New burner for oil - cost

clint_silver

Plumber serviced my boiler, he said the burner is knackered, quoted me 600e for a new one. Does this sound about right?

corkgsxr

What boiler is it. I think most are about 300

Did he say why it was knackered or just sed its knackered.

Was it working before the service?

Robbie.G

clint_silver wrote: »

Plumber serviced my boiler, he said the burner is knackered, quoted me 600e for a new one. Does this sound about right?

More info needed.What burner was quoted for any other works included for price.Without more info it would be unfair to comment

clint_silver

ok, fair points, didnt think to ask any of the above of the plumber. Does the same model burner need to go into a boiler thats there already ie, like for like or would he put a cheaper one in? Are they hard to fit?

Ill get the model next couple of days.

ibFoxer

What make of boiler? Usually, as rightly posted earlier in the thread, a new burner is approx €300 but there are SOME that are significantly more. If you had the boiler make it would help.

corkgsxr

Normally like for like. Most are riello burners

jimf

do you mind me asking were you having problems with this burner or was this just advice given to you after a basic service

clint_silver

jimf wrote: »

do you mind me asking were you having problems with this burner or was this just advice given to you after a basic service

its in a rental property, it was working prior to the service as I had to fix an air blockage in the system recently and was coming on. The burner would be about 16-17 years old.

The plumber came recommended from a family member who used him many times and said he was always reasonable.

jimf

if its not broken why fix it

if serviced properly and set up using a fluegas analyser it should still be good for a few more years did you get a printout when the service was completed

Billy Bunting

I agree with Jim, what did the FGA printout say ??

TPM

clint_silver wrote: »

ok, fair points, didnt think to ask any of the above of the plumber. Does the same model burner need to go into a boiler thats there already ie, like for like or would he put a cheaper one in? Are they hard to fit?

Ill get the model next couple of days.

If you can get a photo of it posted someone should be able to identify it

clint_silver

make and model.

"Amanda ECO"
rg12877/92

this make sense?

jimf

clint_silver wrote: »

make and model.

"Amanda ECO"
rg12877/92

this make sense?

maybe this is a bentone model not sure maybe others on here might be able to confirm ser no looks like its 1992 era

JohnnieK

Amanda boilers came with a Bentone B9 or B10 burner. Parts are still available for these burners. The modern replacement Bentone ST burner would be around the €310/€350 mark depending on output.

jimf

JohnnieK wrote: »

Amanda boilers came with a Bentone B9 or B10 burner. Parts are still available for these burners. The modern replacement Bentone ST burner would be around the €310/€350 mark depending on output.

thanks johnnie never worked on 1 of these but i thought i seen 1 scrapped at some stage a few years ago and bentone seemed to register for some reason were they a ci boiler

JohnnieK

jimf wrote: »

thanks johnnie never worked on 1 of these but i thought i seen 1 scrapped at some stage a few years ago and bentone seemed to register for some reason were they a ci boiler

No they are steel boilers. I prefer Bentone burners to be honest, there solid.

jimf

i see very little bentone burners in my neck of the woods unless its a gercros boiler and you could find any burner fitted to these they seemed to keep switching from burner to burner still a few minor 1 hanging around jaysus i hate these with a vengance especially those little grub screws for keeping in the blast tube

Billy Bunting

clint_silver wrote: »

Plumber serviced my boiler, he said the burner is knackered, quoted me 600e for a new one. Does this sound about right?

All would depend on what else is require when fitting the new burner, hoses, filters, fire valves, but its not just a case of the cost of the burner.
I personally dont like Bentone burners so i would go for a Riello and an average price i would charge for supply and fit would be around 460/500.

shane0007

JohnnieK wrote: »

I prefer Bentone burners to be honest, there solid.

Ooohhhh, not me, give me a Riello any day! Pain in the backside sometimes winding out the nozzle holder to get at the electrode release nut. Had hardship a few times when it came off the thread and would not re-thread. Then the 4mm hex screw crumbled!

JohnnieK

shane0007 wrote: »

Ooohhhh, not me, give me a Riello any day! Pain in the backside sometimes winding out the nozzle holder to get at the electrode release nut. Had hardship a few times when it came off the thread and would not re-thread. Then the 4mm hex screw crumbled!

Bentone baby:D

.jacksparrow.

New bentones are a lot better to work on than the old ones,and to commission.

Was working on a Lamborghini oil burner yesterday,I will never look at a Lamborghini Diablo the same again.

jimf

Billy Bunting wrote: »

All would depend on what else is require when fitting the new burner, hoses, filters, fire valves, but its not just a case of the cost of the burner.
I personally dont like Bentone burners so i would go for a Riello and an average price i would charge for supply and fit would be around 460/500.

jaysus billy i wish i operated in your part of the world with margins like that

corkgsxr

Good few lamborghini gas boiler in cork

shane0007

jimf wrote: »

jaysus billy i wish i operated in your part of the world with margins like that

I would be €450 for a standard burner. You are not going to stick a new burner into an unserviced boiler, plus a nozzle change to suit the installation, etc.

I might throw in a kiss & a cuddle, but conditions would apply.....

Billy Bunting

jimf wrote: »

jaysus billy i wish i operated in your part of the world with margins like that

I wish i operated in his plumbers part of the world with margins like his.

So what would you put on it Jim ?

jimf

Billy Bunting wrote: »

I wish i operated in his plumbers part of the world with margins like his.

So what would you put on it Jim ?

if i tried to charge anymore than 375/400 i would have to throw in the wife as well now theres a thought **** prices are going up tomorrow

Billy Bunting

jimf wrote: »

if i tried to charge anymore than 375/400 i would have to throw in the wife as well now theres a thought **** prices are going up tomorrow

I would have to throw in the wife at that money because i would be loosing money, i doubt the wife would make me a million either. :eek:

jimf

shane0007 wrote: »

I would be €450 for a standard burner. You are not going to stick a new burner into an unserviced boiler, plus a nozzle change to suit the installation, etc.

I might throw in a kiss & a cuddle, but conditions would apply.....

do you give a discount if the kiss and cuddle option is not taken up

shane0007

jimf wrote: »

if i tried to charge anymore than 375/400 i would have to throw in the wife as well now theres a thought **** prices are going up tomorrow

So you go to breakdown. Spend time fault finding to rescue burner. See it needs a new burner. Give it the last rites. Off to suppliers to get new shiney one or pay out your money to stock the various sizes/types. Back to the job. Change the nozzle. Service the boiler complete. All for about €70 less your diesel, van, overheads, insurance, OFTEC, FGA calibration/cell replacements, etc.

Hmmm.... now I put it like that, I think I will put my prices up also and charge for that kiss and cuddle!

JohnnieK

Billy Bunting wrote: »

I would have to throw in the wife at that money because i would be loosing money, i doubt the wife would make me a million either. :eek:

My wife wouldn't let me do it for that money:D.

I put in a new ST120K last week and including VAT the bill was €500

Billy Bunting

shane0007 wrote: »

Hmmm.... now I put it like that, I think I will put my prices up also and charge for that kiss and cuddle!

Gary71 recons a kiss from you is priceless.

shane0007

jimf wrote: »

do you give a discount if the kiss and cuddle option is not taken up

No, T & C's should be read beforehand. Complaints are via email only, care of Mr O'Leary.

As per our terms & conditions, discounts can only be availed of if you are accompanied by both your great grandparents.....

shane0007

Billy Bunting wrote: »

Gary71 recons a kiss from you is priceless.

Gary71 reckons a lot of things from me is an excitable adventure, but then again he is very easily excitable.

jimf

shane0007 wrote: »

So you go to breakdown. Spend time fault finding to rescue burner. See it needs a new burner. Give it the last rites. Off to suppliers to get new shiney one or pay out your money to stock the various sizes/types. Back to the job. Change the nozzle. Service the boiler complete. All for about €70 less your diesel, van, overheads, insurance, OFTEC, FGA calibration/cell replacements, etc.

Hmmm.... now I put it like that, I think I will put my prices up also and charge for that kiss and cuddle!

no argument from me there shane i agree 100% but when the local so called plumber is advising customers where to purchase the burner and then give him a ring to come and fit it for 60e no mention of nozzle change service fga this is the ****e im up against and no risk to him of not getting paid for supplying burner

Billy Bunting

jimf wrote: »

no argument from me there shane i agree 100% but when the local so called plumber is advising customers where to purchase the burner and then give him a ring to come and fit it for 60e no mention of nozzle change service fga this is the ****e im up against and no risk to him of not getting paid for supplying burner

I have 4 around my manor, I've learnt to sit back and await the call.;)

jimf

Billy Bunting wrote: »

I have 4 around my manor, I've learnt to sit back and await the call.;)

my problem there billy is im strictly service/commissioning only no plumbing experience so im happy to leave the pluming side of things to plumbers thats their bread and butter if only it would work both ways so i really have no option only to try and get in and do the job properly at a price as i would be seen as a newbie the recommendations are what im after to their friends i still maintain its the best form of advertisement and its free

shane0007

TBH, I don't have to compete with them. I have enough work through recommendations. I sometimes get calls to price over the phone as they have a very cheap price already but I find that customers now are becoming more conscious of the fly-by-nighters. They are becoming more willing to pay a bit extra to have it done properly and also very importantly have a come back if something goes wrong. They know if I do something wrong or the part I fit fails, I will come back and sort it without question.

As I have said many times before, value your worth & expertise. You paid a lot in money, blood, sweat & tears to gain what you have and you deserve to earn a living from it and not become a busy fool trying to compete with the entourage of here today gone tomorrow's. Remember that you have to be still here tomorrow!

jimf

shane0007 wrote: »

TBH, I don't have to compete with them. I have enough work through recommendations. I sometimes get calls to price over the phone as they have a very cheap price already but I find that customers now are becoming more conscious of the fly-by-nighters. They are becoming more willing to pay a bit extra to have it done properly and also very importantly have a come back if something goes wrong. They know if I do something wrong or the part I fit fails, I will come back and sort it without question.

As I have said many times before, value your worth & expertise. You paid a lot in money, blood, sweat & tears to gain what you have and you deserve to earn a living from it and not become a busy fool trying to compete with the entourage of here today gone tomorrow's. Remember that you have to be still here tomorrow!

very true words shane this is only my fourth year and thank god im seeing a lot more repeat services this year fingers crossed it will continue by the way how long have you been in business yourself with your own company

Billy Bunting

jimf wrote: »

my problem there billy is im strictly service/commissioning only no plumbing experience so im happy to leave the pluming side of things to plumbers thats their bread and butter if only it would work both ways so i really have no option only to try and get in and do the job properly at a price as i would be seen as a newbie the recommendations are what im after to their friends i still maintain its the best form of advertisement and its free

I am myself mainly service and commissioning, i still keep my hand in with the plumbing but the knees are knackered so i avoid pain, thankfully i am RGI also and a Domestic Appliance Engineer, but i understand exactly how twats rob your work, but with oil i find its corner cutting and i end up out there, its the gas work i loose that bucks me off, these bastards have the nerve to ask me how to do it and why did you cut it off so they can put it right, just this week i know of 2 jobs i lost to the local doleman. :mad:

TPM

jimf wrote: »

no argument from me there shane i agree 100% but when the local so called plumber is advising customers where to purchase the burner and then give him a ring to come and fit it for 60e no mention of nozzle change service fga this is the ****e im up against and no risk to him of not getting paid for supplying burner

Billy Bunting wrote: »

I have 4 around my manor, I've learnt to sit back and await the call.;)

The €50 brigade are driving us all mad down my way, they will "fix" almost anything for €50(+ parts of course), Immersions, new burners, I have even seen a boiler replaced for €75. It use to torment me, now I do like bill, I wait for the call when it all goes wrong, It usually ends up costing the home owner in the long run, burnt out baffles, boilers, lots of soot and blocked up.

shane0007 wrote: »

So you go to breakdown. Spend time fault finding to rescue burner. See it needs a new burner. Give it the last rites. Off to suppliers to get new shiney one or pay out your money to stock the various sizes/types. Back to the job. Change the nozzle. Service the boiler complete. All for about €70 less your diesel, van, overheads, insurance, OFTEC, FGA calibration/cell replacements, etc.

Hmmm.... now I put it like that, I think I will put my prices up also and charge for that kiss and cuddle!

I may have mentioned it before, but I fitted a new G3 a while back everything working nicely got paid, went home happy. Three days later got a call the burner wouldnt fire up. Went back, and the capacitor was gone, stuck in another away it went, and still going:).
Things like that are bad enough when you charger a realistic price, but if you had charged low it would be a killer and the whole job would have cost you money

clint_silver

back to the matter in hand!

can I source the part myself? If so, where? Is it difficult to fit?

If the part cant be found, do I need to get an entirely new boiler and burner?

This would have been there since about mid 90s so 92 might be about right for the model, would a newer model fit?

plodder

I got a new burner fitted around a year ago at a cost of around 450. Nothing wrong with the old boiler though. The new burner is so much more efficient than the very old (over 20 years) one, that I've saved the money in oil bills already. Wouldn't attempt to source/fit something like that myself. Only complaint is I should have changed it years ago.

jimf

clint_silver wrote: »

back to the matter in hand!

can I source the part myself? If so, where? Is it difficult to fit?

If the part cant be found, do I need to get an entirely new boiler and burner?

This would have been there since about mid 90s so 92 might be about right for the model, would a newer model fit?

yes you can source the part yourself as for fitting i would say its not difficult but as it will still need to be matched for your boiler output and set up properly using flugas analyser that means you will still need a oftec reg eng to do the job for you but again i say if its not broke why fix it

TPM

If the burner was working before the service it is unlikely to be knackered, it may need some parts that could be alot cheaper than a complete new burner.
on the other hand it may be a case that it wouldnt be economical to repair or be worth spending money on.
You need to find out which is the case before you source a new burner.


it has been suggested that the burner could have been a bentone b9 or b 10 when new and the modern replacement for those would be a bentone st (but there are other burners that would also fit)
Yes you could go out and buy a new burner, but it will need to be set up specifically for your boiler, this will require specialised equipment including A flue gas analyser.


Anyone with the necessary equipment should be able to identify and source a suitable replacement burner (and most likely at a better price).

If you source the burner yourself.it probably wont save you anything in the long run, plus if you get the one person to supply and install the burner they are fully responsible for the warranty, there is no get out in them not supplying the burner.


It might be worth getting someone else to have a look at it and give a 2nd opinion and price. as its almost impossible to diagnose and/or give accurate prices without a site visit

jimf

plodder wrote: »

I got a new burner fitted around a year ago at a cost of around 450. Nothing wrong with the old boiler though. The new burner is so much more efficient than the very old (over 20 years) one, that I've saved the money in oil bills already. Wouldn't attempt to source/fit something like that myself. Only complaint is I should have changed it years ago.

the difference setting up a burner properly and using a flugas analyser and getting the proper guys to service imho can save you the cost of the service over and over i personally serviced a 28 year old clyde burner/boiler last year and the customer told me recently their oil usage is way down since you also have to remember a clean unobstructed boiler is key to efficient burning as well the problems we face are the 50/60 eu guys that change the nozzle rub of a cloth out the door 20mins a proper service should take at least 75mins maybe guys can do it faster i cant nor do i want to

clint_silver

jimf wrote: »

yes you can source the part yourself as for fitting i would say its not difficult but as it will still need to be matched for your boiler output and set up properly using flugas analyser that means you will still need a oftec reg eng to do the job for you but again i say if its not broke why fix it

thanks Jim, well its in a rental property thats being done up and being handed to new tenant in next 2 weeks. What I dont want is to be getting a call from an irate tenant in the depths of winter and ringing around to get someone to fix and/or source parts. Rather get in now.

I'm somewhat replying on the plumber being honest here with me that the burner is knackered as opposed to needing a new part.

but that said and from some comments here, if any of the lads here are near Dublin 24 and can give review on a second opinion on whether it is that bad or indeed with a cheaper price to supply and fit can you send me a pm? thanks.

Dtp79

jimf wrote: »

the difference setting up a burner properly and using a flugas analyser and getting the proper guys to service imho can save you the cost of the service over and over i personally serviced a 28 year old clyde burner/boiler last year and the customer told me recently their oil usage is way down since you also have to remember a clean unobstructed boiler is key to efficient burning as well the problems we face are the 50/60 eu guys that change the nozzle rub of a cloth out the door 20mins a proper service should take at least 75mins maybe guys can do it faster i cant nor do i want to

I can easily service a boiler in 73 mins

corkgsxr

Dtp79 wrote: »

I can easily service a boiler in 73 mins

That include a cup of tea or not?

Billy Bunting

Dtp79 wrote: »

I can easily service a boiler in 73 mins

Its probably just our age.

Dtp79

corkgsxr wrote: »

That include a cup of tea or not?

Depends how dirty the boiler is!!

jimf

Dtp79 wrote: »

I can easily service a boiler in 73 mins

ah jaysus im giving this oil crack up im too cheap and i take too long

what you think billy how long you take