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    #32
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    "Chris Byyyyyyyyyyrd!!! I see you creepin dog! Come on down! I beat yo ass right now!"

    What a comedy like, it's a travesty he hasn't been given a pundit job.


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    #33
    templer27
    Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭templer27


    walshb wrote: »
    The main reason I like him as a fighter, apart from his innate and effortless talent, is his fearless attitude. He feared nobody. I still maintain that of the all the fighters in history, he would be the most difficult of all to get a TKO/KO against. He was so utterly relaxed and sure and confident in the ring.
    What a brilliant boxer, really the man feared no one at all. Ah walshb describes him perfectly.


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    #34
    gene_tunney
    Registered Users Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭gene_tunney


    Toney was a warrior, but his gung-ho attitude and unwillingness to get into shape resulted in numerous beatings that should have been avoided. He's fighting again on April 28, his licence should really be revoked. He is pretty badly brain damaged already.


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    #35
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,895 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    gene_tunney wrote: »
    Toney was a warrior, but his gung-ho attitude and unwillingness to get into shape resulted in numerous beatings that should have been avoided. He's fighting again on April 28, his licence should really be revoked. He is pretty badly brain damaged already.

    Apart from Lebedev I can't think of a beating he took. And vs. Lebedev he was a shell. That's the thing with Toney, he'd be so competitive even with very little preparation. Born fighter. It's so much raw skill.


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    #36
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,675 ✭✭✭Worztron


    walshb wrote: »
    Apart from Lebedev I can't think of a beating he took. And vs. Lebedev he was a shell. That's the thing with Toney, he'd be so competitive even with very little preparation. Born fighter. It's so much raw skill.

    Many think Dave Tiberi beat James Toney in 1992. The decision was dodgy.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #37
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,895 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Worztron wrote: »
    Many think Dave Tiberi beat James Toney in 1992. The decision was dodgy.


    Not sure what this has to do with taking a beating? Unless by beating we mean a loss? Jones beat Toney, and it was a clear win, but he didn't beat Toney up. Mike McCallum to some beat Toney, again, didn't beat him up.


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    #38
    MickFleetwood
    Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭MickFleetwood


    Of all time?

    1: Greb
    2: Robinson
    3: Langford

    Talk of Ali and SRL in the top three is incorrect.


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    #39
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,675 ✭✭✭Worztron


    MickFleetwood wrote: »
    Of all time?

    1: Greb
    2: Robinson
    3: Langford

    Talk of Ali and SRL in the top three is incorrect.

    Yes, of all time.

    Harry Greb was a fine boxer who died far too young.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #40
    MickFleetwood
    Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭MickFleetwood


    Worztron wrote: »
    Yes, of all time.

    Harry Greb was a fine boxer who died far too young.

    A fine boxer is an understatement my friend! I think he was far and away the greatest boxer of all time.

    My favorite three?

    1: Alexis Arguello
    2: Roberto Duran
    3: Rocky Marciano


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    #41
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,895 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    MickFleetwood wrote: »
    Talk of Ali and SRL in the top three is incorrect.

    What's incorrect about it?:confused:


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    #42
    MickFleetwood
    Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭MickFleetwood


    walshb wrote: »
    What's incorrect about it?:confused:

    Well, if we're talking greatness (of course anybody could be in your top three favorite boxers) then there are a few fighters who are greater than Ali and even more greater than Leonard.


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    #43
    MickFleetwood
    Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭MickFleetwood


    Sugar Ray Leonard isn't the greatest Sugar of all time, Ray of all time, or Leonard of all time.


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    #44
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,895 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    MickFleetwood wrote: »
    Well, if we're talking greatness (of course anybody could be in your top three favorite boxers) then there are a few fighters who are greater than Ali and even more greater than Leonard.

    In you list, maybe! Ali being top of the list doesn't at all seem out of place. Just like Duran or SRR or Louis et al being top of the list. All great fighters.

    Why is Ali top of my list? Well, to me he was the greatest HW ever, and the HW was and is the man who must meet all comers. No other division copmpares in this regard. Hence I add a little extra weight to the great HW men. So, as great as SRR was at his time he was never beating Joe Louis, for example. Or, as great as Hagler was, he was never beating Holmes or Tyson.


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    #45
    MickFleetwood
    Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭MickFleetwood


    walshb wrote: »
    In you list, maybe! Ali being top of the list doesn't at all seem out of place. Just like Duran or SRR or Louis et al being top of the list. All great fighters.

    Why is Ali top of my list? Well, to me he was the greatest HW ever, and the HW was and is the man who must meet all comers. No other division copmpares in this regard. Hence I add a little extra weight to the great HW men. So, as great as SRR was at his time he was never beating Joe Louis, for example. Or, as great as Hagler was, he was never beating Holmes or Tyson.

    So Wladimir Klitschko, to you, right now is a better fighter than Floyd Mayweather and you would rate him higher?


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    #46
    Dick phelan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    1 SRR

    2 Roy Jones JR

    3 Muhammad Ali


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    #47
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,895 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    MickFleetwood wrote: »
    So Wladimir Klitschko, to you, right now is a better fighter than Floyd Mayweather and you would rate him higher?

    I said I lend a little bit more weight for the heavies. I never said that I automatically pick them when doing these lists. I did have SRR (a non HW) as number 2. I would rate Floyd above Wladimir. Ali gets number 1 because he was a brilliant HW. The best I have seen. Plus, he also was a HW, meeting all comers. That's the plus bit in my reasoning! Wlad does not make my top ten HWs ever. Nor will he make my top 10 fighters ever.


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    #48
    MickFleetwood
    Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭MickFleetwood


    walshb wrote: »
    I said I lend a little bit more weight for the heavies. I never said that I automatically pick them when doing these lists. I did have SRR (a non HW) as number 2. I would rate Floyd above Wladimir. Ali gets number 1 because he was a brilliant HW. The best I have seen. Plus, he also was a HW, meeting all comers. That's the plus bit in my reasoning! Wlad does not make my top ten HWs ever. Nor will he make my top 10 fighters ever.

    I get what you mean. But I don't really do that, it isn't my criteria. I judge fighters careers P4P, which is why Greb is the best in my opinion.


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    #49
    MickFleetwood
    Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭MickFleetwood


    I will say though that Roy Jones Jr. Is probably the best filmed fighter of all time.


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