Top 3 Boxers

Worztron · 19-03-2013 10:18am #1

Who are your Top 3 Boxers? This list includes all weights and both amateur + pro.

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Sugar Ray Robinson
Muhammad Ali
Félix Savón

cowzerp · 19-03-2013 10:49pm

Sugar ray Leonard
Evander Holyfield
Floyd Mayweather

gene_tunney · 19-03-2013 11:00pm

1. Sugar Ray Robinson.

Ahead of his time. Brought boxing into the modern era.

kryogen · 20-03-2013 3:03am

Sugar Ray Robinson at the top for me too

After that I would have to have a proper think

cowzerp · 20-03-2013 7:40am

gene_tunney wrote: »

1. Sugar Ray Robinson.

Ahead of his time. Brought boxing into the modern era.

Definitely agree, although

Jack Johnson to me was the same but years earlier though-I'd guess without him sugar ray wouldn't have been.

ThunderCat · 20-03-2013 10:34am

Sugar Ray Leonard
Floyd Mayweather
Julio Cesar Chavez

walshb · 20-03-2013 10:41am

1. Ali.
2. SRR
3. Duran

Top 3 favourite:

Toney
SRL
Ali

walshb · 20-03-2013 10:50am

cowzerp wrote: »

Definitely agree, although

Jack Johnson to me was the same but years earlier though-I'd guess without him sugar ray wouldn't have been.

Johnson for me wasn't such a revolutionary. Yes, he seemed to progress the sport, but it wasn't as big an impact as made out. To me, the arrival of a 200 lbs Clay/Ali was something never ever seen before. Moving like a WW and as fast as a WW. Unreal.

Worztron · 20-03-2013 10:57am

walshb wrote: »

...Moving like a WW and as fast as a WW. Unreal.

What does WW mean?

cowzerp · 20-03-2013 10:57am

walshb wrote: »

Johnson for me wasn't such a revolutionary. Yes, he seemed to progress the sport, but it wasn't as big an impact as made out. To me, the arrival of a 200 lbs Clay/Ali was something never ever seen before. Moving like a WW and as fast as a WW. Unreal.

Ali brought the sport on more, this was due to media exposure and charisma, Johnson was certainly Boxing in a similar way to Ali long before Ali was alive, the footage is there and it's incredible to see the skills back in a time 50 years before Boxing started to get far more technical..

walshb · 20-03-2013 11:03am

cowzerp wrote: »

Ali brought the sport on more, this was due to media exposure and charisma, Johnson was certainly Boxing in a similar way to Ali long before Ali was alive, the footage is there and it's incredible to see the skills back in a time 50 years before Boxing started to get far more technical..

Johnson was also one of Ali's idols.

walshb · 20-03-2013 11:04am

Worztron wrote: »

What does WW mean?

Welterweight.

cowzerp · 20-03-2013 1:10pm

walshb wrote: »

Johnson was also one of Ali's idols.

without a doubt, ya only had to look at his style to know that

megadodge · 20-03-2013 9:14pm

cowzerp wrote: »

without a doubt, ya only had to look at his style to know that

Ali based his style more on Gene Tunney's than Johnson's.

cowzerp · 20-03-2013 11:21pm

megadodge wrote: »

Ali based his style more on Gene Tunney's than Johnson's.

And Tunney most likely based it on Johnsons, my point is he was doing this stuff long before it became well known.

Most counter fighters probably indirectly come from him

megadodge · 21-03-2013 7:08pm

cowzerp wrote: »

And Tunney most likely based it on Johnsons, my point is he was doing this stuff long before it became well known.

Most counter fighters probably indirectly come from him

I agree that Johnson was well ahead of his time, it's just that Ali admitted himself that his style was based on Tunney's and also some of SRR's. Tunney moved much more than Johnson did.

tdv123 · 24-03-2013 1:48am

Gatti
Manny
Barrera (just for schooling that clown Naseem he gets in there).

gene_tunney · 24-03-2013 8:24pm

Sugar Ray Robinson copied Ali.

walshb · 24-03-2013 8:33pm

gene_tunney wrote: »

Sugar Ray Robinson copied Ali.

Where's the smiley face?

gene_tunney · 24-03-2013 8:47pm

walshb wrote: »

Where's the smiley face?

:pac: Meant to say Sugar Ray Leonard!

megadodge · 30-03-2013 9:41pm

If we're talking my 3 favourite boxers to watch then -

Arturo Gatti
Matthew Saad Muhammad
Marco Antonio Barrera

If we're talking the 3 best boxers I've seen then -

Roy Jones jr.
Roberto Duran
Sugar Ray Leonard

barney4001 · 30-03-2013 10:08pm

i really think Salvador Chancez would have been one of the greatest ever boxers had he lives beyond his 23 years due to a car accident

here he is against Azumah Nelson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BllfooQQcZM

Letsdoit · 30-03-2013 10:43pm

My fav boxers I've watched are Tyson, Roy jones jnr and James Toney

megadodge · 30-03-2013 11:29pm

barney4001 wrote: »

i really think Salvador Chancez would have been one of the greatest ever boxers had he lives beyond his 23 years due to a car accident

here he is against Azumah Nelson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BllfooQQcZM

I absolutely love that fight.

Without doubt one of the bravest, most awe-inspiring performances from an unknown 'no-hoper' I've ever seen.

I'm still surprised that two judges had Sanchez ahead at the end of the 14th. Nelson obviously knew this and that's why he came out so kamikaze in the last which was the reason it ended up being stopped. I thought Sanchez needed the KO in the last, which he got, but was helped by IMO the wrong scoring leaving Nelson with no option but to go for it.

Littlehorny · 30-03-2013 11:47pm

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Ali
3. Sugar Ray Leonard

My favourites- Hagler, Chavez, Holyfield, Marquez and McCullough.

Littlehorny · 30-03-2013 11:53pm

walshb wrote: »

1. Ali.
2. SRR
3. Duran

Top 3 favourite:

Toney
SRL
Ali

Have read alot of your quotes on boards walshb and i thought Tyson was your fav fighter

Worztron · 31-03-2013 9:14am

barney4001 wrote: »

i really think Salvador Chancez would have been one of the greatest ever boxers had he lives beyond his 23 years due to a car accident

here he is against Azumah Nelson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BllfooQQcZM

+1
Yes, Salvador Sánchez's record was incredible.

walshb · 31-03-2013 10:47am

Littlehorny wrote: »

Have read alot of your quotes on boards walshb and i thought Tyson was your fav fighter

One of them, yes! Toney is number 1. Tyson makes my top 10. I have him rated 2nd best HW ever at peak.

FTA69 · 31-03-2013 2:40pm

Toney is my favourite fighter of all time; one of the best defences in boxing, a granite chin and utterly fearless. We often hear arguments about who ducked who, but Toney never ducked anyone and gave us some fantastic fights.

Also a hilarious character:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW3zWZ12ZZY

T-K-O · 31-03-2013 7:05pm

My favourites

Dela Hoya
Morales
Pac / Tyson

walshb · 31-03-2013 7:11pm

FTA69 wrote: »

Toney is my favourite fighter of all time; one of the best defences in boxing, a granite chin and utterly fearless. We often hear arguments about who ducked who, but Toney never ducked anyone and gave us some fantastic fights.

Also a hilarious character:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW3zWZ12ZZY

The main reason I like him as a fighter, apart from his innate and effortless talent, is his fearless attitude. He feared nobody. I still maintain that of the all the fighters in history, he would be the most difficult of all to get a TKO/KO against. He was so utterly relaxed and sure and confident in the ring.

FTA69 · 31-03-2013 8:47pm

"Chris Byyyyyyyyyyrd!!! I see you creepin dog! Come on down! I beat yo ass right now!"

What a comedy like, it's a travesty he hasn't been given a pundit job.

templer27 · 01-04-2013 10:45am

walshb wrote: »

The main reason I like him as a fighter, apart from his innate and effortless talent, is his fearless attitude. He feared nobody. I still maintain that of the all the fighters in history, he would be the most difficult of all to get a TKO/KO against. He was so utterly relaxed and sure and confident in the ring.

What a brilliant boxer, really the man feared no one at all. Ah walshb describes him perfectly.

gene_tunney · 01-04-2013 1:13pm

Toney was a warrior, but his gung-ho attitude and unwillingness to get into shape resulted in numerous beatings that should have been avoided. He's fighting again on April 28, his licence should really be revoked. He is pretty badly brain damaged already.

walshb · 01-04-2013 4:01pm

gene_tunney wrote: »

Toney was a warrior, but his gung-ho attitude and unwillingness to get into shape resulted in numerous beatings that should have been avoided. He's fighting again on April 28, his licence should really be revoked. He is pretty badly brain damaged already.

Apart from Lebedev I can't think of a beating he took. And vs. Lebedev he was a shell. That's the thing with Toney, he'd be so competitive even with very little preparation. Born fighter. It's so much raw skill.

Worztron · 01-04-2013 7:43pm

walshb wrote: »

Apart from Lebedev I can't think of a beating he took. And vs. Lebedev he was a shell. That's the thing with Toney, he'd be so competitive even with very little preparation. Born fighter. It's so much raw skill.

Many think Dave Tiberi beat James Toney in 1992. The decision was dodgy.

walshb · 01-04-2013 9:04pm

Worztron wrote: »

Many think Dave Tiberi beat James Toney in 1992. The decision was dodgy.

Not sure what this has to do with taking a beating? Unless by beating we mean a loss? Jones beat Toney, and it was a clear win, but he didn't beat Toney up. Mike McCallum to some beat Toney, again, didn't beat him up.

MickFleetwood · 03-04-2013 12:23am

Of all time?

1: Greb
2: Robinson
3: Langford

Talk of Ali and SRL in the top three is incorrect.

Worztron · 03-04-2013 7:36am

MickFleetwood wrote: »

Of all time?

1: Greb
2: Robinson
3: Langford

Talk of Ali and SRL in the top three is incorrect.

Yes, of all time.

Harry Greb was a fine boxer who died far too young.

MickFleetwood · 03-04-2013 1:28pm

Worztron wrote: »

Yes, of all time.

Harry Greb was a fine boxer who died far too young.

A fine boxer is an understatement my friend! I think he was far and away the greatest boxer of all time.

My favorite three?

1: Alexis Arguello
2: Roberto Duran
3: Rocky Marciano

walshb · 03-04-2013 1:35pm

MickFleetwood wrote: »

Talk of Ali and SRL in the top three is incorrect.

What's incorrect about it?

MickFleetwood · 03-04-2013 2:07pm

walshb wrote: »

What's incorrect about it?

Well, if we're talking greatness (of course anybody could be in your top three favorite boxers) then there are a few fighters who are greater than Ali and even more greater than Leonard.

MickFleetwood · 03-04-2013 2:09pm

Sugar Ray Leonard isn't the greatest Sugar of all time, Ray of all time, or Leonard of all time.

walshb · 03-04-2013 2:16pm

MickFleetwood wrote: »

Well, if we're talking greatness (of course anybody could be in your top three favorite boxers) then there are a few fighters who are greater than Ali and even more greater than Leonard.

In you list, maybe! Ali being top of the list doesn't at all seem out of place. Just like Duran or SRR or Louis et al being top of the list. All great fighters.

Why is Ali top of my list? Well, to me he was the greatest HW ever, and the HW was and is the man who must meet all comers. No other division copmpares in this regard. Hence I add a little extra weight to the great HW men. So, as great as SRR was at his time he was never beating Joe Louis, for example. Or, as great as Hagler was, he was never beating Holmes or Tyson.

MickFleetwood · 03-04-2013 2:23pm

walshb wrote: »

In you list, maybe! Ali being top of the list doesn't at all seem out of place. Just like Duran or SRR or Louis et al being top of the list. All great fighters.

Why is Ali top of my list? Well, to me he was the greatest HW ever, and the HW was and is the man who must meet all comers. No other division copmpares in this regard. Hence I add a little extra weight to the great HW men. So, as great as SRR was at his time he was never beating Joe Louis, for example. Or, as great as Hagler was, he was never beating Holmes or Tyson.

So Wladimir Klitschko, to you, right now is a better fighter than Floyd Mayweather and you would rate him higher?

Dick phelan · 03-04-2013 2:24pm

1 SRR

2 Roy Jones JR

3 Muhammad Ali

walshb · 03-04-2013 2:27pm

MickFleetwood wrote: »

So Wladimir Klitschko, to you, right now is a better fighter than Floyd Mayweather and you would rate him higher?

I said I lend a little bit more weight for the heavies. I never said that I automatically pick them when doing these lists. I did have SRR (a non HW) as number 2. I would rate Floyd above Wladimir. Ali gets number 1 because he was a brilliant HW. The best I have seen. Plus, he also was a HW, meeting all comers. That's the plus bit in my reasoning! Wlad does not make my top ten HWs ever. Nor will he make my top 10 fighters ever.

MickFleetwood · 03-04-2013 2:48pm

walshb wrote: »

I said I lend a little bit more weight for the heavies. I never said that I automatically pick them when doing these lists. I did have SRR (a non HW) as number 2. I would rate Floyd above Wladimir. Ali gets number 1 because he was a brilliant HW. The best I have seen. Plus, he also was a HW, meeting all comers. That's the plus bit in my reasoning! Wlad does not make my top ten HWs ever. Nor will he make my top 10 fighters ever.

I get what you mean. But I don't really do that, it isn't my criteria. I judge fighters careers P4P, which is why Greb is the best in my opinion.

MickFleetwood · 03-04-2013 2:52pm

I will say though that Roy Jones Jr. Is probably the best filmed fighter of all time.

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