psychedelics really are.

Neither of these drugs are a "form of PCP," by the way, they are phenethlyamines that are structurally unrelated to angel dust.

So what else is there that could fit the description? Trippy piperazines, DOx chemicals ( somewhat similar in effect to LSD but much longer-lasting). designer drugs like 5-Meo-PCP. All extremely niche, none in widespread use and none particularly addictive.

I'm going to be honest OP, I'd have my ear to the ground more than you when it comes to this kind of thing and you're being led on by some scaremongers. There is no deadly hallucinogen sweeping the streets of Ireland, your 14-year-old nephew is not going to end up injecting it into his testicles and I'd focus my attention more on real and pertinent dangers if I were you, like him getting pissed up down in a field with the wrong crowd.

good stuff. solid post. drug scaremongering is seriously out of order most of the time

rambutman

2 CB has been around for donkeys.....................i remember taking it almost 20 years ago - around 96, 97 sometimes with ecstasy etc...........its kind of like a mix between ecstasy and LSD............can leave ya feeling a little floaty the next day but its grand - i've never had any bad experiences with it

frank reynolds

danniemcq wrote: »

yourself, the world, the beauty around you. look at how the colours dance around and feel sound like you have never heard before.

you suddenly understand that in the overall picture of everything that everything is beautiful, the love you feel for your fellow man and nature as you become like one with both. Your friends become closer than you could ever have imagined you can understand eachother with no need for talking as you all just know exactly what the other person is saying and thinking.

You talk to the universe and it replies.

compare that with chatting sh*te after a few pints and i know what one i'd prefer

go hug a tree.

that's nonsense.

Arpa

rambutman wrote: »

2 CB has been around for donkeys.....................i remember taking it almost 20 years ago - around 96, 97 sometimes with ecstasy etc...........its kind of like a mix between ecstasy and LSD............can leave ya feeling a little floaty the next day but its grand - i've never had any bad experiences with it

I concur, took it with some mates in a big Georgian house overlooking the Bray bay area. Was a great experience. Some Pink Floyd, Mozart and Small Faces as a soundtrack. One of those once in a lifetime things. I took it only once as I wanted to experience an LSD type trip and tick that box. I'm not gonna recommend it as each to their own but yeah it does leave you floaty as rambutman said but it clears up after a few coffees and a fry up. Just be prepared not to sleep for the night, and I recommend staying indoors in a safe environment where you feel comfortable. I had the feeling that the slightest bad buzz could have set me on a bad trip. Enjoy your flight

frank reynolds

Arpa wrote: »

I concur, took it with some mates in a big Georgian house overlooking the Bray bay area. Was a great experience. Some Pink Floyd, Mozart and Small Faces as a soundtrack. One of those once in a lifetime things. I took it only once as I wanted to experience an LSD type trip and tick that box. I'm not gonna recommend it as each to their own but yeah it does leave you floaty as rambutman said but it clears up after a few coffees and a fry up. Just be prepared not to sleep for the night, and I recommend staying indoors in a safe environment where you feel comfortable. I had the feeling that the slightest bad buzz could have set me on a bad trip. Enjoy your flight

i'll stay on the ground thanks.
weed and booze is plenty for anyone.

anyone taking these sort of drugs is not sane... or wont be for very long at least.

anncoates

holystungun9 wrote: »

Took some WD-40 once. I'm still not right I tell ya. Me too.

You really need to brake that habit. mate.

old hippy

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Never heard of the drug until now. Certainly sounds bad tho.

Never got the idea of taking all these crazy drugs. Few pints if good enough for me. When you start treading into hallucinogens - I think you should take a long hard look at yourself.

Well, you don't have to take all these crazy drugs, BAB. That's what the selfless psychonauts out there do, to save you the bother

You are correct in your assesment of hallucinogens - it can be a space for you to take stock of yourself and find your inner self. Or it could be just a nightmare - depends on the individual involved.

I don't do anything like that anymore but I won't moralise about those who chose to do so.

Everything in moderation.

kowloon

catallus wrote: »

The academic culture in China is all into the use of amphetamines and barbiturates for students. It's also becoming more widespread in the USA. It's all about upping grades. Uppers for study and downers for down-time.

Huge amount of pressure on them. Apparently their entrance exam for third level can only be done once. If you don't get the grades you're only chance is going abroad, which is expensive.

Barbiturates are probably something to be more concerned about than students snorting ground up Ritalin.

I never heard of anyone doing it when I was in college and when I went back as a mature student I didn't spend time with any of the younger students on my course so I've no idea what they were up to. A lot of them would have been going straight in to Sandhurst though, so any drugs whatsoever would have been trouble.

Snake Pliisken

frank reynolds wrote: »

go hug a tree.

that's nonsense.

Great point, can you explain it further please?

frank reynolds wrote: »

i'll stay on the ground thanks.
weed and booze is plenty for anyone.

anyone taking these sort of drugs is not sane... or wont be for very long at least.

Plenty of what? You do know cannabis qualifies as a psychedelic right? If you eat it you can go to places that are just as wild as any LSD experience. So by your own reckoning you've taken 'these sorts of drugs' yourself and while you mightn't be insane, you are being ignorant.

Arpa

frank reynolds wrote: »

i'll stay on the ground thanks.
weed and booze is plenty for anyone.

anyone taking these sort of drugs is not sane... or wont be for very long at least.

Stay on the ground then, was just giving you my twopence worth from a first hand source.

As I stated I took it once as it was something I don't want to go through life without experiencing. Experience everything I say, unless it is detrimentally harmful to the prolongation of my life. 2CB is not. Heroin and certain other drugs prerogatively are a step too far.

I'm quite sane thanks very much. Although if you think weed and booze are safe you're sorely misguided. Everything in moderation and each to their own. I just offered what I knew about the drug from personal experience.

rambutman

frank reynolds wrote: »

anyone taking these sort of drugs is not sane... or wont be for very long at least.

don't agree TBH

do you agree with the media hype that weed makes you crazy

cos you're statement and that are just about the same - its all relative to the person taking it

SEPT 23 1989

I wish i was young and carefree

so i could do it all again:)

Seachmall

kunst nugget wrote: »

As enjoyable as it may be when you're young, free and single, it's not a drug that's compatible with responsibilities like kids imo.

Not if you're actively looking after kids, but if you've a free weekend I see no problem with it.


Alcohol does have the benefit of being less potent (and not lasting as long), and so it's easier to manage levels of sobriety, but when comparing comparable levels of intoxication LSD wins hands down imo. Even for the responsible adult.

anhedonia

If mdma was legal we wouldnt have chinese chemists churning out new analogues on a daily basis. These new drugs are always inferior to pure mdma and may even be seriously damaging to health.

Give us MDMA and DMT, and we dont need anything else.

Anyone into obscure phenethylamines and tryptamines should read PIHKAL and TIHKAL by Alexander Shulgin. He really got the ball rolling with creating new designer drugs.

Wolf Club

anhedonia wrote: »

Anyone into obscure phenethylamines and tryptamines should read PIHKAL and TIHKAL by Alexander Shulgin. He really got the ball rolling with creating new designer drugs.

I think it's worth noting that he has spent a good chunk of his life designing and experimenting with all of these types of drugs, and is still alive at the ripe old age of 86. I don't really go in for this sort of thing, but from what I can tell, there are much, much more dangerous things out there than 2CB.

kunst nugget

Seachmall wrote: »

Not if you're actively looking after kids, but if you've a free weekend I see no problem with it.


Alcohol does have the benefit of being less potent, and so it's easier to manage levels of sobriety, but when comparing comparable levels of intoxication LSD wins hands down imo. Even for the responsible adult.

I guess I'm not as into heightened levels of intoxication, of any substance, as I was. I bought the tshirt and have my stories from doing it in college and the couple of years afterwards but it became a case of diminishing returns and I wouldn't have any urge to do it again. If the right situation presented itself I'd still be tempted to do some mushrooms but I wouldn't be bother actively searching them out.

DarkJager

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned CAKE yet, seriously dangerous stuff. One girl who took it threw up her own pelvis.

kunst nugget

frank reynolds wrote: »

i'll stay on the ground thanks.
weed and booze is plenty for anyone.

anyone taking these sort of drugs is not sane... or wont be for very long at least.

Plenty of people have taken it with the only negative side effect being the urge to talk some space-agey bollix while others have taken it without any side effects at all. People that have had negative effects on the likes of LCD would in the main seem to be people that aggravated pre-existing mental health issues. Tbf, you probably are better off not taking it because you sound like you could turn into one of those tree-hugging mentallers if you did.

Sergeant

The thing I've noticed about drugs in general is that people who take them too often tend to spend all their times talking about drugs or their last trip.

frank reynolds

Snake Pliisken wrote: »

Great point, can you explain it further please?



Plenty of what? You do know cannabis qualifies as a psychedelic right? If you eat it you can go to places that are just as wild as any LSD experience. So by your own reckoning you've taken 'these sorts of drugs' yourself and while you mightn't be insane, you are being ignorant.

no it doesnt.

what i'm getting at, is there is a certain naivety within people who dont want to appear to be "normal" or "ordinary" and are taking these drugs as if its underground, and its totally the cool thing to do. it's not.

yeah i have taken these sorts of drugs and many others, i've taken a lot of drugs back in the day and wasnt an addict, i was young and naive, and thought it was cool. it's not.

you havent a clue WHY you would even defend this type of drug do you?

would you "recommend" that people should go out and take cocaine or heroin? WHy not? theyre as dangerous as any LSD or whatever, so what i'm getting at, is do people only take these sorts of "hippy" drugs to be cool and anti-establishment or what?

has weed become too mainstream for them?

anyway, all im saying is, i've done most drugs, and most of them are a waste of time. im lucky i didnt end up with serious issues from it, however, i do like to DISCOURAGE younger people from messing around with potentially deadly drugs, when there are plenty of safe things to be doing like smoke a few joints, and if you really want to go off the wall, have a few whiskeys.

i dont get this desire that some people have to be like yer man from fear and loathing in las vegas. its depressing.