Palestinian child in gun crosshair photo

Temaz

Absolutely disgusting.

A picture of what appears to be the back of a Palestinian boy's head in the crosshairs of a sniper rifle has been posted on an Instagram account belonging to an Israeli soldier.

The image, believed to have been taken in an Arab village in the West Bank, was uploaded to a page registered to Israel Defence Forces (IDF) soldier Mor Ostrovski.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/02/18/mor-ostrovski-investigated-israel-defence-force-palestinian-child-rifle-crosshairs-instagram-_n_2710429.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Michael Weston

Looks like he is gonna miss though..

Sky King

I like the way instagram effect makes it look like 'Nam.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

it's israel.. is anybody surprised?

The Barefoot Pizza Thief

Could just be an out of context screencap of some video footage. Both sides are not shy about bending the truth for propaganda sake.

EoghanIRL

Michael Weston wrote: »

Looks like he is gonna miss though..

What I was thinking

hames

Whatever you think about Israel's or Palestine's right to exist, that is entirely vile.

hedzball

Looks like a miss to me...







'hdz

BASHIR

Paints a disturbing picture of the mindset of that particular soldier. Even if its not real its still showing how little they value the life of a child just because they are a Palestinian. Horrible.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

BASHIR wrote: »

Paints a disturbing picture of the mindset of that particular soldier. Even if its not real its still showing how little they value the life of a child just because they are a Palestinian. Horrible.

I agree taking the photo is tasteless. However, it's fairly common for a soldier to use the scope of his/her weapon to scan the area ahead of them for various reasons. One of which is checking if people are armed or not.....irrespective of gender or age.

We don't know the context. It may have 2 sides:

• The soldier is an asshole who thought it would be funny.
• Part of the soldiers brief was to find "legitimate targets" and take photograpic evidence and this was an "unimportant" photo.

If it's the former, then he is a sick fcuk.

hames

Praetorian Saighdiuir wrote: »

[*]Part of the soldiers brief was to find "legitimate targets" and take photograpic evidence and this was an "unimportant" photo.

Which he then uploaded onto Instagram.

Are the Israeli government identifying targets via Instagram?

Cookie_Monster

meaningless unless he was actually shot. Sure my car was pointed at 2 dozen pedestrians earlier today albeit briefly. Amazingly they all lived...

My name is URL

At least they're treating it with the severity it deserves... which is a turn up in the books. Probably wouldn't have caused as big a stir if he had pulled the trigger. They could just say he was throwing stones then.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

hames wrote: »

Which he then uploaded onto Instagram.

Are the Israeli government identifying targets via Instagram?

Yes of course they are. :rolleyes:

As I stated, it may have been an unimportant photo the soldier kept and tastelessly uploaded.

As also stated, we dont know the context. I am merely saying that there are legitimate reasons for that type of photo to be taken that way.

Micky Dolenz

And the propaganda machine rolls on.

GLaDOS

Maybe the internet has made me a big ole cynic, but it'd be easy as hell to fabricate that photo.

BASHIR

Praetorian Saighdiuir wrote: »

I agree taking the photo is tasteless. However, it's fairly common for a soldier to use the scope of his/her weapon to scan the area ahead of them for various reasons. One of which is checking if people are armed or not.....irrespective of gender or age.

We don't know the context. It may have 2 sides:

• The soldier is an asshole who thought it would be funny.
• Part of the soldiers brief was to find "legitimate targets" and take photograpic evidence and this was an "unimportant" photo.

If it's the former, then he is a sick fcuk.

The soldier used the excuse that he found the photo on the internet.
I'm going to go with asshole one tbf. There would be no need for the Israeli army to have a photo like this. Nor would or should a professional doing his her job have a reason to take a photo of a child down the cross hairs of a weapon.

BASHIR

Praetorian Saighdiuir wrote: »

Yes of course they are. :rolleyes:

As I stated, it may have been an unimportant photo the soldier kept and tastelessly uploaded.

As also stated, we dont know the context. I am merely saying that there are legitimate reasons for that type of photo to be taken that way.

Not having a go just genuinely curious as to what the legitimate reasons are?

hames

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Maybe the internet has made me a big ole cynic, but it'd be easy as hell to fabricate that photo.

Yeah but the IDF don't seem to think it's fake.

Nino Brown

Social media Is hilarious, kids get shot all over the world everyday, and most people don't give a toss because they're too busy in their own little worlds. But put a picture of a gun pointing at kid on social media and watch people get their backs up for 24hrs or so.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

BASHIR wrote: »

The soldier used the excuse that he found the photo on the internet.
I'm going to go with asshole one tbf. There would be no need for the Israeli army to have a photo like this. Nor would or should a professional doing his her job have a reason to take a photo of a child down the cross hairs of a weapon.

I agree, it's not right.

refusetolose

Michael Weston wrote: »

Looks like he is gonna miss though..

na,just using the wind a bit

Praetorian Saighdiuir

BASHIR wrote: »

Not having a go just genuinely curious as to what the legitimate reasons are?

My reasons for such a scenario to happen may not apply to this photo. There are two reasons why someone would take a photo through a scope.

• Intel gathering - self explanitory.
• Target selection - Making sure you have the right guy for the right reasons. The photo is the proof.

In regards to a soldier taking a photo through a scope of the back of a kids head for fun. Is shocking and deplorable.

GLaDOS

hames wrote: »

Yeah but the IDF don't seem to think it's fake.

That's a valid point

Yamanoto

BASHIR wrote: »

Nor would or should a professional doing his her job have a reason to take a photo of a child down the cross hairs of a weapon.

A professional soldier, no.

A war photographer would be lauded for capturing such an image

7 7 12

BASHIR wrote: »

Paints a disturbing picture of the mindset of that particular soldier. Even if its not real its still showing how little they value the life of a child just because they are a Palestinian. Horrible.

There's no such thing as a Palestinian child, he's either Israeli, Egyptian or Jordanian. Show some respect ffs

Cookie_Monster

7 7 12 wrote: »

There's no such thing as a Palestinian child, he's either Israeli, Egyptian or Jordanian. Show some respect ffs

:rolleyes:

7 7 12

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

:rolleyes:

You can roll your eyes all you want but there are strict conditions defining what a state or country actually is and Palestine does not currently meet all of them. Too lazy to source info but a quick google should sort you out

BASHIR

Yamanoto wrote: »

A professional soldier, no.

A war photographer would be lauded for capturing such an image

I agree, but this was on an Israeli soldiers instagram, the fact that he thought it was cool funny whatever shows his regard for the person in the crosshairs.
Unprofessional and horrible imo

hatrickpatrick

7 7 12 wrote: »

You can roll your eyes all you want but there are strict conditions defining what a state or country actually is and Palestine does not currently meet all of them. Too lazy to source info but a quick google should sort you out

Jews didn't have a state until 1948, are you going to claim they didn't exist at all? :rolleyes:

hatrickpatrick

BASHIR wrote: »

I agree, but this was on an Israeli soldiers instagram, the fact that he thought it was cool funny whatever shows his regard for the person in the crosshairs.
Unprofessional and horrible imo

That's the key thing and people with this mindset have absolutely no place in the army, or the police force, or in fact any position in which they have any level of general authority over civilians.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

7 7 12 wrote: »

You can roll your eyes all you want but there are strict conditions defining what a state or country actually is and Palestine does not currently meet all of them. Too lazy to source info but a quick google should sort you out

Jesus man, he was just referencing the article. Maybe reporters should look for passports before they run a story.

It is immaterial to the thread. Its still a soldier taking a photo of the back of a kids head......deplorable irregarless of nationality.

BASHIR

7 7 12 wrote: »

You can roll your eyes all you want but there are strict conditions defining what a state or country actually is and Palestine does not currently meet all of them. Too lazy to source info but a quick google should sort you out

Fine then child then. Doesn't matter what or where they are from. its a scummy thing to do, do you agree with that?

7 7 12

BASHIR wrote: »

Fine then child then. Doesn't matter what or where they are from. its a scummy thing to do, do you agree with that?

Yes, why are people bringing the Palestine situation into it. Cross hair on an Irish child would be just as deplorable

Crooked Jack

I wonder what unspeakable horror israel will have to eventually inflict on palestine for people to stop defending it. gas chambers is my guess.

hatrickpatrick

7 7 12 wrote: »

Yes, why are people bringing the Palestine situation into it. Cross hair on an Irish child would be just as deplorable

Doesn't have to be a kid even, IMO. Glorifying this kind of image is sending the message that you think it's cool to target people and kill them, and anyone with that attitude is too dangerous to be allowed into the military.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

7 7 12 wrote: »

Yes, why are people bringing the Palestine situation into it. Cross hair on an Irish child would be just as deplorable

Did you read the article or even the snippet in the opening post?

Busted Flat.

7 7 12 wrote: »

There's no such thing as a Palestinian child, he's either Israeli, Egyptian or Jordanian. Show some respect ffs

Get a life. You have not yet come to terms of world opinion of the pariah state.
Hitler thought he was invincible. Remember the story of the big wheel, it keeps turning, my DA said that to me 50 years ago. Do evil to one, it will come back to haunt you or your siblings.

hatrickpatrick

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I wonder what unspeakable horror israel will have to eventually inflict on palestine for people to stop defending it. gas chambers is my guess.

People would still defend them as "the only democracy in the Middle East" :rolleyes:

stoneill

I prefer these Israeli army pics:

https://www.google.ie/search?q=women+in+israeli+army&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=XcYiUYDRIYiIhQfQ34HwCw&sqi=2&ved=0CFEQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=939

lapsed

Our culture and their culture are two different things. An Arab child is regarded as an adult at 12 years old and Israelis deal with that reality. But this is probably just macho stuff which you'll find in almost every army in the world.

Fox_In_Socks

Nino Brown wrote: »

Social media Is hilarious, kids get shot all over the world everyday, and most people don't give a toss because they're too busy in their own little worlds. But put a picture of a gun pointing at kid on social media and watch people get their backs up for 24hrs or so.

People are stupid.

And yes, I include myself in that statement.;)

Son Of A Vidic

Maybe this is progress after all, so I'll settle for the IDF taking photographs of palestinian civilians. As opposed to their usual practice of blowing them away.

Busted Flat.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

People would still defend them as "the only democracy in the Middle East" :rolleyes:

Democracy, what age are you. Check out democracy in the pariah state. South Africa under apartheid was more democratic than that little evil statlet.

lapsed

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

People would still defend them as "the only democracy in the Middle East" :rolleyes:

Maybe they should try the Syrian model. Rolls eyes. Or the Lebanese model where they can't move from one neighbourhood to the next without running through a sniper alley. Or the Saudi Arabian one. Rolls eyes.

Busted Flat.

Israeli democracy the only place it exists in the mid east.https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZuOK1mr-SfvQlUr6zPR5aGL0DUr9OmadZ8J56iSls9DxsgxLO
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https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQI4Rnvpe9AORm6R9SpEid6_D-wrMQxPD0ASgURXqtESFkIu9YMRA

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3vbBDgBz99UvdIi0bPcAyXSt9BUJ8x-V0w9t2vuXRZwf3gg_g4Q
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Be proud be an Israeli, we can slaughter where we like.

Nodin

7 7 12 wrote: »

You can roll your eyes all you want but there are strict conditions defining what a state or country actually is and Palestine does not currently meet all of them. Too lazy to source info but a quick google should sort you out

Theres no Kurdish state either, yet funny enough....

hatrickpatrick

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Democracy, what age are you. Check out democracy in the pariah state. South Africa under apartheid was more democratic than that little evil statlet.

It was sarcasm. There's nothing remotely democratic about Israel in my view.

lapsed wrote: »

Maybe they should try the Syrian model. Rolls eyes. Or the Lebanese model where they can't move from one neighbourhood to the next without running through a sniper alley. Or the Saudi Arabian one. Rolls eyes.

Ah, this argument again - excusing crimes committed by one party because you can cite examples of other parties who have committed worse crimes.
I guess if I'm ever on trial for murder I can get an acquittal by pointing out that I only killed one person while there are countless examples throughout history of people who killed more than one at a time, ergo I'm excused? :pac:

lapsed

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It was sarcasm. There's nothing remotely democratic about Israel in my view.



Ah, this argument again - excusing crimes committed by one party because you can cite examples of other parties who have committed worse crimes.
I guess if I'm ever on trial for murder I can get an acquittal by pointing out that I only killed one person while there are countless examples throughout history of people who killed more than one at a time, ergo I'm excused? :pac:

It wasn't " crimes " that was being noted...it was whether or not Israel is a democracy....which it obviously is as they've just had elections; elections which didn't drive the government further to the right as all the anti-Israel pundits forecast. There's a nasty Irish ambivalence towards terrorism , preferring to call it " resistance " which was in play for the past 30 or 40 years at home and which is extrapolated to the Middle East. Easy solution; the Palestinians exchange politics for violence and there'll be no dead or targeted children.

seven_eleven

So far I have seen this picture being labelled as being from Syria, and Israel.

Fúck off with this bullshít propaganda and link a valid source. Sickening how everybody immediately jumps on the Israel hating bandwagon.

intellectual dosser

I'm not Israel's biggest fan but I think people should let this go. Uploading the photo to a personal account in in bad taste, but you cannot hold Israel to blame.