Lamping foxes with .270

LoopyLolly88

Just wondering can you legally lamp foxes with a .270??

steyrman2

Hi it all depends on your local garda if you get stopped out lamping . When you applyed for the .270 was it for deer or foxes because the can and have said it to lad i know he has a .308 out shooting foxes the were stopped at a crossroads garda were stopping for drink driving it took a while to sort out but the had to go home with it asap he has since got a .223 and put on his app to shoot large vermin ie foxes

Cass

Yes.


The reason you gave for needing the rifle is the primary reason for having it. Once you have land permission for the lands, appropriate license, etc you'll be fine. I do it with the .308. Have it for deer, but use it for foxes in the off season.

LoopyLolly88

Thanks for the replys. I usualy shoot deer with it but want to shoot foxes in off season,have permission to shoot foxes on the land theres no deer on the land. Have had another hunter tell me i cant lamp foxes with a .270 as its too powerfull & if i get caught with the .270 out at night i could be done.

Cass

LoopyLolly88 wrote: »

Have had another hunter tell me i cant lamp foxes with a .270 as its too powerfull & if i get caught with the .270 out at night i could be done.

He is wrong.

I use a .308, and have used the 30-06 on both deer, and foxes in the off season. Foxes are vermin, and there is no minimum caliber or maximum caliber for them.

deerhunter1

Cass wrote: »

He is wrong.

I use a .308, and have used the 30-06 on both deer, and foxes in the off season. Foxes are vermin, and there is no minimum caliber or maximum caliber for them.

correct

deerhunter1

LoopyLolly88 wrote: »

Just wondering can you legally lamp foxes with a .270??

I would normally use a lamp:rolleyes::P:D

LoopyLolly88

Cass wrote: »

He is wrong.

I use a .308, and have used the 30-06 on both deer, and foxes in the off season. Foxes are vermin, and there is no minimum caliber or maximum caliber for them.

Great thanks kinda knew it but wasnt sure since he said it putting doubt in.me head!!

meathstevie

The situation described above applies to the UK. In Ireland it's rather more straightforward; if you have a deer caliber gun licenced to you and permission for the land you're hunting on there's no rule to say that you can't lawfully shoot foxes.

steyrman2

Hi why not give your FO a ring and listen to what the have to say i think it would be a safe bet tbh

Cass

FO (firearm officers) do not know everything about the law, and when in doubt will air on the side of caution. Why? Because they are not firearms officers as the position is self titled one only, and does not actually exist. I have heard FO's saying;

• A .308 as it's a military round so cannot be licensed
• That .22lr semi auto rifle are illegal
• You cannot license anything over .22lr for your first gun
• You must wait 6+ months between applications
• You must be over 18 to have a gun license
• Two people cannot license the same gun
• I even seen one asking how a lad got a licence for such a large caliber rifle when looking at a single barrel shotgun.

@OP. You are fine, but if you want to be 100% then ring the FPU (Firearms Policy Unit). They are there to help both the Gardaí and firearms owners in the implementation of the firearms laws/Acts. Sound guys to deal with.

steyrman2

Cass wrote: »

FO (firearm officers) do not know everything about the law, and when in doubt will air on the side of caution. Why? Because they are not firearms officers as the position is self titled one only, and does not actually exist. I have heard FO's saying;

• A .308 as it's a military round so cannot be licensed
• That .22lr semi auto rifle are illegal
• You cannot license anything over .22lr for your first gun
• You must wait 6+ months between applications
• You must be over 18 to have a gun license
• Two people cannot license the same gun
• I even seen one asking how a lad got a licence for such a large caliber rifle when looking at a single barrel shotgun.

@OP. You are fine, but if you want to be 100% then ring the FPU (Firearms Policy Unit). They are there to help both the Gardaí and firearms owners in the implementation of the firearms laws/Acts. Sound guys to deal with.

CASS you or me are not in a position to say you are fine his local FO would be the person who granted them there licence in the first place . Ringing the FPU will do no harm but i would think the will say concact your local FO for the price of 2 phone calls i know who i would ring first

Cass

steyrman2 wrote: »

CASS you or me are not in a position to say you are fine his local FO would be the person who granted them there licence in the first place .

FO does not grant a license, the Super/Chief Super does.

Ringing the FPU will do no harm but i would think the will say concact your local FO for the price of 2 phone calls i know who i would ring first

Ring who he likes, but i would not listen to any FO when it comes to matters of law. As said it's a "made up" position/title. So they do not know everything about firearms, firearm laws, etc. Added to that the number of "FO"' that are against firearms/firearm ownership, simply do not want to be doing the job, or do not know the law.


When getting a gun you put down the primary reason you want/need the gun for. Once you use it for such a purpose then the application is not fraudulent. However this does not prohibit you from using it for a secondary purpose. If it did then everyone would need multiple guns for every different aspect of their shooting lives. A .308 for targets, one for deer. A .22lr for targets, and one for rabbits. A .223 for foxes. A shotgun for clays, and another for game. That's six guns when 3 will do the same jobs. Other than being able to afford that many guns how happy would the Gardaí be having double/triple the number of guns out there, or how happy would people be knowing they had to buy 2 or 3 of the same gun for different purposes when one will suffice?

Sparks

steyrman2 wrote: »

CASS you or me are not in a position to say you are fine his local FO would be the person who granted them there licence in the first place . Ringing the FPU will do no harm but i would think the will say concact your local FO for the price of 2 phone calls i know who i would ring first

The Gardai themselves in public have officially stated not to take the FO's word for something if we think they're incorrect (that was a Superintendent saying that btw)...

steyrman2

Cass wrote: »

FO does not grant a license, the Super/Chief Super does.

Ring who he likes, but i would not listen to any FO when it comes to matters of law. As said it's a "made up" position/title. So they do not know everything about firearms, firearm laws, etc. Added to that the number of "FO"' that are against firearms/firearm ownership, simply do not want to be doing the job, or do not know the law.


When getting a gun you put down the primary reason you want/need the gun for. Once you use it for such a purpose then the application is not fraudulent. However this does not prohibit you from using it for a secondary purpose. If it did then everyone would need multiple guns for every different aspect of their shooting lives. A .308 for targets, one for deer. A .22lr for targets, and one for rabbits. A .223 for foxes. A shotgun for clays, and another for game. That's six guns when 3 will do the same jobs. Other than being able to afford that many guns how happy would the Gardaí be having double/triple the number of guns out there, or how happy would people be knowing they had to buy 2 or 3 of the same gun for different purposes when one will suffice?

On the first part of your reply it seems you have no regard for FO that are doing the job the are given more than likely not by choice never the less its there job

Most of the lads i know and shoot with have multiple firearms and when applyed for gave the reason for owning or wanting that firearm
one lad has two .308 rifles one for f-class and the other for stalking when asked why he needed two of them he explained about the weight difference and the idea of carrying a 8.25 kg setup stalking was not practical he has no problem the same lad has 5 rifles in total along with 3 shotguns no problems as for my self i have my own setups that i need to shoot all my interest
The other side of the coin things are lads dont have the funds for multiple rifles and scopes .

As for the last part of your post that a load of dung
what your saying is one shotgun will do you for all your needs if you buy a normal shotgun like a lamber just to point out nothing wrong with a lamber and decide you want to shoot olympic trench or balltrap or skeet or even dtl that this gun will do you you have shot enough clays over your time as i have how many time have you seen new lads arrive on shooting lines with game guns if the like the sport anyone would give them a bit of advice and first thing would get a gun to suit the discipline as is going pheasant shooting with a trap gun all day
Or if you had a f-class rig that you would be happy going stalking all morning humping that 18 odd lbs around get real will you

Sparks

steyrman2 wrote: »

On the first part of your reply it seems you have no regard for FO that are doing the job the are given more than likely not by choice never the less its there job

Nobody said that, but you've put your finger on the problem - they're given the job. They're not given the training because no Minister has yet funded them properly. So you get lads trying their best, making a mess of it on occasion, and that's why we've been told by the Gardai to just politely disregard any obvious mistakes and let the Superintendents decide.

steyrman2

Sparks wrote: »

Nobody said that, but you've put your finger on the problem - they're given the job. They're not given the training because no Minister has yet funded them properly. So you get lads trying their best, making a mess of it on occasion, and that's why we've been told by the Gardai to just politely disregard any obvious mistakes and let the Superintendents decide.

I have my own firearms since 1984 and never had much trouble changing them the main thing was to get them in the station but since the new system came it its being a nightmare i was use to going down with the paper work and getting the new one wrote in and the stamp and on my way.What has happened the have taken it away from the local garda and now everything has to go through the mill i have had new licence quicker than a substitute

Cass

steyrman2 wrote: »

On the first part of your reply it seems you have no regard for FO that are doing the job the are given more than likely not by choice never the less its there job

You said "no regard" not i. I said they are not the last word on firearm matters. Not their fault. As you said yourself, they are in the position in most occasions due to being placed there. So they are in a job they don't fully understand, doing work they don't want to be, and you say to rely on them. Cop on. That is what the FPU is for. Set up, and dedicated for just such a purpose.

Most of the lads i know and shoot with have multiple firearms and when applyed for gave the reason for owning or wanting that firearm
one lad has two .308 rifles one for f-class and the other for stalking when asked why he needed two of them he explained about the weight difference and the idea of carrying a 8.25 kg setup stalking was not practical he has no problem the same lad has 5 rifles in total along with 3 shotguns no problems as for my self i have my own setups that i need to shoot all my interest
The other side of the coin things are lads dont have the funds for multiple rifles and scopes .

You realise you have just agreed with my point above. It's grand for the lads that can, and is not right, fair or legal for the lads that cannot. Hence why a lot of lads have a dual purpose gun.

As for the last part of your post that a load of dung
what your saying is one shotgun will do you for all your needs if you buy a normal shotgun like a lamber just to point out nothing wrong with a lamber and decide you want to shoot olympic trench or balltrap or skeet or even dtl that this gun will do you you have shot enough clays over your time as i have

You mentioned Lanber, not i, then politely tried to say sorry to everyone that owns one for calling it a piece of crap. How about a Beretta, Browning, Perazzi? If i had one of them for clays, and used it for hunting would that be okay? I never mentioned budget of the gun just that some use the one gun for dual purposes. My point, as is the point of this thread, is can you use one gun for dual purposes. Not what make is best suited for certain purposes.

how many time have you seen new lads arrive on shooting lines with game guns if the like the sport anyone would give them a bit of advice and first thing would get a gun to suit the discipline as is going pheasant shooting with a trap gun all day

So you cannot use a trap gun for hunting or vice versa? At all? Is it that it's not legal?

Or if you had a f-class rig that you would be happy going stalking all morning. humping that 18 odd lbs around get real will you

Again is it that it's not comfortable/practical or not legal?
In F-Class lads are told to try the sport with what they have. If they like it, and can afford a full rig later then buy one. If not then stick with the gun they are using. Most lads do this as it's their hunting rig they are shooting with. So are we to tell them "Sorry lads you got that rifle for hunting not target shooting. You cannot target shoot with it."

You are focusing on makes of guns, and uses they would not be common with/for. I am discussing the legalities of using the one gun for more than it's primary purpose. So please answer the question.


Are you saying you cannot use a firearm you got for one purpose (regardless of make, model, price, etc.) for another?

steyrman2

Cass wrote: »

You said "no regard" not i. I said they are not the last word on firearm matters. Not their fault. As you said yourself, they are in the position in most occasions due to being placed there. So they are in a job they don't fully understand, doing work they don't want to be, and you say to rely on them. Cop on. That is what the FPU is for. Set up, and dedicated for just such a purpose.


You realise you have just agreed with my point above. It's grand for the lads that can, and is not right, fair or legal for the lads that cannot. Hence why a lot of lads have a dual purpose gun.

You mentioned Lanber, not i, then politely tried to say sorry to everyone that owns one for calling it a piece of crap. How about a Beretta, Browning, Perazzi? If i had one of them for clays, and used it for hunting would that be okay? I never mentioned budget of the gun just that some use the one gun for dual purposes. My point, as is the point of this thread, is can you use one gun for dual purposes. Not what make is best suited for certain purposes.

So you cannot use a trap gun for hunting or vice versa? At all? Is it that it's not legal?

Again is it that it's not comfortable/practical or not legal?
In F-Class lads are told to try the sport with what they have. If they like it, and can afford a full rig later then buy one. If not then stick with the gun they are using. Most lads do this as it's their hunting rig they are shooting with. So are we to tell them "Sorry lads you got that rifle for hunting not target shooting. You cannot target shoot with it."

You are focusing on makes of guns, and uses they would not be common with/for. I am discussing the legalities of using the one gun for more than it's primary purpose. So please answer the question.


Are you saying you cannot use a firearm you got for one purpose (regardless of make, model, price, etc.) for another?

You can nit pick through my post and twist it to suit your self i never mention lanber being a piece of crap i said it was a normal gun no more about it but you said it was crap i do all my rough shooting with a 300 euro shotgun but im lucky to have a couple of better guns for clay shooting my choice also you can use any of the above shotguns for game shooting but if you put in long days rough shooting there are better shotguns out there to suit as is the same for clay shooting

when i started to shoot i shot foxes and game with my shotgun along with going to small flapper shoots when i could afford it and have done so for 32 years times were good to me and i built up my firearms when i could i got the right gun for the job i wanted to do imo and still do

As for answering your question on legalities of firearm use most lads when the applyed for a firearm licence for deer hunting just tick the hunting box and give a copy of there hunting licence but there other boxes to be ticked i ticked all three boxes and put in a separate page what i wanted to do with it this bit is from fca 1
4.2 - Reason why this Type of Firearm is required.
This firearm will be used for: (Tick √ appropriate box(es)) (M)
Hunting Target shooting at Authorised Range Other (Specify, e.g. Clay Pigeon, Vermin Control, etc)
Please explain, on a Separate Sheet, why this specific type of firearm is required.
now this section is straight forward what each person uses there firearm for is up to them but you are the one person that harps on about the law and dos and donts . I do shoot the odd fox with my deer caliber but i know if i was stopped or asked a question why i am using it the can check back on my fca1 its stated with paper work to back it up .I have often stayed late on private ground to help a land owner out with there fox problem and if i have shot a deer there is a good chance of shooting a fox on the gralloch once its dark

Cass

I did not nit pick. I quoted what you said and responded to it. Even the ramblings that were not in keeping with the thread.

So all the other crap aside you are now saying that you can use a gun for dual purposes?

steyrman2

Ok if you quoted what i said were in it did i say lanber were crap ???????

As for using guns for dual purpose that is a up to each person to make up there own mind on what the want to do . If i decide to use my stalking rig for foxing or target work on paper i am covered because i stated it when i applyed for the licence .
The question was asked from loopylolly88 about shooting foxes with a .270 you have given your view and i have given mine and there just views its up to them to decide what is the best road to go but as i said two phone calls will sort it out and i am interested to here what the reply is

Cass

So - Yes you can.

Thanks.

LoopyLolly88

Thanks again will look abit further in to it. Oh im not a he...im a she lol

TriggerPL

LoopyLolly88 wrote: »

Thanks again will look abit further in to it. Oh im not a he...im a she lol

In that case are u single , were all looking for a woman with a .270 :-)